Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

you missed the 'GENETICALLY' superior reference. Put him in a cat's body, and he shouldn't be able to manifest any powers. Was the kitten able to fly once Super K was released? No? Then there is no flying cat.

Epic. You just described your alter-ego as epic. That is a word no one should ever use on themselves. Such terminology instigates eye-rolling and projectile vomiting.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

amy s wrote:

you missed the 'GENETICALLY' superior reference. Put him in a cat's body, and he shouldn't be able to manifest any powers. Was the kitten able to fly once Super K was released? No? Then there is no flying cat.

Epic. You just described your alter-ego as epic. That is a word no one should ever use on themselves. Such terminology instigates eye-rolling and projectile vomiting.

Am I still jetlagged?! What is this about a flying cat and my alter-ego being epic, which it is, but like you say, I'd never say that out loud, it's just not done in polite company! tongue

Other than this, I'm safe back in Perth and didn't get any time for much writing or reviewing so far. I have a few hours to myself today (kids are with nana, husband with one of his friends), so I'm trying to get that fixed! Hope everyone else is still going well!!!

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

amy s wrote:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Matthew? Oh yeah, he's got it really bad! smile

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

K deletes his posts after three days. He had some comments in there and is wearing his tin-foil-hat to avoid giving his plot away on the internet.

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Janet, was it you who mentioned the price of books in Australia? www.teleread.com/australian-government-local-books-cost-too-much-why-not-let-stores-import-them/

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

njc wrote:

Janet, was it you who mentioned the price of books in Australia? www.teleread.com/australian-government-local-books-cost-too-much-why-not-let-stores-import-them/

Not as far as I know. But in general, it's true and not only for books. Depending on what you need, a few Aussies could actually pay for their tickets to fly to the US and back ... Yes, at one point, Aus was THAT expensive. It's better these days though with the whole mining boom and economy going to shit.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Okay, I think this is more for Amy, but anyone else is also welcome to chime in (Amy likes it to correct people tongue )

In any case, say someone is stabbed with a knife or impaled with a sword, how long before they are dead dead?

And yes K, in the next chapter not one, but two peeps will die. I hope it'll make you proud, but I think probably not. I'm still hoping though. I might even kill a horse or two or three too ..... Bad guy can't leave any witnesses behind!

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Try to sneak in a few civilian deaths and one or more kittens

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Nobody there cares about kittens.  A full-grown mouser is another matter.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Civilians. Check.
Kittens. Check.
Full-grown mouser. Check-ish - I think this is more dragon fodder?! tongue

ps - njc, that video almost got me to like cats ... almost. smile

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Stabbed where? Chest? Abdomen? Neck? Shoulder?

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

amy s wrote:

Stabbed where? Chest? Abdomen? Neck? Shoulder?

Now that you mention it, good question! smile

Abdomen. I'm thinking from a lower position in an upward drive movement kind of thing.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

OK I'm thinking.

Single stab wound depends on where it lands FYI, the abdomen is divided into four quadrants. Right Upper, Left upper, Right lower, and Left lower (Abbreviation is RUQ - with Q being 'quadrant'. 

The Japanese suicide by samurai would cut from low to up and then go across so that all four quadrants were taken out.

Death within 1 minute, you have to damage a big artery. Central going from top to bottom is the aorta. Another item to a life is the inferior vena cava(the big vein going back to the heart).  Another one is the splenic artery in between the left upper and lower quadrants.

If you bag the big vein going back to the liver, you go through the diaphragm and drop a lung. With the inability to breath and the blood loss, I'd guess a minute or two. And the person wouldn't be able to speak well.

Moving away from a single stab wound and traveling upward...hmmm.  Swords tend to get hung up on bones unless they are tempered or folded and have a wicked-sharp edge. That is why Samurai could slice themselves from stem to stern. English long words would probably not have the edge required to go through bone and meat.

I'd go with a thrust, impale the person, have the tip buried in their abdomen. Then have the (hopefully good guy) rock the sword out of their body or lever the slice upward as they pull the sword out. Releasing the weapon means that the blood starts to flow because the hole has been opened.

Realize that all these arteries are buried toward the back for protection. Therefore, you will perforate colon and small bowel at the same time. The only clean (blood only) death involves the spleen or liver. Note that if you carve open their abdominal wall, there is likely a spillage of guts out of the abdominal compartment.

Four to five minutes? Stab the liver or spleen. (RUQ and LUQ). 

Lingering death with peritonitis because of a perforated colon or small bowel? One to three days. Rotten way to die.

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

OK I'm thinking.

Single stab wound depends on where it lands FYI, the abdomen is divided into four quadrants. Right Upper, Left upper, Right lower, and Left lower (Abbreviation is RUQ - with Q being 'quadrant'. 

The Japanese suicide by samurai would cut from low to up and then go across so that all four quadrants were taken out.

Death within 1 minute? You have to damage a big artery. Going from top to bottom of the midline is the aorta. Another item to consider is the inferior vena cava(the big vein going back to the heart).  Another one is the splenic artery in between the left upper and lower quadrants.

If you bag the big vein going back to the liver, you go through the diaphragm and drop a lung. With the inability to breath and the blood loss, I'd guess a minute or two. And the person wouldn't be able to speak well.

Moving away from a single stab wound and traveling upward...hmmm.  Swords tend to get hung up on bones unless they are tempered or folded and have a wicked-sharp edge. That is why Samurai could slice themselves from stem to stern. English long swords would probably not have the edge required to go through bone and meat.

I'd go with a thrust, impale the person, have the tip buried in their abdomen. Then have the (hopefully good guy) rock the sword out of their body or lever the slice upward as they pull the sword out. Releasing the weapon means that the blood starts to flow because the hole has been opened.

Realize that all these arteries are buried toward the back for protection. Therefore, you will perforate colon and small bowel at the same time. The only clean (blood only) death involves the spleen or liver. Note that if you carve open their abdominal wall, there is likely a spillage of guts out of the abdominal compartment.

Four to five minutes? Stab the liver or spleen. (RUQ and LUQ). 

Lingering death with peritonitis because of a perforated colon or small bowel? One to three days. Rotten way to die.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Awesome info! You've given me several options how to do this - it will be either the 1-2 or the 4-5 minutes options. The last 1-3 days way I'm so going to use although maybe not this time around. And sorry, this one is for K - only good guys dies dead. The good news, you're going to find out who's the villainous villain! The bad news is, he's not dying yet. smile

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Thank you!

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Oh, what about a lower cut that opens a femoral artery near the abdomen?

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

One guy will be killed from behind with a dagger, so I'm thinking kidneys kind of area. Second guy will be killed facing the bad guy and the bad guy will use his dagger again (I think, might be sword, still trying to write this argh). Wonder if that will be able to clip the femoral artery? Because that will be freakin perfect.

Thanks njc!

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

For the femoral artery, think leg near the groin.  A wound that penetrated just right can open it in two directions.  Amy can give you a more detailed picture (but don't forget WikiP).

The ideal weapon might be the gladiius with its two razor-sharp edges.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Stab them with dirks.

Sorry, I'm just looking for a cameo. :-)

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

Save the 3-5 day death for the bad guy--or for someone the bad guy loves, if there is such a person.

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

a wide blade could catch both the femoral artery and vein. Makes it even quicker since these are such big vessels and veins don't have valves to force one-way flow. Therefore, the femoral vein would catch backflow from anything tied to the iliacs or the nearby kidneys.

Kidney lacerations bleed a lot, but they wouldn't kill in one to two minutes unless you bagged the renal artery/ vein. Most of the time they puncture the renal collecting system and there is a lot of urine mixed with the blood. If you are going for a quick scene, have them stabbed in the back and drop a  lung. It's more efficient. Or you could just make it a scalp wound. People can bleed to death from those (more like 10-20 minutes depending on whether or not an artery got cut)

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Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

What about the descending aorta and the inferior vena cava?  Aren't they in the general vicinity of the kidneys?

Re: NorthernSkies or NS - Janet

They connect to them both, actually. However, from the back, these two structures are mostly protected by the spine since they are in the midline. A medieval sword isn't razor sharp. It would be deflected by the bone and go into the soft tissue. I've never seen a stab wound to the back that went through the spine. A bullet is another story.