Re: How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life)
Did you republish, or just edit the changes in?
Fantasy/Magic & Sci-Fi → How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life)
Did you republish, or just edit the changes in?
Edited the changes in, the earlier stuff is then reachable through the reviews. Sadly, it doesn't pay anyone who has already left a review again, but it keeps it all together for me.
Here's the link in case it is lost in all the other stuff here. https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/postin … -one-24430
It also doesn't alert people that there's new material up for review.
No, that's why I put it here, you here and the crucible group, are the main people I am interested in hearing from. There are only three chapters to overlay, so I'll be onto new stuff shortly, and I wanted to keep it all in one place.
I don't understand what you mean by 'keeping it all in one place'. After a complete rewrite, how does it help to have the old reviews mixed with the new? You can republish under the same name and chapter by creatimg a new version.
I don't know, it just felt right to me. I don't want multiple versions of the same thing.
This version is much sharper than the original. Some food for thought (I post it here because I don't want to collect points for only reviewing a paragraph).
Consider:
So, she had run all the way, arriving breathless with no idea why Cantrain wanted her.
You've mentally skipped an important scene here. You already visualize the character in the destination room and are hurrying us past the walk to get there.
But that movement is extremely useful because it tells us so much about her.
a. How much does she dread about that meeting?
b. What does her world look like?
c. How does she interact with her environment?
d. Is she guilty of something the meeting will being about?
e. What time of day is it (You have the room shimmer later - is that afternoon sun?)
She followed the guard, and chewed her lower lip to still her chattering teeth. His tall long-legged gait was a bit much for her, of average for [gender-race] she had to gather up the folds of her dress to keep up. Nervous about her scores last week, she felt compelled to ask.
Please sir, Did they say what it's about?
The guard paused under the shadow of a stone archway, and waning sunlight glinted from his helmet through the tall, plexiglass windows. He fixed a withering glare on her and turned to move on without speaking
In the above example, I can use the tension of the approaching meeting to hide the fact that I'm totally info-dumping her age-height-race-clothes-time on the poor reader. In addition, we know this character is in serious trouble and anyone who's been the subject of such a glare is forced into the character's shoes.
Don't use that example - I'm just demonstrating the raw awesome amount of data you skipped.
Take this advice with a grain of salt. In [J e n n a]s story, I got about 3000 words out of her walking from one room to another to see her father (for her execution), and in another story, I got about 7 chapters from a scout taking an overnight jog.
The downsides are that people don't get annoucements of new/revised work, and people don't get points for reviews.
thanks NJ, problem is, I had all that in the earlier version, but no teenager liked it, it was just toooooo slow and full of info. So this time, I am dumping them into the middle of something happening, they don't know what, or why, or what the world is about, they have to read on to get all that.
thanks NJ, problem is, I had all that in the earlier version, but no teenager liked it, it was just toooooo slow and full of info. So this time, I am dumping them into the middle of something happening, they don't know what, or why, or what the world is about, they have to read on to get all that.
Yep... Sorry, I meant "a few words trickled into the action". Too many, and all that yummy tension will leak out. I'd say max 1 sentence of backdrop per sentence of tension. Spend a paragraph explaining backdrop and readers will leak away. It's safe to do once you've engaged them (maybe in a chapter 3 or a 4).
You have the tension in/about the right place as is... I'm just saying you skipped that nice moment of dread where the character has been summoned to the principal's office.
Oh sorry, it was you, K not NJ who mentioned that, I mistook the avatar.
Hmmm So you would elaborate a bit more where Vair calls her in? There is more of this scene in Chap 2 as recollection, but it is later in the scene, rather than upfront.
Not so much "elaborate" as give us that slight moment to dread what's about to happen. 10-50 words range. Maybe less for now.
1. Keeps us "live" with the character (instead of the newsreel: "Here's what happened 30 seconds ago"
2. tension (as mentioned above)
3. Pathos
Bonus points if the character has to leave an unstarted breakfast behind
Izzy spends her life being hungry.
I will have a think today and give you something to chew over later.
ONCE UPON A TIME when the world was young there was a Martian named Smith. Valentine Michael Smith was as real as taxes but he was a race of one.
This book shakes and shocks us, half a century after its first version was published. But today's obsession with opening In Media Res would rule out this engaging, fascinating opening, surely in the top 100 of all English Language novels.
Is the James Bond style of In Media Res progress, or just fashion? Is it, perhaps, a crutch for writers who have no other interesting opening?
ONCE UPON A TIME when the world was young there was a Martian named Smith. Valentine Michael Smith was as real as taxes but he was a race of one.
This book shakes and shocks us, half a century after its first version was published. But today's obsession with opening In Media Res would rule out this engaging, fascinating opening, surely in the top 100 of all English Language novels.
Is the James Bond style of In Media Res progress, or just fashion? Is it, perhaps, a crutch for writers who have no other interesting opening?
I think in the adult fiction arena, all openings are acceptable, depending on the style of the writing. But I am guessing that with their lives lived in snippets and on screen, the teen reader needs more action from the off. Personally, I like both. There are chunks of interesting personality that came through in the earlier versions, but are missing in the new in medias res version, but the life and zing of the new version offsets that. Which is better? Who is to say...
Okay, the Chapter 2 review is complete, with lots of gripes, bellyaches, proclamations from on high, and snyde comments. All for your enjoyment, of course.
today's obsession with opening In Media Res would rule out this engaging, fascinating opening
Not really progress, but fitting. here's just so many distractions these days, I find a book has to sparkle harder to get me engrossed. I go back to re-read books I liked back in the day, and sometimes I'm thinking wow, how did I ever have the patience to slog through 200 pages of this crap to get to the good part? (Tommyknockers, I'm looking at you)
All things being cyclic, this fad will one day disappear. Probably not until we as a society find a way to tame the noise of entertainment
I tried reading Dune three or four times but got bored each time. After watching the original movie with the awesome soundtrack, I read the book in one weekend and eventually read all the rest, including some of those (ick!) written by his son. Dune and God Emperor of Dune rock!
I thought the son did an ok treatment of Butlerian Jihad... but I still think Chapterhouse was heads and above the best of any in the series.
I have Hunters here unread tho. I read page 1, put it down and never came back. Erk
God Emperor had a wicked ending
New chapter 2 up now, shoe-horned in (and other chapter numbers altered accordingly) to introduce the antagonist nice and early. He won't appear again until Part 2 though. What do you think of introducing him and his world now, then leaving it to ferment in people's minds?
p.s. I hate to think what NJ will make of this one...
p.p.s. Link in case it is all getting confusing https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/conten … /version/0
NJ, thank you for all your reviews, I have a busy Easter ahead, working through them chronologically. Do you read replies to inline comments? I can clarify some stuff there, but I know not everyone reads those replies so I will clarify here if that works better for you?
No major quibbles. Details don't override the pace. Of course you can thin / make precision-based finesse on future passes. But nothing felt brushed over - nothing screamed to me "missed opportunity".
I will read the replies at least once when the main reply is filled in and I'm informed that you've replied. Feel free to reply in the forum if you prefer.
Of course, you can add the comments and put a note here.
Nearly everything I pick on in reviews is something I learned here, either by being reviewed or by reviewing.
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