1 (edited by max keanu 2015-05-22 21:11:34)

Topic: Grammarly

Grammarly... holy crap! This is not only a great spell checker but it pays my bills, does my taxes and writes my probation office kind letters about me monthly (kidding). I am a notoriously bad speller and I was arrested for bad grammar last year.

Anyway, Grammarly appears to come FREE as an add-on to the Safari browser. I'm waiting for the ax to fall: max keanu, you have used Grammaerly for your trial period of XX days and now you must pay big bucks for it.

What gives? U use it? Will the ax fall?

Tanks,måx

Later, I read this:
http://grammarist.com/articles/grammarly-review/

I guess it is not as holy crappy as I thought it was. But still, I'm severly lacking in grmmatical skills. After reading this, do you think you might be also?

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That was an interesting read, Max. When I tried entering a sample input on their web page, it correctly identified my work as being plagiarized. Intrigued by this, I sent them an email asking them if there was a switch that would turn off the search for similar text. They seemed scandalized that I would ask such a thing. I wrote back and gave them my reasoning: I am proofing my already published novel before posting it on a writer's review site and need to save the time and effort their program spends searching out what I know it will find. Still, no dice. So I responded that my purchase was 'no dice' either.

~Tom

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As I said on another thread, I use Grammarly and find it helpful. It's not going make  your writing perfect but some of the suggestions have been useful. I use the free plugin on Chrome. I have not upgraded to the Premium version. I think it's worth it to give it a try and see what you think. You can always uninstall it.

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I need all the help I can get, human or virtual, so this I will use and AutoCrit. AutoCrit gives me a heads-up when reviewing, but I 've learned not to depend on it either. These applications for writing need to be taken with a gain of salt, or two aspirin when they start driving you crazy.

I also use ediminion.com. It's fast and tells me details, such as, which words Ambrose Brice focused on, lol.

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If I had a nickel for every comma mistake it catches, I could pay for the darn things.  Just sayin.  I did look at a review site for grammar programs and there is one which is touted to be better with a lower price.  Can't remember the name but I will fine it.  Mike

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Mike Roberson wrote:

If I had a nickel for every comma mistake it catches, I could pay for the darn things.  Just sayin.  I did look at a review site for grammar programs and there is one which is touted to be better with a lower price.  Can't remember the name but I will fine it.  Mike

Thanks. I'm interested.

7 (edited by Tom Oldman 2015-05-23 00:41:23)

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I just gave editminion.com a try. I love it! It is purely non-judgmental and flags everything I though it should have. I haven't given it a really good test text, so as soon as I can devise a few paragraphs to hit it with, I'll report back on how well it did.

~Tom

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Whitesmoke is the program the review recommnded.  It is only 79.95.  I have the free grammarly but have not tried whitesmoke.  Mike

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I have a free membership with Grammarly through my college and I love it. I am actually in the process of doing another round of edits on my published books with it (because nothing is ever perfect). Grammarly isn't the be all end all, but it is really good. I would guess the article you linked to is old and that Grammarly has improved on its service since then. I ran the first 5 examples through and Grammarly caught all of the mistakes the article says it missed.

I've used editminion and liked it, but I now have a membership with autocrit and that one is really good for non-grammatical editing.

10 (edited by max keanu 2015-05-23 17:58:38)

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Tom Oldman wrote:

I just gave editminion.com a try. I love it! It is purely non-judgmental and flags everything I though it should have. I haven't given it a really good test text, so as soon as I can devise a few paragraphs to hit it with, I'll report back on how well it did.

~Tom


editminion... fast, simple, strunky and that tribute to Ambrose Brice is pretty cool

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This may sound weird, but how about using a printed-on-paper, full-on Webster's Dictionary? I bought one years ago. It will always trump spell-check. For me, at least. Think about that alternative.

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Well I also have severe problems with grammar because I was not taught it due to a UK 'teaching fashion' in the 60's. I believe grammar is important, BUT, it won't make unimaginative writing good, my Mum was a school teacher who proof read for me and corrected everything.  There were times though I had to stand by my writing, I wanted a rhythm to the sentence, an out of field alliteration. Just be honest to what you want the pace and rhythm to be. Look at James Joyce if you really want to free your nodes, after all he didn't do too bad...

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Just remember Spell check in the U.S. is different from the Queen's English. AND!!!! It often gives you the WRONG grammar. I don't know how many times it's underlined it's to tell me to make it its. But it's supposed to be the contraction. The program is only as good as the programmer. Dunecan has a point--Sometimes you want your grammar to be off for emphasis or some other reason. And there are totally free online dictionaries. I still have my unabridged big old hard cover dictionary, but it won't have any new words that the online one will have. The OED adds words every year. And just be sure to get proofreaders and/or an editor. We editors can make a world of difference!

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I like going to the grammar girl blog when I'm in doubt. She does a great job of explaining grammar rules in easy to understand ways.

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You just can't depend on a computer program to fine-tune your  work. There isn't any program yet that can understand, evaluate and apply such a dynamic thing as language. It's like my friend in school who thought "quelle frommage" (said in jest) meant "too cheese," because the textbook, her only reference, told her "quelle dommage" meant "too bad."
That's why we're here, isn't it? To help each other get things right.
If you want to use English "improperly" to help define a character, it's perfectly all right. Great writers have done that for ages. I don't know where I learned this, but in my long-ago, nearly-forgotten youth I was told if you can speak the language, you can write it. Or maybe I made it up, to keep my students from freezing at the thought of writing.
Just say it, and write down what you said, and grammar be damned.  JP

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Share that link, penang. JP, grammar can be fixed in edits. Yes! Just write and let the editors/proofreaders help with the grammar. BUT if you DO know how to do it correctly (note-use of adverb) do so the first time. I'm referring to narrative. Dialogue is a different animal altogether.

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here's the link to her blog. Grammar Girl
You can search for topics with the search feature at the top of the site.
I've always been a bit leery of the MS Word spelling and grammar check, and I was the same with Grammarly. I kept ignoring all of the "punctuation with two clauses" errors Grammarly was throwing at me. I finally went to Grammar Girl to double check and sure enough I was missing a whole bunch of commas. That said, when I went be to Grammarly, it did suggest a few unnecessary commas. Whatever system you have for checking spelling and grammar you have to put it into context and read the sentence again before making the change.

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Thanks, Penang.  I went to the Grammar Girl site and read the current posts. They were easy to read, and informed. I particularly enjoyed the discussion of Lewis Carroll, a topic with which I'm familiar. The experience was easy for me, but I still think that the person who lacks grammatical background, either from inattention or poor instruction, or maybe learning disability, will not profit from a discussion of grammar. The mere sight of so many options, including the "bad" examples, is so daunting a person will never start. Once again, I say, if you can say it, you can write it and make sense. There's not a single one of us who can write without misspellings and typos. Why feel bad about it?

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Well said JP, Mike

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I don't know if this is the best place to post this but on the topic of online grammar checking programs, I have found pro writing aid to be useful.  It has an extensive free version (much more comprehensive than the free version of autocrit for example) and seems to get better reviews than grammarly.  It has both a basic (free) and a premium (paid for) version.  I'm a cheapskate and never hope to make money from my writing so have only used the free version.  Anyway, for what it's worth, I have found it useful.
cheers

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max keanu wrote:

I am a notoriously bad speller and I was arrested for bad grammar last year.

I hate to contradict you, Max, but your writing is clear as a bell, once a person accepts that you make free with certain word forms. This is a characteristic shared with Lewis Carroll, and he's regarded as not too shabby a writer.