Topic: Formatting, Ugh!

seems like the formatting standards are a fluid thing. Ive seen many different answers to this question. But what I want is what seems to be the most common way to format a manuscript. SOmeone told me 8 pt is now the size and in Times New Roman. I always thought it was 12 pt and courier or new courier to make it look like it came off a typewriter. Whatever those are is fine. I would love to see what is sandard for the formatting issue.

Also, i am a user of microsoft word and do not really know how to use many of the features available there. i would want to find out how to set up the paragraphs and other things like the headers and stuff like that. is there a guie or something i can look at to show me how to set up word to do all of this so i do not have to keep tinkering as i write.

thanks all and have a great day.

greg

2 (edited by vern 2015-06-08 14:55:01)

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Different agents/editors may want slightly different formats, but generally you can't go too wrong with Times New Roman with 12 pt. Do a search of any agent/editor you wish to query and they will show what format they want if it is important to them. But it really doesn't matter which you use for your draft because you can change the whole thing in Word merely by highlighting parts or all of it (select all) and change the font, etc with a click of the mouse.

To set up your para indents, spacing, etc. just click on "page layout" and select from the top menu whatever you wish to tinker with. If you are within a document and wish to change something in a section, just highlight what you want to change and right click and select from the menu.

If there is anything in Word you don't know how to do, you can do a Google search and more than likely you will find a solution (or several) since it is very widely used. I have never searched for anything without finding a solution. A bit of trial and error playing around is a really good way to get comfortable with the process. Good luck. Take care. Vern

Edited for PS: You could always buy Word for Dummies (real title) which is a very easy to use guide to most anything you want to know.

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Vern, you didn't mention styles. The styles feature of MS Word is awesome for writing a book. I have a Normal style that is setup the way you suggest (Times New Roman 12 pt. double-spaced), and then I have a small number of extra styles that I use for special purposes. One is called Heading 1, which I use for all chapter titles. That style is very useful because it appears in the Word "document map", which allows me to jump directly to any chapter in the book directly, without having to scroll to look for it. I use quotes (epigraphs) in my book just below each chapter heading, so I have a style for that too. There are a few more, but I'll probably make Greg's head spin if I go into even more detail.

Greg, try the Google search that Vern mentioned, but if you don't find anything useful, rerun the search but include the word Microsoft. They have short tutorials on every feature in Word. I strongly suggest you spend a little time learning how to use styles. I can change the formatting of my entire document just by using styles consistently.

What version of Word are you using? I'm still on 2007, but I've tried 2010 and know that all the features I use in 2007 were carried forward into 2010. I don't know about 2013. Haven't tried it.

Dirk

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

I use word 2010 for my documents. I was fooling around with the paragraph styles and kind of set one up that has the times new roman and 12 pt font size. what about the margins or whatever they call it? is it supposed to be a ceetain number for each side. i currently have it set for justify left, times new roman, 12 pt font with the .5 indent for the first paragraph of each sentence. is there anything else i should include for a normal paragraph style?

5 (edited by vern 2015-06-08 15:34:53)

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Preacher wrote:

I use word 2010 for my documents. I was fooling around with the paragraph styles and kind of set one up that has the times new roman and 12 pt font size. what about the margins or whatever they call it? is it supposed to be a ceetain number for each side. i currently have it set for justify left, times new roman, 12 pt font with the .5 indent for the first paragraph of each sentence. is there anything else i should include for a normal paragraph style?

That's really all you NEED to do in a draft. If an agent/editor wants anything more or less then you can change it at your leisure to accommodate whatever "demands" they might have. By the time you have finished your book, you will probably be an expert on the use of Word and can give the powers that be whatever they wish. Until then, I would keep it simple and spend the time on finishing the project. Good luck. Take care. Vern

Edited for PS: Most manuscripts are now sent as an attachment so the receiving party can change whatever they wish on their end; all of which means the exact formatting is not as critical as it used to be with a hard copy being sent. However, you still want to follow any explicit guidelines an agent/editor might request.

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Vern, you're right. and thanks! i will put it all to rest by ordering a copy of word for dummies and going from there.

thanks, again!

greg

7 (edited by Janet Taylor-Perry 2015-06-08 19:14:30)

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

NEVER something as small as 8 point.

For sending to print, if you're self-publishing: Times New Roman, 12 font, single spaced, 6 X 9 page with 1-inch margins all around (That way you wont' have to worry about the gutter.), .25 paragraph indention, justified, running head with your name and title, and page number, usually at the bottom center or right hand upper corner. These are all easy to do in Word of any year. And if you plan to self-publish, CreateSpace is awesome. Just make the Word.doc a pdf & upload to them.

I can walk you through set up in Word if you call me. Message me & I'll give you a phone #

8 (edited by j p lundstrom 2015-06-08 19:19:35)

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Hey, Preacher--I'm such a dummy I didn't even know there was such a book as "Word for Dummies!" I am completely self-taught, so far as my abilities go, but I do know one thing: when you want to submit something you've written, the editor will give you specific instructions or refer you to a site that gives such easy instructions, you'll know you got it right. The only thing you can do wrong is ignore the editor's requirements. But they'll tell you what happens when you do that, too--they throw it out. No brainer.  JP

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Here's my setup for printing through Createspace, assuming you're asking about self-publishing and not submitting an MSS to an agent/publisher. Some of these things you will want to tweak depending on how many pages you want your book to be. The longer it is, the higher the cost-of-production per paperback will be. My personal goal was to make my paperbacks identical to one you might pull off a shelf at a bookstore.

Page Setup
     Margins
          Top: 0.65''
          Bottom: 0.5" (leaves a little extra space for a page number beneath)
          Inside:  0.65"
          Outside: 0.35"
          Gutter: 0.18" (assures the edge of the page is not lost to the book's inner binding)
              Pages
                 Multiple Pages: Mirror Margins
      Paper
           Paper Size: Custom
                Width: 5.25"
                Height: 8"
(Many use 6x9, but I prefer a smaller size since I find larger books awkward to carry/read)

Paragraph
      Indents and Spacing
            General
                 Alignment: Justified
                 Outline Level: Body Text
            Indentation
                  Left: 0
                  Right: 0
                  Special:  First Line
                  By: 0.25"
            Spacing
                  Before: 0
                  After: 0
                  Line Spacing: Multiple
                  At: 1.05 (gives a little extra space between lines so the text isn't so cramped and is easier to read)

These are just basic text settings. My chosen font was Palatino Linotype, 9.5. You'll also want to learn about page/section breaks and headers/footers (I alternate every other page with author name/title on the top, with the page number on the bottom). I also imitate other standard publishing things like beginning each chapter halfway down a new page, using drop caps, etc. The file I used as reference to this post was 104,000 words and came out to 332 pages in the final product, after inserting title page/dedication/maps and other front and back matter. Like I said, you may wish to play with margins and font size to make your book more cost effective, or to lengthen it if you want it to have more thickness.

Re: Formatting, Ugh!

Nicholas Andrews wrote:

Here's my setup for printing through Createspace, assuming you're asking about self-publishing and not submitting an MSS to an agent/publisher. Some of these things you will want to tweak depending on how many pages you want your book to be. The longer it is, the higher the cost-of-production per paperback will be. My personal goal was to make my paperbacks identical to one you might pull off a shelf at a bookstore.

Page Setup
     Margins
          Top: 0.65''
          Bottom: 0.5" (leaves a little extra space for a page number beneath)
          Inside:  0.65"
          Outside: 0.35"
          Gutter: 0.18" (assures the edge of the page is not lost to the book's inner binding)
              Pages
                 Multiple Pages: Mirror Margins
      Paper
           Paper Size: Custom
                Width: 5.25"
                Height: 8"
(Many use 6x9, but I prefer a smaller size since I find larger books awkward to carry/read)

Paragraph
      Indents and Spacing
            General
                 Alignment: Justified
                 Outline Level: Body Text
            Indentation
                  Left: 0
                  Right: 0
                  Special:  First Line
                  By: 0.25"
            Spacing
                  Before: 0
                  After: 0
                  Line Spacing: Multiple
                  At: 1.05 (gives a little extra space between lines so the text isn't so cramped and is easier to read)

These are just basic text settings. My chosen font was Palatino Linotype, 9.5. You'll also want to learn about page/section breaks and headers/footers (I alternate every other page with author name/title on the top, with the page number on the bottom). I also imitate other standard publishing things like beginning each chapter halfway down a new page, using drop caps, etc. The file I used as reference to this post was 104,000 words and came out to 332 pages in the final product, after inserting title page/dedication/maps and other front and back matter. Like I said, you may wish to play with margins and font size to make your book more cost effective, or to lengthen it if you want it to have more thickness.

THis works for most...however if your book is over 400 pages, you may need to adjust.  Just FYI.

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