1 (edited by SolN 2014-12-09 17:43:18)

Topic: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

I see a lot of users have chosen to make their books and stories available to everyone on the Internet. If your content is on this page, readers do not need to login to view and read what you have posted:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/free-ebooks

I wanted to make sure everyone knew that this was the case. Content appears on this page if you choose to publish the content to Groups, Connections, and Internet. If you do not want it available to everyone, then change the setting to Groups and Content Only.

To get to this page, go to your Portfolio, click the title of the content, click the Publish sub-tab.

Sol

Re: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

In my case, I thought about that for quite some time, but came to the conclusion that it just might encourage people out there to become members if they saw what was being produced.  There is a danger there, however, that since this site has no safeguard regarding copy/paste that our writing could be stolen easily.  How hard would it be to add the coding to make copy/paste impossible (unless one know how to do it)?

Tom

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In my opinion, it also eliminates the option of a publisher picking up your work.  I've heard of at least one writer self-publishing and then being picked up by a publishing house.  Having something on the internet means you are putting up most, if not all, of your book for free.  Once out there, it can be pasted, go viral, and be out of your control forever. 

Not that I think I'm going to make a fortune on my book, but I would like the option someday.

A

Re: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

SolN wrote:

I see a lot of users have chosen to make their books and stories available to everyone on the Internet. If your content is not in this page, readers do not need to login to view and read what you have posted:

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/free-ebooks

I wanted to make sure everyone knew that this was the case. Content appears on this page if on the publish tab you choose to publish the content to Groups, Connections, and Internet. If you do not want it available to everyone, then change the setting to Groups and Content Only.

To get to this page, go to your Portfolio, click the title of the content, click the Publish sub-tab.

Sol

I don't think this option should even exist.

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I have opted to use this wider exposure on 3 of my pieces because I have a beta reading group who like the option of reading from their computers or devices rather than a word doc. They aren't members and have little interest in becoming involved in this site. It's a little risky but then again so is selling your completed work on Amazon (tons of stories have been stolen and plagiarized from that site).

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I am of two minds about this. I have read that it is good to get people interested in your book, before it is published, as the more interest you can drum up for it, the greater its possible market value. I've heard that some people have gone so far as to use Linked-In and Face Book to post drafts of their opusi. (What would the plural be to that word?)

I know that you cannot put a copyright on an idea for a book, nor can you copyright a book title. So, if someone else wanted to use your title and plot, it would be perfectly legal for them to do that. Icky. However, basic plots have been rewritten many times over. See for example: http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/04/13/nnp/18425.html

Is there any record that this site is being monitored by other publishers? You see, on the one hand, I do want to protect my story, but on the other hand, I want to build up as much interest in it as possible.

Genevieve

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Does TNBW not do the copyright anymore? It's not expensive to file an online copyright. $35. It takes time to complete all the documents, but it's not hard.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Does TNBW not do the copyright anymore? It's not expensive to file an online copyright. $35. It takes time to complete all the documents, but it's not hard.

A copyright does nothing to keep people from stealing your work.  Absolutely nothing.  It merely gives you a method of taking action against someone once they have already done it, which is a far more painful process than taking reasonable care not to open up unpublished work to the entire Internet.  The trouble is, it's highly likely you'll have no idea you've had your work stolen.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Does TNBW not do the copyright anymore? It's not expensive to file an online copyright. $35. It takes time to complete all the documents, but it's not hard.

For all practical purposes, your work is considered copyrighted in the US when you first put it to paper and paying a fee affords you no greater protection. I don't think this site has ever gone beyond that for anything not actually published. Take care. Vern

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I never put my stuff out just on the net, not even Goodreads. The things I've had published are copyrighted before it goes to print. That's why I asked about certain sites overseas. Bokus.com, for example.

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Every couple of months, I do a Google search using the first couple of sentences of my novels.  Most times, it comes back at me with my own posts.  But, if someone has stolen your works, and not had the foresight to alter a few things, then you will see it.  One of my friends had that happen and actually managed to get it taken down from the rogue site after complaining (and proving) it came from his works to the ISP manager staff.

So, copyrighting your work is a good idea if for no other reason that having a date handy.

Tom

12 (edited by d a reynolds 2014-12-11 19:08:18)

Re: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

Slightly off topic. Question:
How many member here actualy try to get their work published through the original method of sending hard copies; and or, sending a digital copy to a publishing house?

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Me. Never.  Probably will never send anything to a publishing house.

Tom

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d a reynolds wrote:

Slightly off topic. Question:
How many member here actualy try to get their work published through the original method of sending hard copies; and or, sending a digital copy to a publishing house?

Lots, but I think more and more lately writers are leaning more heavily toward self-publish. I'm still working with an agent however because I'm very keen on the foreign market and movie rights which is very hard to do with self publishing unless you reach sales in the amaze-balls range.

Re: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

d a reynolds wrote:

Slightly off topic. Question:
How many member here actualy try to get their work published through the original method of sending hard copies; and or, sending a digital copy to a publishing house?

I'm still trying the traditional route - I'm pretty damn stubborn, lol - but for now have switched from querying agents to going direct to publishers (primarily independent who don't require agents). Very few agents or publishers require hard copies these days and I no longer submit to those who do, just too much time and wasted paper involved. Take care. Vern

16 (edited by maxkeanu 2014-12-13 22:05:42)

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I published the most profound avant-garde science fiction novel in the history of the Internet (PRUNELLA) through an Indian publisher in serial installments. Even though I never finished it (illness), a year later I found it being hocked on sites from evil terrorist lands to used car dealerships in Canada.

One note: I now understand it was just too avant-garde for the likes of tNBW (har-har). I also realize that dagnee, my only steadfast reviewer for this comic masterpiece, is a true genius!

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Hi Sol,
So whats the default for historical work by  premium users coming over to this new site?  Will we need to go to every submitted work and change the selection or are we automatically on the 'do not publish to everyone' group?

Re: Many Members Making Content Available Free to Everyone

Hi Sol,
So whats the default for historical work by  premium users coming over to this new site?  Will we need to go to every submitted work and change the selection or are we automatically on the 'do not publish to everyone' group?

The default is to only make it available to groups and connections, which does not make it available to the general Internet. You do not have to go through all of your previously submitted work. This is also the default for newly published content.

I noticed some users were changing it from the default and I just wanted to make sure they understood what this meant. It sounds like for the most part, users do understand this.

Sol

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Linda Lee wrote:
d a reynolds wrote:

Slightly off topic. Question:
How many member here actualy try to get their work published through the original method of sending hard copies; and or, sending a digital copy to a publishing house?

Lots, but I think more and more lately writers are leaning more heavily toward self-publish. I'm still working with an agent however because I'm very keen on the foreign market and movie rights which is very hard to do with self publishing unless you reach sales in the amaze-balls range.

Thanks Linda. I think I will, come the glorious day that I finish my book, look towards a publisher.

20 (edited by dagnee 2014-12-16 15:54:08)

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maxkeanu wrote:

I published the most profound avant-garde science fiction novel in the history of the Internet (PRUNELLA) through an Indian publisher in serial installments. Even though I never finished it (illness), a year later I found it being hocked on sites from evil terrorist lands to used car dealerships in Canada.

One note: I now understand it was just too avant-garde for the likes of tNBW (har-har). I also realize that dagnee, my only steadfast reviewer for this comic masterpiece, is a true genius!

I am a true genius...who knew? I remember Prunella...and her killer vagina....glad to see you, Max...  big_smile

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I had agents asking for complete manuscripts and then taking months to get back with me. I also went the contest route for exposure. My stuff tends to do well with contests that look for more classical style of writing. But after many queries, I decided to go indie. I can't quit my day job--YET. But I sell some books either in print or for Kindle every month and get a royalty check every month. I just got word that I'm doing quite well in Denmark. And I've had nothing but 4 & 5-star reviews. I also have friends who are trying to traditional way. Hey! It's become commonplace for even big publishing houses to make the writer do much of their own promotion. And I'd rather go indie than with a vanity press that will most likely go under in a year or so. My one piece of advice to indie authors--GET A PROFESSIONAL EDITOR TO READ YOUR WORK FIRST. Even then and even in big-house published pieces, you'll find mistakes. And if you're like me, a non-formula writer, indie is the route. Also, the wave of the future is electronic, though I still love the feel and smell of paper. Another thing to keep in mind is that big publishers give big distributors the buy-back option. Indie and small publisher don't offer that. You can't believe the number of books by big name authors I sent back when I worked retail (back in the dark ages). Those books look like sales, but really aren't. And indies, beware big distributors. I have a fellow author near me and she has yet to collect her royalties after five years from B & N. The small bookstores around here are very indie friendly.