what the hell are you trying to say, Charles. I can't make heads or tails out of your response except the part where you get really ugly and state that everybody here is better than me. I'll just let everybody here decide that for their selves if that's okay with you.
51 2015-01-15 23:09:46
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
52 2015-01-15 15:39:07
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
charles_bell wrote:
pamelablack62 wrote:charles_bell wrote:I was both writer and recipient as free and premium member of inline reviews, and I likewise with the original poster think it is strange to have the ability for a premium member to fruitlessly write one to a free member, for then not only is the free-member recipient made to suffer through cripple-ware but so is the paying premium member. Either way, the inline review encourages proofreading and not genuine substantive analysis and review, but few do, if anybody does, that here.
I agree, there should be a warning because I left a couple of reviews for non-paying authors, all inline as that is the only kind of review I do, so I was feeling frustrated to have taken my time and not hear back from the authors, especially the rougher drafts which took me a really long time. My attitude was, 'well I will never review them again if they can't/won't acknowledge my efforts,' so good to now know why.
I will no longer take the time to review non-paying members. I will also avoid leaving you my useless inline reviews should you become a paying member. Any author who publicly states ANY review is useless or worthless will never receive a review from me. I find that mentality arrogant and insulting.
I didn't say they were useless I just said that they are far more of a benefit to the reviewer than to a writer in most circumstances. What is the difference to the writer if the sum total of commentary is "Here (inline cite) you say 'she is tall' but there you say 'she is 5 foot 8'" and to say the same thing without an inline cite unless the writer has a bad memory of his own work? The reviewer is spared sometimes the bother of cut-and-paste, but again if the writer has a decent memory of his own work, that is of marginal benefit to him. I also think your attitude of stomping your foot down and declaring an edict that "if you don't play by my rules, I won't play!" is not a good attitude.
You are right, you did not directly use the word useless. What you said, in various forms and fashions was " Either way, the inline review encourages proofreading and not genuine substantive analysis and review, but few do, if anybody does, that here." The implied meaning is not only do you find inline reviews useless you find ALL reviews from this site, if not useless, at least lacking.
Thanks for the input on my attitude towards those who do not appreciate my efforts to help but I'll pass on taking etiquette advice from the fellow who just told the entire group he thinks himself above them and the time they have given to him in the form of reviews unhelpful.
53 2015-01-15 15:23:36
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
charles_bell wrote:
pamelablack62 wrote:charles_bell wrote:However, the benefit of the inline review belongs to the reviewer (premium) and not so much to the one being reviewed (free) and yet the premium will have wasted his time if the free cannot read the review or the premium has to resort to a regular review though he may not want to -- the inline review being a kind of a cheap quasi-review, except on grammar and punctuation.
I'm interested to know the benefit to the reviewer of an inline review to a free author?
The same benefit as to a premium reviewer, but he can't read his own review. It's easier to point to specific problems chronologically down through the text, and if he is not collecting points he could simply point out one or two and leave it at that, but like I said, this just leaves commentary over to merely proofreading.
My question to you was, what are the benefits to me, the reviewer, of having given my time to leave a review? How do I, as a writer, benefit from having left a review to another author? You have yet to answer that question.
I agree with you that the new format makes it much easier for me to leave an inline review however that is not the subject at hand. The subject at hand is your claim that somehow I am better served for leaving a free review than the non-paying recipient of said review. I'm asking you to support your claim with specifics and you have yet to do so.
54 2015-01-14 22:44:53
Re: A common courtesy (4 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
Linda Lee wrote:
Some of the newer members might not be aware of this...
When someone takes the time to review your work it's a common courtesy to reply in kind. Even if it's just a simple thank you, that little bit of communication lets the reviewer know that you saw and appreciate their effort.
if you fail to acknowledge a review I leave for you it will be the last I leave. It takes less than a minute to say thanks for the review. I promise it takes me much longer to leave the review Couldn't agree with you more on this point, Linda
55 2015-01-14 14:48:54
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
charles_bell wrote:
Mariana Reuter wrote:Norm:
You need to keep something under the sleeve or else nobody would be interested in becoming a premium member. What should be done is that, in a piece of work is published by a non-premium writer, inline reviews must be blocked for such piece.
However, the benefit of the inline review belongs to the reviewer (premium) and not so much to the one being reviewed (free) and yet the premium will have wasted his time if the free cannot read the review or the premium has to resort to a regular review though he may not want to -- the inline review being a kind of a cheap quasi-review, except on grammar and punctuation.
I'm interested to know the benefit to the reviewer of an inline review to a free author?
56 2015-01-14 13:14:47
Re: chapters (3 replies, posted in Literary Fiction)
Thank you, Janet. Nice to be back here. Taking me a minute to get my feet under me with the new format but I am loving some of the changes, especially the new inline review format. Saves me a ton of time.
57 2015-01-14 13:10:10
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
charles_bell wrote:
pamelablack62 wrote:when done correctly there is no better or more helpful review than the inline review. Anyone taking the time to leave a proper inline review is, for me, worth their weight in gold. Perhaps Charles Bell has neither been the recipient or author of a proper inline review.
I was both writer and recipient as free and premium member of inline reviews, and I likewise with the original poster think it is strange to have the ability for a premium member to fruitlessly write one to a free member, for then not only is the free-member recipient made to suffer through cripple-ware but so is the paying premium member. Either way, the inline review encourages proofreading and not genuine substantive analysis and review, but few do, if anybody does, that here.
I agree, there should be a warning because I left a couple of reviews for non-paying authors, all inline as that is the only kind of review I do, so I was feeling frustrated to have taken my time and not hear back from the authors, especially the rougher drafts which took me a really long time. My attitude was, 'well I will never review them again if they can't/won't acknowledge my efforts,' so good to now know why.
I will no longer take the time to review non-paying members. I will also avoid leaving you my useless inline reviews should you become a paying member. Any author who publicly states ANY review is useless or worthless will never receive a review from me. I find that mentality arrogant and insulting.
58 2015-01-14 04:21:29
Topic: chapters (3 replies, posted in Literary Fiction)
Is there no way to go back and read the earlier chapters of a body of work? I hate not starting a body of work from the beginning. I keep checking but can not find earlier chapters of the books I am trying to review.
59 2015-01-14 04:17:30
Re: A new question about groups (44 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Basic)
when done correctly there is no better or more helpful review than the inline review. Anyone taking the time to leave a proper inline review is, for me, worth their weight in gold. Perhaps Charles Bell has neither been the recipient or author of a proper inline review.
60 2015-01-07 02:52:15
Re: loving the new inline review format! (7 replies, posted in Old forums)
Hey, Vern! I'm finding the majority of folks aren't even acknowledging my reviews. That is a sure fire way to guarantee I won't leave a second review. If you can't be bothered to even acknowledge the time I took to leave a review you sure as heck won't be able to be bothered to actually return the favor IMHO. Shaking my head.
61 2015-01-06 01:16:33
Topic: loving the new inline review format! (7 replies, posted in Old forums)
I'm not good with change. I always have to tip-toe slowly up to it and live there a while before I know how I really feel. That being said, I love love, LOVE the new inline review format. Talk about making a girls job easier!!! THANK YOU SoIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
62 2015-01-02 19:16:55
Re: feeling lost and overwhelmed (7 replies, posted in Old forums)
Thanks Dirk! Thanks everyone. Slow but sure is my style so I will get it figured out, Dirk your input was most helpful, thanks so much for taking the time
63 2015-01-02 00:52:15
Topic: Back in the saddle again (3 replies, posted in Literary Fiction)
Hi, I'm Pamela Black, trying to get back into this and feeling a bit out of sorts and lost. Looking to review literary fiction books with only a few chapters posted so I can be of use.
Any suggestions?
64 2015-01-02 00:44:23
Topic: feeling lost and overwhelmed (7 replies, posted in Old forums)
Hi, I've been a member for many years, though less than active to date. I was here a few weeks ago and everything was as I remembered it came today and found everything changed and I'm having trouble figuring everything out. HELP!! Please Thanx
