Re: How to Breathe Underwater (trilogy: Lessons in Skills for Life)
Norm, you haven’t wasted your time. You’ve explored your writing and style. The first book is totally worth the effort you expended on it
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Norm, you haven’t wasted your time. You’ve explored your writing and style. The first book is totally worth the effort you expended on it
Better said than me. I write for myself. I revise for others
totally right!
Norm, you haven’t wasted your time. You’ve explored your writing and style. The first book is totally worth the effort you expended on it
I agree. That's why I'm not bothered by shelving it. My next story will begin with a detailed outline for all three books since that will greatly influence story details throughout the trilogy. I also have to do most of the research up front this time for the same reason.
It is said that no writing is ever wasted. I think that's so true. If my trilogy never comes to fruition I have learnt so much by writing and discussing what I have written.
I'm going to suggest a book that I think very valuable--so valuable that I'm struggling to turn the clearly correct advice into my work!
The book is Matt Bird's The Secrets of Story. The author starts by explaining that his expensive Columbia MFA was worse than useless, because it taught all the wrong things--things not to do. Then he boils his experience down to 13 rules so obviously right your only problem is the skills to do them. But you know what you're working towards.
I've seen it online. Will check it out. Thanks.
New Jersey is right. The book is that good. It uses movies for example to prove points. It really puts the teaching into perspective
His blog is excellent too. http://www.secretsofstory.com/2011/08/u … klist.html
p.s. to Amy: finally got in. All I had to do was log out and log back in. D'oh!
That blog entry is amazing. It's interesting to see how different my next story is from the traditional hero's journey.
Glad you are back on track. Read the link. God advicefor all of us
amy s wrote:Better said than me. I write for myself. I revise for others
totally right!
One of my favorite bookstores sells this sign that says "Write drunk, edit sober". One of these days, I'm going to buy it and hang it on my wall.
Hey there, Lynne! I'm not nearly as experienced as this lot of awesome writers, but I promise I'll throw in my two cents when I can. As far as when to start a story, I read somewhere (can't recall where) that the story starts when the "problem" does. By problem, I mean the main point of the story. For instance, Harry Potter doesn't start with digging into his daily life and family issues. That's background noise. The real story begins with his letter from Hogwarts.
yes, yet another update on the first chapter up now, along with a revised Chapter 2. Next up will be Chapter 4, I am writing a completely new Chapter 3 bringing in the antagonist much earlier in the story, so you don't have to wade through all the school stuff before you realise there is more to the story than schoolery.
Hey there, Lynne! I'm not nearly as experienced as this lot of awesome writers, but I promise I'll throw in my two cents when I can.
As far as when to start a story, I read somewhere (can't recall where) that the story starts when the "problem" does. By problem, I mean the main point of the story. For instance, Harry Potter doesn't start with digging into his daily life and family issues. That's background noise. The real story begins with his letter from Hogwarts.
Well, in fact, Harry starts with being left on the doorstep of the Durnsleys, and then goes briefly into his life in the cupboard under the stairs. But I agree, the REAL story starts with the letter from Hogwarts. So I agree, I need to bring in my problem rather more quickly than now. Look out for lots more foreshadowing I think.
The first HP chapter is a prologue, though of course we can't use that word nowadays. Without it, we would be adrift when the story opens. It gives us key characters, a sense of the rules of the world, a sense of Harry's world, and essential backstory.
Rowling carries it off by making a,story of it, told in a storyteller's narrative style--which blows off the whole no-narrstor conceit.
I was reluctant to bring in HP to the conversation, but there is need to make your story as non-HP as possible. Using it as a template , even in negative comparisons can be trouble.
Have you debated this, Lynne?
The first HP chapter is a prologue, though of course we can't use that word nowadays. Without it, we would be adrift when the story opens. It gives us key characters, a sense of the rules of the world, a sense of Harry's world, and essential backstory.
Rowling carries it off by making a,story of it, told in a storyteller's narrative style--which blows off the whole no-narrstor conceit.
She blew off a lot of conceits! Anyway, there are no rules that aren't there to be broken, as long as you can break them stylishly. Likewise, no story that hasn't been written, but you can't write it differently and make it your own.
I was reluctant to bring in HP to the conversation, but there is need to make your story as non-HP as possible. Using it as a template , even in negative comparisons can be trouble.
Have you debated this, Lynne?
Too darn right I have! I am petrified it might be anything like. Or like any other magic school story, of which there are many. Nobody else has Tarna in their mind's corridor to my knowledge.
Letting readers think they know what they're meeting gives you the chance to weave story around the differernces.
WARNING; Whine alert:
I've de-activated Chap 4 for the moment, as I think it is empty of any action and needs serious rethinking, perhaps even jettisoning. I'm still concerned about the first two. I'm starting to feel so negative about the whole thing.
My cat is very ill, in hospital, with a bill that might break us, and I can't think about that, so I'm trying to concentrate on my writing to balance my thinking, but I don't know whether that's because it is all rubbish or because I am feeling fragile.
Should I just ditch the whole beginning and start afresh or plug on with what I've got? I can't see the wood for the trees at present.
I wrote seven or eight versions of chapter one for my first book. However, it evolved as a result of the evolution of the rest of the story. You might want to keep going and see how the spirit moves you, then come back for a possible rewrite. If you already have a handle on the rest, then by all means, try writing another draft of chapter one to see which you like better.
I think I might be taking the crits too much to heart, tbh. I have written about eight different versions so far, some of them have been total rethinks, ditching the original chapter, trying desperately to build in more action and verve. (not all here, btw, some of these rewrites were ante-TNBW) I take out the descriptive passages, as I hear I am too passive, I add in more action, but then people don't understand what's happening because the descriptive passages were the ones that gave context to the world. And I'm asked, what about the worldbuilding? But the world isn't that different to ours, it is only what people are doing within it that is terribly different. Likewise, the race is similar, until you notice odd differences.
I am here to hear other people's thoughts about my writing. What is the point of being here otherwise? But is it wise if it simply confuses the matter?
Of course it's confusing - you haven't found you true voice yet.
Recommend: Read the published writers you love and emulate for your first draft. Draw what you can from this site, but don't attempt to do it all.
Second-pass come back and watch yourself emulating. Ask yourself what you were really trying to say. Filter it through the eyes of your reviewers. But come back with the wisdom of the completed story and make it yours. In doing so, you will find your voice.
-K
Thanks K. One of these days I will have the confidence to believe in my own voice, stop seeking the approval of others. But until then, you are stuck with my whining. I do apologise.
Added thought on the little review:
Fartravel -- four syllables, and awkward, for a bit of 'tech'. After a decade or two, people would be saying 'Farter' or they'd invent other terms. (Are you old enough to remember https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrvergnügen ?) Anyway, if people could substitute a short walk, it doesn't seem very Far.
Heinlein was a genius at this. He could drop a nonce term like Welton Fine-grain or Burroughs Bachelor Buggy and the reader would get it at once.
well, they could sub a short walk, but they can also travel across the entire planet.
I might just call it Jump. As Escoffier said 'Faites simple'
Maybe look for a two-syllable compound?
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