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Mariana Reuter wrote:The points encourage reviews, but also, for the sake of making enough money to maintain the site, you need premium members. People are here to get their work reviewed, not to review other people's work. I know many old THBW folks will say they are here for the pleasure of learning through reviewing other people's work, but, let's be honest, our main motivation for being here is to receive comments for our work.
If Sol gives points for reviewing non-premium members, those members, whose main interest is to have their work reviewed, will publish and sit down waiting to be reviewed by some points-eager premium member, without reciprocating. Why would they, if they are getting the reviews they want for free?
In the long term, using Kenny's analogy, the economy will paralyse. There will be little motivation to become a premium member. Fewer premium members will mean fewer reviews, unit the site renders useless because it's not fulfilling its purpose.
Therefore, there must exist systems to encourage people to become premium members, which means more reviews received/given because of the existing points system for premium members.
No points for reviewing non-premium stories, no access to read the in-line reviews for non-premium writers. Not even a trial. You need to offer something that motivates free members to become premium.
Kiss
Gacela
I agree
KHippolite wrote:Sorry. I'll re-explain.
Right now, the points system mirrors a small economy. As we review, we add work into the system. We are paid for our work in points. We spend the points to expand the economy.
Free members expand the economy without work. They can effectively post infinitely without spending.
If we can collect payment from free members, it means money has been added to the system without work. You could, for example open a free account, post 99 chapters worth one point each, then review yourself and collect those 99 points on your pay account. As long as you did this in a private group, no one would be much wiser. You could then spend your points in other groups without having to review people.
Thus the rest of the economy has just lost 99 potential reviews you would have had to do to get those points
Yeah, I got what you were saying once I realized what you were actually addressing above. I was momentarily confused because the passage you quoted
KHippolite wrote:pamelablack62 wrote:I think they meant authors leaving a review on a non-paying member's work should get points for doing so. Just got their words a bit jumbled, I feel
No can do. I'd just create a free account, post copy-paste nonsense into a private free group, then join that group on my author account and collect the free points.
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Ah, you are addressing the suggestion to give premium members points for leaving reviews to the free members. Ok, up to speed now. Well, you do make a good point here. Glad I'm not SoIN having to sort this all out
I think they meant authors leaving a review on a non-paying member's work should get points for doing so. Just got their words a bit jumbled, I feel
Norm d'Plume wrote:claddaghdragon wrote:I think author's should receive points from any review given to their post. Shouldn't matter if its free or premium.
Also a great idea. That way premium members would be more inclined to read everything.
Dirk
agreed, however, if the goal is to get more paid authors here a hook would/could be join and you will get more reviews. Maybe combine premium members getting points for non paying members for that trail period where free members can access inlines so they can really feel the benefit of becoming a premium member.
I highly recommend Temple Wang's novel, Journey Through the Eyes of Zhou. It is excellent writing filled with wonderful imagery
LOL OH. (blushing) Well, is it ok to leave this one here?
Hi, denisef. I look forward to getting to know you. Can't wait until Monday!
Just curious, who will be attending? I'm excited to learn and wondered who would be making this journey towards improving our skills with me
thank you for all your hard work SoIn. You make this site a great place to learn our craft. I'm really excited about the upcoming class!
One of the features I miss from the old forums is the recommended reads. It was a good place/way to find good works and authors. So, if you've read something you found enticing, come here and let the group know.
To that end, I highly recommend Temple Wang's Journey Through the Eyes of Zhou.
It is wonderfully written, gripping, and full of incredible imagery.
William Faulkner is considered one of the best voices from the South, HOWEVER, after reading his book The Sound and the Fury, aka The Sound of the Too Damned Wordy, I could not agree. Which authors have failed to live up to their hype in your opinion and why?
One of the features I miss from the old forums is the recommended reads. It was a good place/way to find good works and authors. So, if you've read something you found enticing, come here and let the group know.
To that end, I highly recommend Temple Wang's Journey Through the Eyes of Zhou.
It is wonderfully written, gripping, and full of incredible imagery.
The problem isn't reviewers not wanting to review a piece without benefit of points. The problem is non-paying members are not able to access the inline reviews left on their works so no benefit to the author at a high price in time and effort from the reviewer, claddaghdragon
I agree with Janet, the inline should be disabled for non-paying members
I agree with dragonparadox. well written and properly punctuated. Each has their own personal style. I too tend to love the long sentences. I have had input before though, showing me how my work would be better served by breaking off an important point within the sentence to stand on its own for effect and so I try to be more mindful of those opportunities.
Janet, I've read your work, it flows very nicely
Mariana Reuter wrote:I love children's books too! I've just read The Spiderwick Chronicles and found them amazing!
Harry Potter took the world by storm, adults included.
not laughing. What we read in childhood changes us like no other reading. It helps shape the person we will one day be. I hadn't even considered the books I read as a child, but you are absolutely right, they play a direct roll in who we become.
PS I still read children's book for my own pleasure. I love them.
no, not at all. no apology necessary.
Great literature takes larger social issues and encapsulates them in a single family or character, putting a face and a name on the issue, allowing the character to take us by the hand and walk us through their story so that we see things with different eyes. Once we turn the last page we find our selves forever changed.
Gifts From the Sea has just done this for me as did The Poisonwood Bible, The Grapes of Wrath, Things Fall Apart, Cry the Beloved Country, and To Kill a Mockingbird.
Which books have challenged and changed you?
I read some reviews you have left for other writers and I have to say you do an excellent job reviewing.
njc wrote:Please! If I like Cadillacs and you think they're junk, if you drive a Lexus and I woildn't take one if you paid me, it doesn't mean that we each think the other is only worth his worthless taste in cars.
There are people like that, of course. The polite word for them is 'fanatics'. But I'm pretty sure none of us want to be that way, and just about as sure that none of us is that way.
And yet flamewars occur between good people, because we read first slants and then slights, where none was intended. And we feel the need to correct things that we would tolerate, would not even notice, were we not deeply invested in the debate--that was never meant to be a debate.
FWIW, I started in online forums in 1981. I've seen these, and yes, been guilty of them.
I'm sorry if I am irritating or offending you. I am finished with this argument. It has become an exercise in futility at this point and has turned ugly and personal so a total waste of time. Again, I apologize for the irritation.
charles_bell wrote:pamelablack62 wrote:charles_bell wrote:The same benefit as to a premium reviewer, but he can't read his own review. It's easier to point to specific problems chronologically down through the text, and if he is not collecting points he could simply point out one or two and leave it at that, but like I said, this just leaves commentary over to merely proofreading.
My question to you was, what are the benefits to me, the reviewer, of having given my time to leave a review? How do I, as a writer, benefit from having left a review to another author? You have yet to answer that question.
I agree with you that the new format makes it much easier for me to leave an inline review however that is not the subject at hand. The subject at hand is your claim that somehow I am better served for leaving a free review than the non-paying recipient of said review. I'm asking you to support your claim with specifics and you have yet to do so.
Which is the question? Benefit of "inline review" or "review" to the reviewer? I gave (my) answer (above) to the former which is what you asked and not to the latter which you are now asking and I won't now answer because it actually has nothing to do with the subject. I have answered that question in a thread which was erased with my opinion on reviewing via the point system generally.
You mischaracterize my claim which is that the benefits for the inline reviewer are greater than the recipient of a inline review which is also in the above reply and with which you agree when you say: "I agree with you that the new format makes it much easier for me to leave an inline review," and you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. My claim includes the fact that the premium reviewer is crippled from leaving an easier-for-him inline review to a free member, and how does that benefit a paying reviewer?
are you drunk?
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