Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.
Revised chapter 4 (the start of the investigation) is up for points.
Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi → The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.
Revised chapter 4 (the start of the investigation) is up for points.
Checked it... don't have enough to get points off a review because my brain's too crusty for me to be sure of differences (I was "did she have a cat? I'm not sure??") but it looked like a significant distancing from the original "it may be supernatural" premise
Why would you consider it to be distancing from the supernatural premise? I crucified Vitale instead of burying him and threw in a demon for good measure. There'll be more of them since I've eliminated human accomplices. Fewer criminal background checks and interrogations that way.
I'm cleaning up scene 1.2 right now. It begins the supernatural setup for the murders (e.g. the dark figure almost destroys the church).
As for the cat, the previous version opened with her pulling off Via Tiburtina to park in front of the church. I added the early bit to set her up as an alcoholic. You and Seabrass both suggested dumping more s--t on my MCs.
Yes distancing from "it may be supernatural" to "It almost certainly is"
Forget my earlier comment about the dark figure not needing to turn into fog. I forgot he's putting on a show for the security cameras, plus there's the fog that attacks Connor in the chapel.
Apparently 13 sequels/prequels to Dune aren't enough for Brian Herbert. He and his co-author are releasing a new trilogy called the Duke of Caladan and a Dune graphic novel series. Kevin Anderson is no slouch either. He wrote some of the bestselling Star Wars novels of all time before teaming up on Dune books. The Dune graphic novels might tempt me to buy if the price is right.
$40 for the hardcover version of Dune rereleased to coincide with the movie. Yikes! The last time I paid serious money for hardcover fiction was the ending to the nine book cycle in Star Wars that killed off Jacen Solo. Pretty much the same character arc as Kylo Ren. Good kid turns to the dark side and is redeemed at death. I was kind of hoping they wouldn't kill Jacen since it would have been much more interesting to follow his path back into society after having killed millions. If they had done that, I might have kept reading SW books. As is, I stopped after that book.
I was searching for more info on the new Dune trilogy and stumbled on versions of the Dune saga in French, Spanish, and German. Milking that franchise had got to be a full-time job. They should hire Kathleen Kennedy, whose contract at Lucasfilm is due to expire in a few years. What producer would green light the final trilogy of the Skywalker Saga without enough of an outline to steer the damn story? Granted the Emperor's return was great, but it was an asspull of epic proportions.
Emperor's return kinda follows the books tho
Dune Messiah is a mess of a book. I went looking for explanations online and found reviews from people who also couldn't understand what the hell Frank Herbert was trying to say. I'm 70% of the way through and I still don't know why Paul keeps thinking disengage, disengage, disengage. I understand that he wants to save Chani but can't, but I don't know how that relates to the Jihad (it seems to be mostly over), nor how allowing himself to be blinded by the stoneburner prevents much worse violence.
I view it as the worst of the originals... find reading it even more of a chore than book 1 reading a detailed description of a desert
Finished Dune Messiah. Most of my aforementioned questions remained unanswered. Since Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson have a clearer writing style, I decided to order Winds of Dune next, which is the temporal sequel to Messiah. I'm hoping they will clarify some of the incomprehensible gibberish in Messiah or, at least, prepare me for a dive into Children of Dune.
Frank Herbert made an interesting choice about Chani's death. Paul knew she was in labor and would die but didn't go to be with her. They tweaked that in the Children of Dune miniseries by having him come to say goodbye to her.
I'm looking forward to the new movie.
Interesting that they felt the need to patch the original ending. Wonder if the Sr. is about to come back as a ghost and berate the Jr.
Dune Messiah remains my least-liked book, while the prequel series are new favorites. House Atreides, is, I think, the best of the lot. Duncan Idaho as a child worked out perfectly. I cross-checked in Dune (a book I read again at least once every couple of years) to see if they got all the casual notes that Herbert mentioned. They did.
I’ve met both Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. They’re both friendly guys, with a love of the writing craft. Herbert is, I think more meticulous, while Anderson is more inspirational. I can understand that, as my co-author, Jim, and I have the same kind of writing relationship.
I didn’t like Machine Crusade, and because of that, I’ve not seen their treatment of the legendary Butlerian Jihad. That all felt forced, and a forced novel is always a mistake. I’ve let storylines wither rather than push them.
I highly recommend Butlerian Jihad. I was impressed enough to get them in hardcover. The ending /is/ forced though. Ugly forced. Like we've written ourselves into a box and have to cheap our way out forced. But there's a tie-in to House Atreides, which is a nice bonus.
Following is a link to a website that summarizes and analyzes the Dune novels, including Dune Messiah. It answered some of my questions, but it's clear that Frank Herbert had no intention of answering all of the questions raised by his characters thoughts and conversations. And his ideas on prescience are twisted pretzels.
https://www.tor.com/series/rereading-fr … erts-dune/
Moving on to Winds of Dune.
Woohoo! Revised chapter six is up (the murder investigation). This is a heavily revised version of this chapter, including an additional second scene. The first half is shorter, and includes the new cause of death, the analysis of the demon's remains, and different video footage. I also moved the results of the autopsy from chapter eight to here, to speed up the story.
The second scene is probably going to cost me my PG-13 rating.
Quick, go read.
Dirk
I must admit, I'm enjoying Winds of Dune, which follows Dune Messiah in the timeline, except for flashbacks to Paul's youth and the middle years of the Jihad. I thought the flashbacks to Paul's youth were going to be crap, like in Paul of Dune, but they actually fit the bigger story very well so far. A lot more of the original characters in Winds of Dune, including Lady Jessica. The book was originally going to be called Jessica of Dune.
I also finally found an answer online as to why Paul started/allowed the Jihad. Once he passed a certain point in the original Dune story, teaching the oppressed Fremen how to defeat the Harkonnens and the Saurdukar, there was no stopping them. Paul had become their long-awaited Messiah. Even if he died, it would have continued in his name. He used it to fulfill his "terrible purpose", which was to reinvigorate the stagnant gene pool that had developed over thousands of years of relative peace in the Empire. The best way humans know how to do that is through fanatical bloody warfare. His son, Leto, the God Emperor of Dune, built on this, leading to the Golden Path, which scattered mankind across the universe and bred them so they couldn't be seen by enemies using prescience, assuring mankind's survival.
Kdot, when you get a chance, please have a look at the chapter six for me. The first scene follows the original chapter structure, albeit with different facts, some of which you may find useful. The second scene seems problematic because there aren't enough cops present (IMO) to search a villa for four hard-to-kill murderers. Only eight tactical cops + the inspectors enter the house. Two of the cops are shot at close range with shotgun blasts against enhanced armor. Technically, that should put them in the hospital for a week, but they simply shake it off and keep searching. I tried adding an extra five tactical officers, but it required a lot of coordination that weighed down the scene. Be curious as to your thoughts.
FYI, I added new material at the end of chapter four to make demons growing bodies from DNA seem more credible, which is something Ray was looking for. I rely on it going forward as the actual explanation for demons with physical bodies, which is all made up bullshit.
Thanks
Dirk
I have little of use for you... partly as I noted because the details aren't consistent (I realize this is deliberate) and also because I can't fathom the structure.
For example, I tagged that I'm confounded by DeRosa's dwelling on the internal motives of the plainsclothes cop, but I might read something 3 chapters from now that explains the purpose of it. Anything you can do to write to the end will help me give you reviews meaningful to the plot you're building. Otherwise, I'll ask you questions that bury you in rewrites for the next quarter century
De Rosa doesn't dwell on the internal motives of the plainclothes cop. Campagna notices him sitting across the street watching the second villa (their target). She was the one who requested he be there at the end of chapter 6, scene 1, while she was on the phone.
Interesting timing. I just reached a point in Winds of Dune where Paul explains to his mother about his visions and the reasons for the Jihad. He tells her that he became trapped by his visions the moment he became Maud'dib in the desert after their flight from the Harkonnens. Had he died before then, the events never would have happened, but then there would have been no saving humanity with Leto's Golden Path in the distant future.
This is the new explanation for demons in physical form. I think readers will buy this until the theory is proven conclusively at the villa.
Campagna and De Rosa walked to the dead man’s remains.
“What on earth was that?” she wondered aloud.
De Rosa nudged some of the tissue with his shoe. “You saw the red eyes and the thing that came out of him?”
She nodded.
“My guess is this creature was a demon that had taken on physical form.”
“You mean he was possessed?” one of the constables asked.
“No, if he’d been possessed, the human body would still be intact after the demon fled.”
“But demons have no physical bodies,” Campagna said. “I always understood spirits — angels and demons — could look like humans but have no substance.”
“That’s true in some cases. However, we know from the Book of Revelation that demons can assume physical form, namely of locusts with scorpion-like tails. What, then, is there to stop them from assuming the physical form of humans? I have a morbid curiosity about the subject and have been reading newly released documents from the Vatican Apostolic Archive. There are countless reports over the centuries from credible witnesses — clergy, law enforcement, doctors — encountering demons who have taken on the physical form of recently buried dead bodies. Most seem to be associated with graves that weren’t deep enough or had been disturbed, perhaps by graverobbers. The most likely explanation is that demons can grow bodies from DNA, which would cause them to look like the deceased.
“I’m not sure I buy your theory, but I don’t have a better one right now,” Campagna said.
I'm debating creating a fictitious new level 5 body armor that allows the police officers shot in chapter six to shake off the shotgun blasts to their bodies. They do that now, but it's unrealistic since even level 4 armor would result in a hospital stay if hit by a shotgun.
The other option is to add five more tactical officers to the villa search, holding them in reserve outside the villa in case more officers are needed inside, such as when the first two officers get shot.
What does the story benefit from the change?
Currently, the shootout between cops and demons is unrealistic. Even the best available body armor can't stop a shotgun blast from causing serious injury. In my current draft, they just get up and continue the search. So I either add more cops or better armor. I tried adding more cops, but it became overly complicated, so I figured give them some new body armor that protects against shotgun blasts.
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