Re: How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life)
Ooh, I don't have a rule. Depends on how much room there is a propos the other shenanigans
Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi → How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life)
Ooh, I don't have a rule. Depends on how much room there is a propos the other shenanigans
These two books... are you planning to ship them in one volume?
Picking your brains. Wondering how to up the otherworldliness of the story, that feels too pedestrian still.
Any thoughts? I wondered as a first-off whether to have tattoos appear on the arms of the girls, indicating the various Skills as they learn them?
The whole thing still feels too ... lame...
I've been writing space opera, which is a lower tier of sci-fi. I don't take much time to explain things. They just exist as part of my worlds. My planet New Bethlehem is smaller than Earth, with a different color sky (can't remember the color offhand), rings around the planet, and three moons. Vehicles can fly. Critical buildings have shields to prevent most types of attacks from space. My characters wear wisewatches that can do anything I need them to for a given scene. Next draft they'll include a holographic projector, since a 2x2 smartwatch screen is nearly useless.
How advanced technically is your story's society? Are we talking like Lord of the Rings (e.g., knifes, axes, bows and arrows, etc.)?
Hi Norm.
How advanced technically is your story's society? Are we talking like Lord of the Rings (e.g., knifes, axes, bows and arrows, etc.)?
It is a world that has three distinct societies.
The Skilled
These societies, Tower and Liberty, are run magically.
Technical advancements are down to the imagination of the Creators. The Far-Skills, Speaking and Jumping, are used in preference to mechanical means of distance travel or speech. Skills do take energy from the Skill-user, so are used judiciously to avoid exhaustion.
However, the emphasis in these two areas is very different, and they are in continual conflict.
Tower; a harsh, black and white society, based on military rigidity. The martial skills, Artillery, Persuasion and Coercion, are most prized. The artisan skills, Creation and Healing, are necessary, but are provided by lower grade staff.
Liberty; colourful, artistic, hedonistic. Skills are used for pleasure seeking as well as for practical use. Even practical uses are expected to have some artistic value. Creation is therefore the most highly prized Skill. Artisans and artists are equally valued in society. Liberty is becoming jaded and aimless.
Non-Skilled
The Edge was originally the refuge for the Non-Skilled, but is now an ascetic conclave of people who refuse to use Skills for everyday life. They believe that imagination and creativity only thrive where life isn't given to a person on a plate. There is technology, but it is dependent on being hand made, or made by machines that have themselves been hand-built, so equivalent probably to life in the 18th/19th centuries. The use of Skills in the area is punished. Because of the difficulties of proving Skill use, they use Enforcers from Tower to prove guilt.
Nice details. Should make for interesting storytelling.
thanks. Two more chapters up today. More in transit, waiting for me to pointplunder
Good background to know about. Thanks
Here's an example:
For fourteen years—all her life—Skills had surrounded her, and she’d never given them a second thought. Her mother didn’t Speak, it gave her a headache, she said, and Izzy hated Jumping, even when it was necessary. And if Amma was tired and irritable, for weeks on end sometimes, she hadn’t put it together with the Creation of new clothes, or the way the pantries were filled up again
Notes:
1. "...never give a second thought..." trivializes them
2. There are 3 instances in this where we're told what did not occur as opposed to what did
3. Overall, this procession is very "nice". There is no true penalty for power use (at least none by chapter 4) - you just hug a Minx and you're off to the Garden of Eden
She'd dreaded reaching fourteen - the age the Darkening came upon them. Her mother, she'd been told, had been cursed with the Sat'tashé. For a hundred days straight, her village had kept her locked in a basement so no one would hear the screams as her power burned her mind. Even now, it gave her migraines to speak of it. For her part, Izzy hated Shadow-Sliding. She doubted she'd even do it to save her own life. The way membranous fingers from the other touched her skin made her want to shrink into Bada moth and flap her way to the setting of the third moon.
What I've done here is sprinkle random names instead of "Speak" or "Jump" etc and tried to envision it in a way that it's a power no sane person would want. Now the MC is no longer the "Chosen One" who gets the great power -- she's an average person who really doesn't want it - but fate will make her suffer until she gives in and accepts it
Huge fun K. Not the book I am writing, of course, but my stuff is more about what is under the surface, I think.
Thanks for the review btw, always helpful. Asking this question has also made me realise that making it all more obviously alien isn't working for me.
Here's an example:
original wrote:For fourteen years—all her life—Skills had surrounded her, and she’d never given them a second thought. Her mother didn’t Speak, it gave her a headache, she said, and Izzy hated Jumping, even when it was necessary. And if Amma was tired and irritable, for weeks on end sometimes, she hadn’t put it together with the Creation of new clothes, or the way the pantries were filled up again
Notes:
1. "...never give a second thought..." trivializes them
2. There are 3 instances in this where we're told what did not occur as opposed to what did
3. Overall, this procession is very "nice". There is no true penalty for power use (at least none by chapter 4) - you just hug a Minx and you're off to the Garden of Eden
ok. my thoughts on your thoughts.
1. I don't think it trivialises the Skills. It is just dawning on Izzy that the things she, as a child, took for granted aren't as simple as she used to think. 'When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.' It is time for her to put away her childish things.
2. Realisations are often about what is not. The rest of the narrative is about what is. This is about the comparison.
3. It might appear to be easy, but this is EARLY in the progress. She's soon going to find out that living in this society is not easy at all.
mmk. my thoughts on your thoughts on my thoughts
1. Ok, no problem - as long as you're aware you've made the Skills commonplace and ubiquitous enough to be taken for granted, you grasp the fundamental difficulty in making the story more otherworldly.
2. A "not" is simple and powerful expression ("John was the guy who'd never learned to dance"), but pile 3 into one paragraph...
Mark walked to his door and didn't look up. He didn't put on his shoes and decided not to drink a glass of water
At some point it becomes clear that the writer is visualizing a lot of action and has either overlooked that the reader can't or is being deliberately cagey.
A more realistic/relevant example: "John didn't believe in the war" in a book set in 1980 probably means Vietnam and works because the modern reader knows what to compare against. In a fantasy novel, this becomes a footnote that the reader is expecting will join up later (big war? Small war? Recurring war? Relevant war? What was the cost? Recent?).
Better: "John lost his wife in the war eighteen years ago" (War occurred once, is not still occurring, and is distant past - here's how it affects John now, and we can expect John to react certain ways because of it).
This is really a snippet of a broader discussion related to the old "Bob saw something" structure. I'm not suggesting don't use them - but rather think about what questions each one raises.
mmk. my thoughts on your thoughts on my thoughts
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This is really a snippet of a broader discussion related to the old "Bob saw something" structure. I'm not suggesting don't use them - but rather think about what questions each one raises.
thanks, and yes, I'll give it a good think and come back with some new ideas.
New question.
Contractions: yes to dialogue, but in narrative? Accepting that this is a close third, tightly in the POV head, with little or no authorial comment.
My agent is anti, I am dithering.
New question.
Contractions: yes to dialogue, but in narrative? Accepting that this is a close third, tightly in the POV head, with little or no authorial comment.
My agent is anti, I am dithering.
No contractions? Seems an unfortunate rule. I can think of best sellers who use them:
I can’t recall what her father did. Once, she explained to me in detail what he did, but as with most kids, it went in one ear and out the other.
--Murakami, Haruki. South of the Border, West of the Sun
yes, my feeling too. In particular would contracted to say, he'd or she'd looks and sounds better to me. So in a sentence: 'She had always thought she would feel differently. But she did not.' it just feels so much more likely to say 'She'd always thought she'd feel differently. But she didn't.' Especially with a teen audience.
There are different kinds of narrative. Some narrative relates the experience of the character: "She didn't trust her judgement." This example also contracts a verb and the negating adverb attached to it. Others refer to the circumstance: "The sun's not up yet." This combines a noun and a verb. (In the present tense, it's also more likely to occur in dialogue.) "He'd not been ..." is a more common form in UK usage than in American. (Not sure about Canada/Aus/NZ.)
I think you're okay with contractions that describe the mind or experience of a character, and with contractions that compress verbs and negating adverbs. Pronoun-verb contractions in the present tense will be almost all in dialogue, but I'd okay them anyway.
Lynne Clark wrote:New question.
Contractions: yes to dialogue, but in narrative? Accepting that this is a close third, tightly in the POV head, with little or no authorial comment.
My agent is anti, I am dithering.No contractions? Seems an unfortunate rule. I can think of best sellers who use them:
I can’t recall what her father did. Once, she explained to me in detail what he did, but as with most kids, it went in one ear and out the other.
--Murakami, Haruki. South of the Border, West of the Sun
I think this example, as it is 1st person, isn't what I mean though. 1st will always have contractions as even the narrative is funneled through the POV mouth.
There are different kinds of narrative. Some narrative relates the experience of the character: "She didn't trust her judgement." This example also contracts a verb and the negating adverb attached to it. Others refer to the circumstance: "The sun's not up yet." This combines a noun and a verb. (In the present tense, it's also more likely to occur in dialogue.) "He'd not been ..." is a more common form in UK usage than in American. (Not sure about Canada/Aus/NZ.)
I think you're okay with contractions that describe the mind or experience of a character, and with contractions that compress verbs and negating adverbs. Pronoun-verb contractions in the present tense will be almost all in dialogue, but I'd okay them anyway.
I love your explanations NJ but I never actually understand what you are trying to tell me I'm not academic enough, I'm so sorry
squared.
I'm no academic either.
"She didn't trust her judgement." This describes the character's state of mind. It's just half a step beyond dialogue. If you (or the editor) will accept the contraction when she expresses herself, what about when the narrator is speaking for her?
"The sun isn't up yet." -- the verb is contracted with the closely associated adverb.
"The sun's not up yet." -- the verb is contracted with the noun that is the verb's subject. The subject is grammatically more remote from the verb than the adverb that negates the verb.
One might accept the contraction of closely linked verb and adverb and reject the contraction between the more remote subject and verb.
ah, yes I get that. thanks.
I've been thinking about the contraction issue for the past week. I've been poking at various texts. Still reaching, but here are my early thoughts:
The sun's not up yet.
--isn't a contraction I would normally use in narrative. I'm sure a few of these may have slipped by
The sun isn't up yet.
--I would use this contraction in narrative. *But* I always boot negatives when I find them. I'd be much more likely to say "The sky was tinged pink with the first traces of morning" than point out the missing sun.
She didn't trust her judgement
--"She doubted her own judgement" or "She found herself second-guessing her facts". Actually, I shy away from these kinds of tags anyway. They're more reader cues than character thoughts. I'd be more likely to write "She shut the door firmly, but hesitated" and let the reader assign the state of self-doubt.
The men ran into the house where they'd left their shoes
--Now here's one I use to solve cadence problems and make a smoother read. I'm thinking about this case. Can I write around it? Probably so. Really it's just a shortcut. I can train myself out of it with very little cost, effectively ending contraction use in narrative.
Definitely a worthy adventure. Thank you for asking this question!
Mission "kill the contraction" not going so well. I'm finding myself stuck on "he'd" as in "he would" and "he had"
"If he thought she was going along with this, he'd best rethink his plan"
"She would love to board that car. Stars! She'd do it in a heartbeat"
My story is covered in these. To preserve the meter, I'd (I would) spend more time reconstructing phrases than actually writing
Don!t sweat it so badly. Preserve the scansion, even if it means that your editor will have to tolerate a contraction.
Don!t sweat it so badly. Preserve the scansion, even if it means that your editor will have to tolerate a contraction.
totally in agreement with you and K. I'm saying the occurrences out loud to myself and deciding from that which needs to happen. Thanks for all your input. x
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