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Yes, I just read that her novel was second only to the Bible.

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  Buffalotales wrote:

Yes, I just read that her novel was second only to the Bible.

I hadn't heard that. I've been telling people the Bible would eventually overtake To Kill a Mockingbird

Memphis Trace

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The fictional character Jesus may overtake the popularity of the fictional character Scout, but then this makes Harper Lee into a Goddess who wrote the present-day bible of redemptive fiction that assuaged many of us to better understand the complexities good and evil, and love and hate.

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DANG.. I may get tarred and feathered as never was a fan of "To Kill A Mockingbird"   Perhaps if I read it now after so many years.. I might change my mind.

Patricia/Flo

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flowing pencil wrote:

DANG.. I may get tarred and feathered as never was a fan of "To Kill A Mockingbird"   Perhaps if I read it now after so many years.. I might change my mind.

Patricia/Flo

Whilst I do feel sympathy for the bereaved and respect for the recently passed author herself; bring on the those feathers and tar...

"To Kill A Mockingbird" ? I don't really get it. As childrens genre books go, it's okay I suppose...  but it never fired me like others that I've read and I never quite got what all the hype is about? I suppose that it was one of the first YA books and possibly defined the genre, although as a youngster growing-up in London, England I never really got the connotations from the inherent racial divisions within the deep south of the USA.  All I knew of America at the time was 'The Fonz' and 'Scooby Do'.  I thought that American teenagers were all forty year old sanitized rockers and that all cartoon mysteries shared the same plot and three punchlines.   

"To Kill A Mockingbird" sells well because it is one of the mandatory childrens book titles within the schools English Lit curriculum (at least here in the UK) and has been for decades. As I mention, I'm not particularity enamored with it as a novel, but I've had to personally purchase three copies, one for each of my children in-turn as they traverse the school system. Lord knows what they do with book when they are done with it, but each requires a new copy when it is their time (along with the obligatory Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, of Mice and Men and Shakespeare Plays).

Thousands and thousands of parents buying these books year upon year as a course requirement for their disinterested student kids because some misguided intellectual soul feels that it is a mandatory classic.

It's hardly a best-seller due to avid readers choosing the title from the bookstore after perusing the shelves looking for something interesting.

I remember my mum moaning about buying me copy when I was at school. Intensely studying a book that doesn’t interest you is an excruciating punishment for a young teenager and I think I lobbed it into a hedge the first chance I got.

My comments represent a personal opinion upon the book and fact as to why it it such a  big seller. I welcome a challenge and if anyone is willing to show me the error of my ways and extol the virtues of this novel in the form of a review, then pop over to 'the write club;' the creative writing and literature discussions group forum...

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums … group.html

...and we can debate the pros(e) and cons smile

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I was never assigned this book in school. I would have LOVED a class discussion of it. I read it as a child because my mother recommended it, and again as an adult (twice), also voluntarily.

I love it! I can't take the time to say why because I've got too much going on offline right now, but I too would love to see the pros and cons discussed. I have a friend (lit scholar) who didn't like it much the first time, but read it again and completely changed his mind. For me, it's just the idea of such an enormous issue being viewed through the eyes of a child, who is still forming her character as the book comes to life. I've always loved the character of Boo: the final scene with Scout, and the active choice she makes in that final scene (I'm being vague lest I spoil it for folks), which none of the adults around her make. Before the novel begins, there's a quote about how lawyers were once children, too. I love that quote because I feel it sets the whole tone of the book: this little girl is going to be a grown-up one day, and impact the world, and this summer of apparent innocence will be part of her history.

I don't know. It means a lot to me, but maybe it wouldn't if I was forced to read it against my will.

8 (edited by njc 2016-02-24 23:28:53)

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Children are asked to read a lot of things that don't interest them.  That's not a knock on the book.  It may be a knock on the teacher who can't or won't bother to infuse a little life into it.

In a sense it was the right book at the right time.  It has at least as much literary merit as Browning's =How We Brought the Good News from Ghent to Aix=, though maybe less that Sir W. Scott's =Marmion=, and both of those were once staples of primary to secondary education.  It could expose city kids to what it was like outside of the cities, and kids for whom racism was a distant threat to a taste of the real thing.

Harper Lee was not Shakespeare, nor Browning, nor Kipling, nor Scott.  She wrote a better than average book that spoke to her time and she was celebrated for it.  I think many of us would envy her.

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Y'all look up a book called Slake's Limbo. 15 years later, my son still wants to know why he was forced to read it.

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A respectful pause for the death of a gifted human being.

But come on, folks! She wrote ONE book! And while it was a great book in its day, it reads dated and b-o-r-i-n-g nowadays. I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people. How insulting in modern times to say that a whole race is unable to solve their problems without the benevolence of one white man!

She said what she had to say, and it struck a note, but that's all she had. There remain plenty of other problems of the human condition that still need tackling, and other talented writers are working on them.

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We may hope that  the milieu is dead and gone.  But are cruelty, courage, danger, and love ever dated topics?  I read the book for the first time when I was around 40, and I thought the book's reputation was honestly earned.

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Harper Lee RIP  You inspired us all.

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Dated yes, but tomorrow today will be dated.  The portrayals of the characters in Ms. Harper's novel certainly struck the hearts of most Americans, which is what, I believe, Ms. Harper intended to do.  She told a story and told it in such a way it branded readers everywhere.  Those days in our country, expecially that part of the country, were unique as are the days of present time.
She told it well.  Let's give her the applause she deserves.

And, let's remember she lived next door to Truman Capote.

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Stop a moment and think: All classic literature is dated. But the themes remain constant. Yes, let's give the lady her due credit.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

A respectful pause for the death of a gifted human being.

But come on, folks! She wrote ONE book! And while it was a great book in its day, it reads dated and b-o-r-i-n-g nowadays. I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people. How insulting in modern times to say that a whole race is unable to solve their problems without the benevolence of one white man!

She said what she had to say, and it struck a note, but that's all she had. There remain plenty of other problems of the human condition that still need tackling, and other talented writers are working on them.

Many civil rights lawyers credit the book as their first inspiration for becoming a civil rights lawyer. To Kill a Mockingbird was a bestselling novel and made into a movie that was nominated for 10 Academy Awards and won three. The book won a Pulitzer Prize.

Harper Lee published two books. Go Set a Watchman was published in July of 2015.

What have you done to tackle the other problems of the human condition?

Memphis Trace

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I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people.

Well, yes, something here does. smile

I'm not sure who your "come on, folks" is addressed to, jp? I'll assume I am among those you are addressing, since only a handful of us responded in this thread. I'll proceed under that assumption.

She said what she had to say, and it struck a note, but that's all she had.

This is not a sound argument. Whether To Kill a Mockingbird was Lee's first or thirtieth novel, it is a work of literature and stands as itself. Your argument only makes sense if you also say things like, "Golly, this nickel would be worth five cents! But I only have one, so it isn't." In which case I will assume you are merely defying logic as part of your routine.

... while it was a great book in its day, it reads dated and b-o-r-i-n-g nowadays.

It's a fallacy to assume that the inefficiency of your own imagination is necessarily a measure of a book or its readership at large. If you're merely stating your opinion here (not "To Kill a Mockingbird is boring," but "I found it boring," then I respect your opinion, for I am bored by mathematics and happen to know it interests many. If what you actually mean is that the book itself is constructed to bore the reader, I wish you'd share exactly how that is accomplished, and how I overlooked it with my overhanging imagination, which is forever tangling me up in a work intended to be uninteresting.

As for your suggestion that To Kill a Mockingbird is outdated (with a nod to the copyright on the inside bearing the numbers 1-9-6-0), I'll hazard to suggest that it is an old book. Shakespeare offers a defense of a Jewish man in The Merchant of Venice. Outdated, boring story, or a photograph of a voice in history which sought to make an impact? What of Huck Finn? The Diary of Anne Frank is about something that happened before To Kill a Mockingbird was a spark in Lee's eye. Outdated? Irrelevant?

How insulting in modern times to say that a whole race is unable to solve their problems without the benevolence of one white man!

Passing over your very outdated use of the word "race"...

So Mayella Ewell has no play in the novel? There is not a single thing to be done for her, and she is portrayed as both awful and incredibly human. That isn't a factor in the novel? It's just Tom Robinson and Atticus? Black and white? The Boo story is just something Lee cooked up for a side story, in no way tied to the novel's theme? Scout's efforts to maintain her own identity in the face of Alexandra's iron rule? Not at all relevant then or now? Dill Harris as the deserted boy longing for love? Not relevant today? The Cunninghams as the scourge of the town. All of that is irrelevant in this new utopian century?

I'm not sure what your goal was in posting above. From the opening "come on, folks," to your strange red herring remark about other problems in the world and other writers, you expend 110 words to say absolutely nothing.

If what you mean to say is, "Hello folks! I've read To Kill a Mockingbird, and I have to agree with Dill. I found it outdated, and boring, and I don't know why people seem to so like it. I too would love to hear about this topic, and I intend to respect the fact that we all have different viewpoints, as that is the very center, soul and purpose of art, isn't it now? Cordially yours, jp," then pardon me for the above.

If what you mean to suggest is that everyone who loves the novel is wrong, you should base your argument on something more solid than the novel's age, singularity, or your own inability to comprehend its implicit layers. As for me, it is as simple as a love of the story, the people, the town, the writing, Scout, Atticus, and the integrity I sense in the author herself. As an intelligent woman educated to know my own mind, I defy you to come up with the argument which will convince me I am actually as bored by the book as you are.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

A respectful pause for the death of a gifted human being.

But come on, folks! She wrote ONE book! And while it was a great book in its day, it reads dated and b-o-r-i-n-g nowadays. I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people. How insulting in modern times to say that a whole race is unable to solve their problems without the benevolence of one white man!

She said what she had to say, and it struck a note, but that's all she had. There remain plenty of other problems of the human condition that still need tackling, and other talented writers are working on them.

Um, she no longer holds the distinction of the one book wonder. Her second came out just a few months ago: Go Set a Watchman.

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Janet Taylor-Perry wrote:

Stop a moment and think: All classic literature is dated. But the themes remain constant. Yes, let's give the lady her due credit.

My opinion upon the book was a totally subjective comment. We studied 'to kill a mocking bird' in school as children because our teachers were screaming liberals and it was the done thing. In truth as an English child I was never within the gun sight of mocking bird's agenda. I read the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and loved it; Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and love, loved it. I read the Tale of Two Cities and love, love, loved it.  The Thirty Nine Steps  blew me away, my first page turner and I remember feigning illness to stay home because I couldn't put it down. Heart of Darkness and Frankenstein gripped me. These books, all classics in their own right raised emotions, led me on journey and rocked my young world. To kill a mocking bird did none of that to me. I never connected and I think that I resented the book because we weren't reading and studying something awesome and inspiring instead.

A straw poll in this house. My wife and three children all studied 'To kill a mocking bird' within their school curriculum and not one of them rates it as a favorite. No disrespect to the author... but it just didn't hit the spot. My kids? I couldn't pry the Harry Potter books, Tolkien, Suzanne Collins, Anthony Horowitz, Cassandra Clare or Rick Yancey from their grubby paws... but Harper lee holds nothing for them other than school work. They, like me remember it as a chore rather than a novel bound story that gripped.

My review of 'To Kill A Mocking Bird' combined with the reason I feel it is has achieved such a a success, follows in five words:

It has a great title.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

A respectful pause for the death of a gifted human being.

Lest we forget

j p lundstrom wrote:

I'd wager a guess that it even seems condescending to some people. .


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Excerpt - 'To Kill a Mocking Bird' by Harper Lee  Chapter 11  Page 107

"Scout," said Atticus, "nigger-lover is just one of those terms that don't mean anything—like snot-nose. It's hard to explain—ignorant, trashy people use it when they think somebody's favoring Negroes over and above themselves. It's slipped into usage with some people like ourselves, when they want a common, ugly term to label somebody."

"You aren't really a nigger-lover, then, are you?"

"I certainly am. I do my best to love everybody... I'm hard put, sometimes—baby, it's never an insult to be called what somebody thinks is a bad name. It just shows you how poor that person is, it doesn't hurt you."
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Condescending indeed. Downright cringe-worthy IMO  - Okay so the author is moralizing, teaching us about racism and fighting the good fight and that is a noble cause, a great message. But what a blunt and clunky way to convey the point. As unsubtle and contrived as a fender-sticker.

Talk about 'show, don't tell'! This has to be a classic example where prose should show us a view of racism via premise within a scene rather than cram the 'tell' message straight down our throats in case we don't have the capacity to understand anything shown within a story.

The passages above are as wooden and contrived as sanctimonious moralizing within a government information leaflet, IMO

Great stories, the ones I love always make me feel and care about something without actually mentioning the 'thing' directly...  rather than directly telling  me what to think and feel.

If Lee had written a Gothic Horror Vampire novel in the style of Mocking Bird.....   

"You are really a neck biting half bat, half human, on the side of evil who sleeps by day in a coffin, then, are you?"

"I certainly am. I do my best to bite everybody... ."

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Every story is dated before it is even written as there are arguably only seven basic plots (give or take a few according to individual fine tuning), so there is nothing new under the sun; but some of those so-called dated works are vastly superior to others. To Kill a Mockingbird in its telling just happens to be one of those superior ones to a great many folks. Would that we aspiring writers and critics could all be so outdated and flawed. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

Every story is dated before it is even written as there are arguably only seven basic plots (give or take a few according to individual fine tuning), so there is nothing new under the sun; but some of those so-called dated works are vastly superior to others. To Kill a Mockingbird in its telling just happens to be one of those superior ones to a great many folks. Would that we aspiring writers and critics could all be so outdated and flawed. Take care. Vern


If the Mocking Bird prose was published here as unknown text from and unknown author, it'd get ripped to bits.

It is great because it is a part of the racist re-education agenda and in that sense it is brilliant and has done a great job.

But don't tell me anyone is loving the prose for its literary value, or the story for its ingenuity. It is an effective blunt tool to show the morally impaired of the unimaginative variety the error of their ways. Tug the simpletons heartstrings, a moral lesson; a sermon. 

Dress it up any way you want.... but show me the awesome prose; those passages that blow you away?

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Sorry, Poppa saying "I certainly am" feels to me like a great moment in personal courage, a slap in the face of a wicked orthodoxy.  Maybe it's better theater than prose, but I read the two together.

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njc wrote:

Sorry, Poppa saying "I certainly am" feels to me like a great moment in personal courage, a slap in the face of a wicked orthodoxy.  Maybe it's better theater than prose, but I read the two together.

I certainly understand 'the device', the power that is within the sentiment, but it is crudely scripted. The stock answer in reply to the loaded question in order to control the audience. Like a pantomime script.

"....ignorant, trashy people use it when they think somebody's favoring Negroes over and above themselves. It's slipped into usage with some people like ourselves..."

The message is noble, but the delivery is as contrived, unsubtle and wooden as a 1940's government information broadcast.

I talk about literature all of the time. I  discuss it with anyone interested. I trawl the net for discussions and interaction upon the subject. I've been here on tNBW for ten years discussing literature; talking and listening.

I've never heard anyone spontaneously extol the virtues of 'To Kill a Mocking Bird' for its literary genius. No one here on tNBW has mentioned it or recommended it.

It will dutifully appear in a few 'great book' lists but that's because of its socialistic nature, not the plot or the writing. It is politically correct to like the book. It was a vanguard event in the campaign against racism using the 'south' of America as the anvil and a heinous crime and racial injustice as the hammer. It spoke out, when little else was speaking out and that in itself is it greatness.

It is book that very probably affected the world, re-aligned socially conditioned thinking, feelings and assumptions in places where racism was institutional.  It has probably done more, or as much good for society than any novel in modern time, certainly more than any superbly written novel that entertains exquisitely with wonderful fiction within fine prose and twisty intelligent plot.

If you engage in a sociology discussion and the subject is racism in the USA; then 'Mocking Bird' is most likely to pop up. 

It is great, like the discovery of penicillin. It is great for what is does for society, not for how it reads as art. 

It is so sad that such a novel was/is needed.

Harper Lee has left her mark upon this world and will never be forgotten.

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Dill Carver wrote:
flowing pencil wrote:

DANG.. I may get tarred and feathered as never was a fan of "To Kill A Mockingbird"   Perhaps if I read it now after so many years.. I might change my mind.

Patricia/Flo



Hello Flo and Dill,
In blue, with you two, I will interleave my experiences about loving To Kill a Mockingbird for most of my life as an aspiring reader and an aspiring writer, and now as I come into the end zone of a life, about my experience in trying to figure out what the big fuss was all about.

Whilst I do feel sympathy for the bereaved and respect for the recently passed author herself; bring on the those feathers and tar...

"To Kill A Mockingbird" ? I don't really get it. As childrens genre books go, it's okay I suppose...  but it never fired me like others that I've read and I never quite got what all the hype is about? I suppose that it was one of the first YA books and possibly defined the genre, although as a youngster growing-up in London, England I never really got the connotations from the inherent racial divisions within the deep south of the USA.  All I knew of America at the time was 'The Fonz' and 'Scooby Do'.  I thought that American teenagers were all forty year old sanitized rockers and that all cartoon mysteries shared the same plot and three punchlines.

I grew up in a remote Virginia town that had no transparent racial divisions because there were no blacks—no blacks, as in zero blacks—to segregate from or integrate with. I was pretty much an innocent, untrained bigot. The only experience I remember with a black man before I went away to university came at about 4 years old (1947). My father took me with him to some place of business in Big Stone Gap, Virginia, and during his conduct of business I managed to wander away from him. When he found me, I was sitting across the street on a stone wall, helping a black man leaned against the wall eat a box of doughnuts. My father, scared white (from his usually rosy glow), caught up to me and shook me good before he hugged me with tears in his eyes and wanted to know what I was doing running off when he told me to stay put. I told him, I followed a blue man with a box of doughnuts.

It was enough to make him laugh, and to make the escapade memorable enough that he told the story—with my punchine—every time he got the chance. Otherwise, I think I would have forgotten it. I went through my formative years not knowing I was supposed to hate, fear, pity, feel intellectually superior to, and sexually inferior to blacks. When I strayed out into the educated parts of the South (1961), where the young people had grown up being taught how they should integrate with blacks, I was quickly uptrained about why I "was supposed to hate, fear, pity, feel intellectually superior to, and sexually inferior to blacks."

I learned about blacks in my early 20s in the early 1960s; about the same way I learned about girls in the early 60s: From other young people who knew even less about them than I did, but who had been taught to avoid them unless I was somehow using them for my purposes.

Having 3 sisters, I did not much see how it was right for me to use girls for my purposes, but the girls didn't always co-operate. I fell in love with most every one of them who'd give me a second glance without body slamming me.

Within a year or two of this, I read To Kill a Mockingbird. It was early in my aspirations to become a reader of good stories. I was attracted by the title, and probably recommendations, and I went into it with the burgeoning feeling that I liked words enough that someday I'd be able to write books that would win the Pulitzer Prize and make me rich and famous.   

"To Kill A Mockingbird" sells well because it is one of the mandatory childrens book titles within the schools English Lit curriculum (at least here in the UK) and has been for decades. As I mention, I'm not particularity enamored with it as a novel, but I've had to personally purchase three copies, one for each of my children in-turn as they traverse the school system. Lord knows what they do with book when they are done with it, but each requires a new copy when it is their time (along with the obligatory Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, of Mice and Men and Shakespeare Plays).

I'm guessing, without knowing anything about it, that a lot of copies of To Kill a Mockingbird were bought by the parents of high school students in the north of the U. S. of A. required to read it. I am guessing that a lot of copies were bought by students in the south of the U. S. of A. because it wasn't allowed to be taught in their schools. I'm also guessing that a lot of copies were bought by students because their parents and preachers and other guiding lights were condemning it as a nigger-loving, Communist plot to deflower Southern white girls. A perfect storm to make it a classic.

Thousands and thousands of parents buying these books year upon year as a course requirement for their disinterested student kids because some misguided intellectual soul feels that it is a mandatory classic.

I'm guessing there was more than one intellectual soul who decided it was something that should be read and discussed at the high school level. Just as, I'm guessing there was more than one intellectual soul who decided it should be banned at the high school level. Between them, these intellectual souls were unwittingly conspiring to create the classic it has become.

It's hardly a best-seller due to avid readers choosing the title from the bookstore after perusing the shelves looking for something interesting.

I'm guessing that you are right that all the controversy surrounding the story is a big driving force for why To Kill a Mockingbird continues to rival the Bible in sales, at least in the southern U. S. of A.

I remember my mum moaning about buying me copy when I was at school. Intensely studying a book that doesn’t interest you is an excruciating punishment for a young teenager and I think I lobbed it into a hedge the first chance I got.

Were you old enough to have an opinion about what constituted great prose when you were lobbing it into the hedge? When I read it I wasn't. It resonated with me for the same reason cowboy movies resonated with me. It drew a clear cut picture of a young person wanting to know about niggers for a young person who wanted to know about niggers. It drew a clear cut picture of a courageous parent charged with drawing that picture for her in a hostile environment. For me, it was the right story at the right time.

No doubt, my being ignorant of what constituted great prose at that stage of my aspirations to read great prose contributed to my deciding, and maintaining for 45 years, that it was my favorite book. I can't speak for the Pulitzer judges, nor do I know their criteria for selecting their prize winners.

My comments represent a personal opinion upon the book and fact as to why it it such a  big seller. I welcome a challenge and if anyone is willing to show me the error of my ways and extol the virtues of this novel in the form of a review, then pop over to 'the write club;' the creative writing and literature discussions group forum...

I bought a 50th Anniversary copy of the book about 5 years ago as part of my program to see how much the classics I've liked at first reading have improved as I've learned to read better. I was stunned about how I could no longer suspend my disbelief about Atticus. He came across as a cardboard character. It made me wish I wasn't such a great judge of a story.

Thankfully, I was able to forgive Ms. Lee when I read Go Set a Watchman and saw that Atticus was actually more heroic than I thought when I encountered him as a young and foolish dreamer, looking for a hero about race.

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forums … group.html

I still haven't read To Kill a Mockingbird for the purposes of judging the greatness of the prose. I can say, though, that each time I read it, it struck me as rich and efficient reading in which the writing did not detract from the reading.

...and we can debate the pros(e) and cons smile

To be able to add anything meaningful to a debate about the prose, I would have to read the story again with the idea of picking nits. So far I've read it twice and I can't keep my workshop mentality forefront. I become immersed in the story and forget that it is writing instead of reading.

Memphis

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Memphis Trace wrote:

Were you old enough to have an opinion about what constituted great prose when you were lobbing it into the hedge?....

I didn't choose the prose, it found me. I simply followed my nose and liked what I liked and couldn't be doing with anything that didn't grab me (even when I'd been told that I should like or not). As I mentioned up the thread a way, at that time I read the Adventures of Tom Sawyer and loved it; Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and love, loved it. I read the Tale of Two Cities and love, love, loved it.  The Thirty Nine Steps blew me away, my first page turner and I remember feigning illness to stay home because I couldn't put it down. Heart of Darkness and Frankenstein gripped me. These books, all classics in their own right raised emotions, led me on a journey and rocked my young world. To kill a mocking bird did none of that to me. I never connected and I think that I resented the book because we weren't reading and studying something awesome and inspiring instead…

Memphis Trace wrote:

I grew up in a remote Virginia town that had no transparent racial divisions because there were no blacks—no blacks, as in zero blacks—to segregate from or integrate with. I was pretty much an innocent, untrained bigot. The only experience I remember with a black man before I went away to university came at about 4 years old (1947). My father took me with him to some place of business in Big Stone Gap, Virginia, and during his conduct of business I managed to wander away from him. When he found me, I was sitting across the street on a stone wall, helping a black man leaned against the wall eat a box of doughnuts.

I grew up as a component of the stew within the melting pot of a decayed empire; in Battersea in South London, England. We lived amongst racial hatred and intolerance. The African Hutu and Tutsi people hated each other, Somalians and Nigerians also hated each other and all Africans hated the Afro-Caribbean’s. The Pakistanis hated the Indians and the sentiment was reciprocated. The Muslims of Sunni or Shia extraction hated each other and both sects hated the Hindus who also hated the Sikhs who both hated all Muslims. The Irish Catholics and Ulster Protestants were at war with each other who along with the Scots, hated the English. The Turks didn’t discriminate they were out to get you whoever you were. Everyone hated the French (although no one had ever seen one), and distrusted the Jews that dress like ZZ-Top/Boy George fusion band members and anyone at all from North London.

As a young child I was mixed in with my fellow children, the offspring of all of the above. The adults were the problem because we, the kids, didn’t care. You are right, racism is definitely taught. 

My mother took in foster kids; the orphans and unwanted until they were placed with adoptive families. One boy, Paul was the illegitimate and unwanted son of an unidentified African American airman from a USSAF Airbase in East Anglia and a local Suffolk (hick country) girl of 15yrs age who’d swapped sexual favours for Coca-Cola and cheeseburgers. Paul became my brother and was adopted, a part of our family; the favourite child for fifteen years and deservedly so for he was the finest human beings I’ve met to date. He was killed whilst in the service of the British Army by USAAF ‘friendly fire’ in the Middle East. Ironic; they come back for their own. That’s my novel in the wings, the story of Paul.  Anyway I digress; save to say that my own perspective of racism was very different than if I’d been raised in rural Alabama during the ‘50s and ‘60s As such I never really got the racist angle to ‘Mocking Bird’. To me it was a tale of injustice or wrongful accusation. I never understood the gulf between black and white people in this southern part of the USA. After all, the USA derived telly and movies that we saw were brimming with characters played by Bill Cosby, Sidney Poitier, Danny Glover, Eddie Murphy the stateliest American of them all seemed to be Morgan Freeman. American music seemed to me to be the Jackson Five, Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross… etc. etc. The concept that one race held such social power over the other was lost on me. I never understood why the black guy couldn’t simply tell the white guy to ‘piss off’ whilst he cheerily clumped him on the hooter.