51 Reply by vern (edited by vern 2015-11-22 16:07:12)

Re: Suggestion for inline review points

njc wrote:

Star Trek, (ToS) episode Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi7QQ5pO7_A

I remember it well and agree, to a point. I would still go more for the odd couple of Kermit and Miss Piggy and (s)he is still jealous of my singing, lol, as noted earlier. Take care. Vern
http://thekidshouldseethis.com/post/69895716262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGfX1QV4hfw

Edited for lilnks

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vern wrote:

Do you know what a change is? Is the point system now proportional to the number of comments?


No one suggested that. You only insist that this be that because you think the points system sucks with any change or no change to the inline review reward of points. My suggestion refers in technicality to the fixed number of comments (5) for a reviewer to be awarded no points or fifty points, and to you, that would be a change in points system because you think you'd rather do less for more in the context of a points system you find onerous, or certainly irrelevant, either way.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

Do you know what a change is? Is the point system now proportional to the number of comments?


No one suggested that.

Then who started this thread with;

Charles F Bell wrote:

. . that the number of points be proportional to the number of comments left.

That was/is your first comment in this thread. Oh wait, that must've been your other self, the one you keep arguing with in your ever changing claims: I did suggest that, no I didn't, yes I did. Geez, neither of you knows what the other says I guess. Perhaps one of you should take charge of what you post. Maybe you should have a conference and get your story straight before sharing both viewpoints with the world. Just maybe, then you wouldn't contradict yourself or each other as the case may be; it's really hard to figure out who is who with all the different opposing personalities springing from your imagination.

Of course my offer still stands to withdraw UNLESS.... If just one of you accept, then you might at least defend whichever position you choose and not foolishly try to change mine in whatever rational state hopefully remains; it's there for the reading. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

Of course my offer still stands to withdraw UNLESS.... If just one of you accept, then you might at least defend whichever position you choose and not foolishly try to change mine in whatever rational state hopefully remains; it's there for the reading. Take care. Vern

Your repetition of how annoying the point system to you is annoying.  Once that anyone, and that has been of the majority here, wants to discuss the idea of making the comments in inline reviews proportional, rather than fixed at five, to the number of words being reviewed, I'd be happy to have a sensible and polite conversation that you are incapable of having.

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Charles F Bell wrote:

Your repetition of how annoying the point system to you is annoying.

Which one of you is talking now? Whichever it is, please point out one instance where I've said the point system is annoying. You've ignored past invitations to produce any such evidence of your imagined take on my position, but you fail to do so because you can't do it; it doesn't exist. I'm not sure why you can't accept that after it being shown to you repeatedly, but then it is sometimes hard to control such delusions. I wish you luck with conquering them. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

Your repetition of how annoying the point system to you is annoying.

Which one of you is talking now? Whichever it is, please point out one instance where I've said the point system is annoying.


In every reply you insist there be a necessary change in the point system whereby the 5-comments can be changed (a false premise) as per my suggestion, and further argue that since the point system is taken advantage of in any way that it is or could be change into (a whine), therefore you allege by false representation of my suggestion there be a change in the point system that doubly sucks, as far as you are concerned, because you don't want to change either --- tangentially suggesting to everyone that the point system is both sucky and irrelevant, and it is all about making virtual friends irrespective of the points system. Never once addressing my suggestion per dictum, it has all been about point system you hate and nothing truthful about my suggestion.

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vern wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

I never was suggesting a change to the point system

Really? What is this:

Charles F Bell wrote:

. . that the number of points be proportional to the number of comments left.

Do you know what a change is? Is the point system now proportional to the number of comments? If not, and I assume you wouldn’t be asking for it to be if it were, then that would constitute a change. Of course you can close your eyes and imagine it to be otherwise as you do most every other point brought up. You read into things only what you want to see. Another case in point:

Charles F Bell wrote:

The 'crux' is you never once commented on my suggestion about the fixed number of comments it takes to post an inline review

If you read things instead of just making up what you wish was there, then you might see I’ve been commenting on your suggestion from the beginning which of course is your problem, you don't like the differing opinions. The following begins my first comment:

vern wrote:

From one who typically leaves comments numbered well over the minimum and often into the teens and beyond, I fail to see how basing the points on the number of comments would increase the number of reviewers getting to the end of a story.

Charles F Bell wrote:

you chose to offer opinion on nothing I mentioned and voiced repeatedly how the points system sucks because it is for fools who think it can work without being taken advantage of.

As always, you try to inject things you imagine. I gave an opinion on everything you suggested, you just didn't like that opinion and so chose to try to somehow turn it into me criticizing the current system. Show me one instance where I said the current points system "sucks" or "is for fools." You can't because it is strictly from your warped imagination. You want to call that rude; if the shoe fits, wear it.

I have stated that no points system is perfect and that would definitely include yours whether you admit it is a change or not. And I have stated repeatedly that the current system already does everything you think your suggestion would add to the system if used properly and not merely doing the bare minimum. I have also stated that if someone wants to take advantage of the system (or any system) they can. Do you deny that? And your suggestion would not change the fact that someone can take advantage of the system if that is their purpose. Anyone can give a shoddy or incomplete review just for the points if they so desire and that is true of any system, not a criticism of this system specifically. I doubt any "rational" person could believe that any point system could not be taken advantage of. Now, you tell me how that equates to saying this system "sucks" or "is for fools" as you spout. And you might try using my words in context, not ones from your foggy imagination. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

... I would still go more for the odd couple of Kermit and Miss Piggy and (s)he is still jealous of my singing, lol, as noted earlier. ...

Never argue with anything bigger than you can lift? smile

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njc wrote:
vern wrote:

... I would still go more for the odd couple of Kermit and Miss Piggy and (s)he is still jealous of my singing, lol, as noted earlier. ...

Never argue with anything bigger than you can lift? smile

Good point, lol. Take care. Vern

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Charles F Bell wrote:

you chose to offer opinion on nothing I mentioned and voiced repeatedly how the points system sucks because it is for fools who think it can work without being taken advantage of.

vern wrote:

As always, you try to inject things you imagine. I gave an opinion on everything you suggested,

No. you didn't. You created a strawman to knock in your desire to criticize the points system.

vern wrote:

I have stated that no points system is perfect

You said it's pretty crappy.

vern wrote:

And I have stated repeatedly that the current system already does everything you think your suggestion would add to the system if used properly and not merely doing the bare minimum.


That's the strawman which is not my suggestion. If the number of comments for inline review were already proportional to the length of the reviewed piece, I would not suggest it.

vern wrote:

I have also stated that if someone wants to take advantage of the system (or any system) they can. Do you deny that?

Yeah, you've said it's pretty crappy, haven't you? repeatedly. Too bad it has nothing to do with my suggestion.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

you chose to offer opinion on nothing I mentioned and voiced repeatedly how the points system sucks because it is for fools who think it can work without being taken advantage of.

vern wrote:

As always, you try to inject things you imagine. I gave an opinion on everything you suggested,

No. you didn't. You created a strawman to knock in your desire to criticize the points system.

vern wrote:

I have stated that no points system is perfect

You said it's pretty crappy.

vern wrote:

And I have stated repeatedly that the current system already does everything you think your suggestion would add to the system if used properly and not merely doing the bare minimum.


That's the strawman which is not my suggestion. If the number of comments for inline review were already proportional to the length of the reviewed piece, I would not suggest it.

vern wrote:

I have also stated that if someone wants to take advantage of the system (or any system) they can. Do you deny that?

Yeah, you've said it's pretty crappy, haven't you? repeatedly. Too bad it has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Okay, Charles, this has been interesting, but since you (to include both versions of you) don’t appear to have the capacity and/or desire to understand plain English and respond in a rational manner, I will tax myself to refrain from trying to converse with the equivalent of a two-faced stump.  I have no delusions that this will really be the end, so don’t be surprised to see this message reiterated upon any further/continuing nonsense on your part. Until then. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

you chose to offer opinion on nothing I mentioned and voiced repeatedly how the points system sucks because it is for fools who think it can work without being taken advantage of.

vern wrote:

As always, you try to inject things you imagine. I gave an opinion on everything you suggested,

No. you didn't. You created a strawman to knock in your desire to criticize the points system.

vern wrote:

I have stated that no points system is perfect

You said it's pretty crappy.

vern wrote:

And I have stated repeatedly that the current system already does everything you think your suggestion would add to the system if used properly and not merely doing the bare minimum.


That's the strawman which is not my suggestion. If the number of comments for inline review were already proportional to the length of the reviewed piece, I would not suggest it.

vern wrote:

I have also stated that if someone wants to take advantage of the system (or any system) they can. Do you deny that?

Yeah, you've said it's pretty crappy, haven't you? repeatedly. Too bad it has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Okay, Charles, this has been interesting, but since you (to include both versions of you) don’t appear to have the capacity and/or desire to understand plain English and respond in a rational manner,

It is actually quite easy to keep this going ad infinitum because you have no intellectual or factual content to convey and are a hamster on wheel turning on ad hominem, invective, insults, and lies. The subject of the discussion proceeded amongst others without your having entered it, and I gather that for those who care, a tweak to proportion the required comments to finish an inline review is desirable if not pressing change inasmuch as laziness, tiredness, or simply not caring to read the rest of a long chapter or story is a tempting surrender of responsibility, and those who otherwise finish, sometimes wading through a mass of tedious grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors beyond just the five in the first paragraph do so for reasons other than for the points. However, you and those who claim the points are not the point care not a whit about the point system for those bound to it.

I don't like hamsters, and God's kind mercy is that they do not live long.

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63 Reply by njc

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See the entry for The Hamster.
You're welcome.

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

you chose to offer opinion on nothing I mentioned and voiced repeatedly how the points system sucks because it is for fools who think it can work without being taken advantage of.

vern wrote:

As always, you try to inject things you imagine. I gave an opinion on everything you suggested,

No. you didn't. You created a strawman to knock in your desire to criticize the points system.

vern wrote:

I have stated that no points system is perfect

You said it's pretty crappy.

vern wrote:

And I have stated repeatedly that the current system already does everything you think your suggestion would add to the system if used properly and not merely doing the bare minimum.


That's the strawman which is not my suggestion. If the number of comments for inline review were already proportional to the length of the reviewed piece, I would not suggest it.

vern wrote:

I have also stated that if someone wants to take advantage of the system (or any system) they can. Do you deny that?

Yeah, you've said it's pretty crappy, haven't you? repeatedly. Too bad it has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Okay, Charles, this has been interesting, but since you (to include both versions of you) don’t appear to have the capacity and/or desire to understand plain English and respond in a rational manner, I will tax myself to refrain from trying to converse with the equivalent of a two-faced stump.  I have no delusions that this will really be the end, so don’t be surprised to see this message reiterated upon any further/continuing nonsense on your part. Until then. Take care. Vern

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vern wrote:

Okay, Charles, this has been interesting, but since you (to include both versions of you) don’t appear to have the capacity and/or desire to understand plain English and respond in a rational manner, I will tax myself to refrain from trying to converse with the equivalent of a two-faced stump.  I have no delusions that this will really be the end, so don’t be surprised to see this message reiterated upon any further/continuing nonsense on your part. Until then.

It is actually quite easy to keep this going ad infinitum because you have no intellectual or factual content to convey and are a hamster on wheel turning on ad hominem, invective, insults, and lies. The subject of the discussion proceeded amongst others without your having entered it, and I gather that for those who care, a tweak to proportion the required comments to finish an inline review is desirable if not pressing change inasmuch as laziness, tiredness, or simply not caring to read the rest of a long chapter or story is a tempting surrender of responsibility, and those who otherwise finish, sometimes wading through a mass of tedious grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors beyond just the five in the first paragraph do so for reasons other than for the points. However, you and those who claim the points are not the point care not a whit about the point system for those bound to it.

I don't like hamsters, and God's kind mercy is that they do not live long.

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Ahh, Charles, I missed you; hope you had as wonderful a Thanksgiving as did I. Take care. Vern

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Although this thread has gone off the rails, I'm in the mood for fun. This may have already been suggested, but points could be proportional to the number of comments left. No minimums, no maximums. If you do a detailed review, whether regular or inline, you get more points than the lazy drive-by reviewers looking for a few quick points. That being said, I've only ever had one reviewer come in, leave five comments at the beginning, then bail saying that he had no helpful feedback to give. Had he left before leaving the fifth comment, I could have respected that. In my case, I've found reviewers who are very helpful to me and work hard to keep them. Since they do better reviews than I do (not for lack of trying), I reciprocate by reading more of their work than they do of mine.

Fire away.
Dirk

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

Although this thread has gone off the rails, I'm in the mood for fun. This may have already been suggested, but points could be proportional to the number of comments left. No minimums, no maximums. If you do a detailed review, whether regular or inline, you get more points than the lazy drive-by reviewers looking for a few quick points. That being said, I've only ever had one reviewer come in, leave five comments at the beginning, then bail saying that he had no helpful feedback to give. Had he left before leaving the fifth comment, I could have respected that. In my case, I've found reviewers who are very helpful to me and work hard to keep them. Since they do better reviews than I do (not for lack of trying), I reciprocate by reading more of their work than they do of mine.

Fire away.
Dirk

Yes, indeed, thank you for addressing my actual suggestion -- until unfortunately you feel the urge to trail with ... however ... let us remember we're here to have fun and make friends.  Moreover, it is exactly my point that it is not true that If you do a detailed review, whether regular or inline, you get more points than the lazy drive-by reviewers looking for a few quick points -- that, in fact, the lazy/incompetent/tired reviewer can get 5 points leaving a 5-comment review for 10,000 word chapter and get 0.5 points leaving a 5-comment review for a 1,000 word chapter, doing exactly the same amount of work for both, so that there is an incentive to pick many short chapters and ignore long chapters but also an incentive to pick long, point-heavy chapters in ratio of 10:1, here, do a crappy 5-comment review, and piss off only the one 1:10 ratio of authors.

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I agree with Charles. There's always a risk at a site like this that someone will be a gigantic ass.

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

That being said, I've only ever had one reviewer come in, leave five comments at the beginning, then bail saying that he had no helpful feedback to give. Had he left before leaving the fifth comment, I could have respected that.

corra wrote:

I agree with Charles. There's always a risk at a site like this that someone will be a gigantic ass.

Okay, assuming proper social behavior does not have to include "making friends" but rather acting in a way that is remote but honest, what is not to respect of one offering five comments/suggestions and bailing with a final comment that the work is not something than can be fully appreciated by the reviewer. Is there some TNBW social prerequisite to review only that which one likes (in genre, style, subject, etc.) or, according to Dirk, be self-sacrificial and get nothing at all for whatever time and effort expended by leaving no more than 4 comments ? Is it bad to have started in on something that turns out to be dull, boring, etc. and then drop away (and taking points)? What I think is not to be respected is to do the same adding another a comment or two spread on down the chapter and then leaving no mention -- dull, boring, insipid -- other than the "good work, interesting" etc. (and taking points)?

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