Topic: Daughter of Aithne- Karin/ Rita's Thread

Here's your spot to post or discuss your book.  I had a couple other thoughts after reading your first chapter but I was at work and a patient came in.  Had to cut the comments short because of that.  I'll get back to you when the shift permits.

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Hooray! My own thread.
Amy, I really appreciated your very detailed review of the prologue. Already incorporated some of your edits & suggestions this afternoon. (Normally I'm not that efficient, but had some unexpected time on my hands...) I'll definitely look forward to any additional edits you have.

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The biggest thought I had is that I had a LOT of trouble remembering the names of the maga.  They all end in A.  They all have similar syllables.  One starts with G, and I think one starts with S.  Since you want to introduce them in the first chapter, make the snake-shape shifter the primary focus, emphasize her name from the beginning (instead of separating the snake/ maga as if they are separate personalities), and use nicknames for the other two maga.  (Short and monosyllables of possible) to encourage retention.   

I realize this is your third book, so this may not be possible.  However, if you can't make the characters easier to retain, then consider having the snake maga rescue the princess without backup.  That way, the other characters can be introduced in different chapters.

Re: Daughter of Aithne- Karin/ Rita's Thread

Good points, Amy. I've tried to address this in the current draft posted this morning. The maga's names are: Ghemena, Nicola, and Ireny. The princess is Eliasara.  "Nicola" replaces "Giana", which I have thought for a long time is much too similar to Ghemena.

Ghemena and Eliasara are characters established in the previous book, so for returning readers they'll only have 2 new names to keep track of. I do maintain (or try to maintain) a strong pov inside Ghemena, so hopefully that will help as well.

Really appreciate your feedback.

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I guess I should add that I can't really have Ghemena do this alone, as it would violate the culture of the magas and strain (perhaps even violate) the limits of their magical system. Magas are social creatures; they run and work in packs whenever possible.

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Here's a thought.  Consider having the first chapter ending with the sound of rubble being moved, Eliasara trying to go down the stairs but realizing they are blocked by both stone and guards, and Ghemena realizing that she's blown the advantage of silence.  That way, your characters are at risk, the tension is very much present, and the other two maga haven't been introduced yet.  (simplifies the character list)

In my opinion, this makes the danger more personal than a successful escape.  Your present hook (that Eliasara is the one who will save the world) is a distant threat and doesn't apply to the present. 

A

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Oh, let me know what you think about the newest review here.  I'm terrible at finding the comments after-the-fact.  Still haven't found a way to reliably find what your impression was.

A

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I looked for another chapter to review and there are only 2.  Do you have a third chapter completed that you can throw onto the web so I can pay you back for that wonderful review?  Let me know.

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Hi Amy! Your reviews are really helpful, especially since you haven't read the first 2 books. You help me keep track of what needs to be explained for the newcomer. I am a little ornery when it comes to receiving reviews; my first reaction is often to argue almost every point. But the arguments are more about me working through the logic of what I want to do & how best to do it, then any real criticism of the review itself. I always find a way to change what I'm doing and (hopefully) make it better, based on what the reviewers flag. So, I don't think it really matters if you see my comments on your comments. I worked up some new edits on Ch 2 based on your feedback, and posted those today.

I haven't put up chapter 3 yet, but should in another day or so. I will probably be posting once a week from here to the end of the year; more often once we get into January/February.  I'm so glad you found my feedback useful. I'm looking forward to reading more of your work.

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So you know, I don't consider my reviews to be law.  They're just suggestions from an outside POV.  You could trash the whole thing if you wanted.  I wouldn't mind.  My learning process is doing the review itself.  Seeing my own weakness in someone else's work...that sort of thing. 

Don't be ornery :-)  Write your world and make it real to you :-)

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A general message to everyone who has been reading Daughter of Aithne:

Last week I received the red pen mark-up from my amazing editor, Terri-Lynne. Overall she was pleased with the manuscript, BUT she also left me with a lot of work to do. So for the next few weeks, instead of posting new chapters, I will be going back and revising all of the chapters already posted.  Some chapters will go through virtually no change; others are in for a major reworking. When I post a major revision, I'll leave a notice here for reviewers who would like to go back and see the rewritten chapter.

So here's the first notice:

Chapter One, "Accusation" (not to be confused with the prologue "Escape"), has gone through some important changes, especially in the final scene. The essentials of plot are untouched, but you may like to have another look just to stay up-to-date on how events shape up in the early chapters of the novel. And of course, any feedback you have on the new edits would be most welcome.

Thanks to everyone who has reviewed so far; your feedback has been incredibly helpful!

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I'll take a look.

A

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Hey Everyone -
I could use some fresh eyes on the prologue for Daughter of Aithne. I really want this opening sequence to crackle off the page, and am working hard to smooth out the prose & make it so. The link is here:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/posting … ok-3-14180

I've reposted, so even if you reviewed an earlier version, you can earn points by commenting on this one.

Thanks!

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I'm behind but will try to help. Talk soon.

Re: Daughter of Aithne- Karin/ Rita's Thread

Karin Rita Gastreich wrote:

Hey Everyone -
I could use some fresh eyes on the prologue for Daughter of Aithne. I really want this opening sequence to crackle off the page, and am working hard to smooth out the prose & make it so. The link is here:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/posting … ok-3-14180

I've reposted, so even if you reviewed an earlier version, you can earn points by commenting on this one.

Thanks!

Karin, I'll also try my best to review your prologue tomorrow, latest over the weekend! smile

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Review done.  Warning: when I review you I beat you up pretty hard.  I hope some of it helps.

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njc wrote:

Review done.  Warning: when I review you I beat you up pretty hard.  I hope some of it helps.

Thanks, njc! I really appreciate it.

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Re: Daughter of Aithne- Karin/ Rita's Thread

Moral indeterminacy: I guess it comes down to the reader's ability to decide, rightly or wrongly, whether s/he is with or against the protagonist.  I'm not saying that can't change in the course of the story (it can) but you--or at least I--need to make that decision.

We have a person making a vicious attack as a snake--but in the course of a rescue.  Only--it's not a rescue.  It's a kidnapping.  I should change my mind twice, or at least have the sense that I need to learn more.  I don't get that, for whatever reason.

Postscript:  Maybe my sense of being morally adrift would be answered by making Eliasara's reactions stronger and more prominent:  Rescue?  No, this is not what I want!  Add a tinge of moral horror to her distrust.

YMMV and IMO, fershure.

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njc wrote:

Moral indeterminacy: I guess it comes down to the reader's ability to decide, rightly or wrongly, whether s/he is with or against the protagonist.  I'm not saying that can't change in the course of the story (it can) but you--or at least I--need to make that decision.

We have a person making a vicious attack as a snake--but in the course of a rescue.  Only--it's not a rescue.  It's a kidnapping.  I should change my mind twice, or at least have the sense that I need to learn more.  I don't get that, for whatever reason.

Postscript:  Maybe my sense of being morally adrift would be answered by making Eliasara's reactions stronger and more prominent:  Rescue?  No, this is not what I want!  Add a tinge of moral horror to her distrust.

YMMV and IMO, fershure.

Yes, I definitely understood what you meant by this in your critique (or at least, I think I did).

I think, rather than making Eliasara's reaction stronger, moving deeper into Ghemena's pov would be the answer. I am also, in the rewrite, giving more of a voice to Ireny and Nicola. This will make it clear (I hope) that they firmly believe they are doing the right thing, and call into question whether Eliasara's doubt is justified. Knowing how the story develops later, I think that's the safer way to go. Also, if I make Eliasara's reaction stronger with no counterbalance for the magas, my sense is that this would increase the "moral indeterminancy" rather than decrease it.

Thanks again for all your input. It's been very very helpful!

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Re: Daughter of Aithne- Karin/ Rita's Thread

Even in =A song of Ice and Fire=, you can say of an event or an act "This is good," or "Tnis is bad."  Often it doesn't work out that way, but ylu can see it should have.

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njc wrote:

Even in =A song of Ice and Fire=, you can say of an event or an act "This is good," or "Tnis is bad."  Often it doesn't work out that way, but ylu can see it should have.

I definitely disagree with this. It's true of some events in the series, but not all. Martin is a master of moral ambiguity. The more amoral (="bad") a character is, the better off they are in his world. Which would make "bad" the new "good" in Westeros.

At any rate, I am not trying to recreate Martin's world. (Way too dark for me!) There is "good" and "bad" in Daughter of Aithne -- MUCH more so than in ASoIaF, but these don't always align with the moral compass of our world. What's important is how each individual character perceives a "good" act versus a "bad" act, and how these perceptions evolve as the central conflict plays out.

I've made use of all your feedback to rework the prologue, and am very happy with the result. Thanks again!

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For those of you interested in how it all began, I've begun posting the opening chapters of the second edition of EOLYN onto tNBW, in preparation for rebooting the series early next year. Here's the link:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/posting … tion-21560

EOLYN is the first book in the Eolyn Chronicles series, though it was originally written as a stand-alone novel with no conscientious intention of writing any sequels. DAUGHTER OF AITHNE, which I've been workshopping on tnbw for the last several months, is the third book in the series. Both the first edition of EOLYN and the middle book, HIGH MAGA, are currently available from Hadley Rille Books, on Amazon, Barnes&Noble, etc.

I don't plan any major changes for the second edition of EOLYN, but I am switching around the opening chapters a bit, and trying to tighten up things in general. As always, I'd appreciate a pair of fresh eyes. And also, it occurred to me that some of my regular reviewers might like to learn more of the backstory of the main characters. Thanks in advance to anyone who has a chance to look at this.

Pura Vida.

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Karin Rita Gastreich wrote:

For those of you interested in how it all began, I've begun posting the opening chapters of the second edition of EOLYN onto tNBW, in preparation for rebooting the series early next year. Here's the link:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/posting … tion-21560

EOLYN is the first book in the Eolyn Chronicles series, though it was originally written as a stand-alone novel with no conscientious intention of writing any sequels. DAUGHTER OF AITHNE, which I've been workshopping on tnbw for the last several months, is the third book in the series. Both the first edition of EOLYN and the middle book, HIGH MAGA, are currently available from Hadley Rille Books, on Amazon, Barnes&Noble, etc.

I don't plan any major changes for the second edition of EOLYN, but I am switching around the opening chapters a bit, and trying to tighten up things in general. As always, I'd appreciate a pair of fresh eyes. And also, it occurred to me that some of my regular reviewers might like to learn more of the backstory of the main characters. Thanks in advance to anyone who has a chance to look at this.

Pura Vida.

Goody! I struggle to pick up stories in the middle, so this might just be the hot poker up my ... nose I needed to get me going again and catch up with you! ETA is sometime over the next weeks, but at least it has been noted. smile And appreciated, a heads up like this is really helpful!

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Hey, girl: I'll give chapter 1 of Eolyn a look this week. My focus will be tightening, as you already mentioned. Just to let you know to expect something by way of suggestions/review, just not fast.

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Ceridwen wrote:

Hey, girl: I'll give chapter 1 of Eolyn a look this week. My focus will be tightening, as you already mentioned. Just to let you know to expect something by way of suggestions/review, just not fast.

Thanks, Ceridwen! There is also a prologue, if you have a chance. I feel like several reviewers have either skipped or missed that. Thanks in advance for your help. No rush at all on this. Hope you're in for a good week!