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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

https://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/2412/20- … cs-Arrived

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Awww. It made my heart go pitty pat!

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Hi Amy, I've been looking through your back catalogue. Wow.

I assume you aren't looking for crits of the earlier pieces? I looked at your later work, and I think that for the Acts of Academia it would help to read the first book? I can't find it, is it here?

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Acts, Mandates, Dictates run more or less in parallel; Amy has a fourth book to bring the threads together.  IMO, Acts is the masterwork.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I'm working on Dictates now.

If you don't mind me requesting, I'd like you to read the first chapter of Dictates and then move over to Acts after that. Keeping me getting critiques on the older stuff will help me by keeping me familiar with the older material and nag me to get cracking on revisions.

Mandates is the first story, but it is also the oldest in terms of when I last revised it. It has a weak first chapter, and is full of old mistakes that I've weeded out of my learning curve. Dictates and Acts happen simultaneously, so it doesn't matter when you  read them, since they are being written to be stand-alone stories that link in the fourth book

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I don't mind you requesting at all. I'll have a look in the morning.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

My major is Linguistics, although I'm trudging through general requirements at the moment. smile I believe I'll be taking English next semester. That'll be fun.....

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Linguistics, huh?  You know about McWhorter's hypothesis--or belief--that English's uses of the auxilliary 'do' in its various forms came out of the Celtic lamguages?

"The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad/For all their wars are merry and all their songs are sad."

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Linguistics. Cool.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Lynne, the rewrite is posted. I thinned the three paragraphs that were full of exposition, and added more Alda. Is it too much? Too little? I'm too close to this to see if this is what you were talking about, but I believe this version is stronger

Talk soon

A

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Should I be looking for something?  I don't see it yet.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Just read Paul Halter's =Seven Wonders of Crime=.  As the author intended, I got the whodunnit solution before the detective, at about 90% of the way.  (I added the culprit to my list of suspects at around 70%).  And that has me thinking of Alda.

If you put her front and center, the reader may see too much too soon.  As a reader, I'd like to see the mystery of her creep up.  One of tge strengths of the Fishing chapter is that the humor distracts from the magic that surrounds this comic distraction.

To my taste, the best thing would be for Alda to take over the story sneakily, creepily, so that the reader isn't sure whether the central mystery is the Evil or Alda.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I don’t have anything newmup. I just thinned the first chapter of Dictates.

I’m considering what you say about distancing to make Alda less comedic and more mysterious. I’m listening. Just not sure about the presentation

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

You can keep the comedy.  Use the comedy to hide clews.  But by putting Alda constantly in the spotlight, you're telling us 'This is Alda's story'.

When the stage musical =A Chorus Line= was in tryouts, the wriers and pruducers, not to mention the performers, were disappointed that one of the songs fell dead flat.  It had everything--a story, a happy ending, a painfully funny truth, and a slightly risque punchline.  But they gave the punchline away in the title.

So they changed the title--to -Dance 10, Looks 3-:

Dance 10, looks 3, and I'm stll on unemployment,
Dancing for my own enjoyment.  Dance 10, looks 3 is like to die!
Left the theater and called the doctor for my appointment to buy
Tits and Ass!  Bought myself a fancy pair
Tightened up the derierre.
Did the nose with it, all that goes with it.
Had the bingo-bongos done.  Suddenly I'm getting national tours!
Tits and Ass won't get you jobs
Unless they're yours.

I think you can see the original title.  But with the new title, emphasizing the immediate dilemma rather than the ... existential ... dilemma, the song became one of the show's signature numbers.

Let the weight of Alda's circumstances be developed through the eyes of others.

In the end, Alda's wish to be free of the weight of her past is Aldamurisse's wish, shrouded by the Veil.  I'd say it's a guilt that would rather leave the past behind, but will step in to fix things when there's a clear choice between letting things go and stopping future disaster.  Otherwise why did she revive Jaylene, and why did she step in to stop the poisoner?  She could have let things go, and nobody in the order would have been any wiser.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

The business with the knots in the library is the Veiled Alda trying to live up to her new rank.  Her dawdling with the diaries is the Old Veiled Alda leaking back out.  Alda is not going to be competent until the Veil lifts, and even then Aldamurrisse has scars that make it hard for her to be a responsible person.

You got so much right, so much rich nuance that makes sense once we know the whole story, that you don't ned to add.  You need to condense, to turn the Catacombs trip nto more dramatically purposefull steps.  Turn the Antlion ino a a few glimpses that tell the story.  (Yeah, what I need to do all over the place.)

Tazar gives her someone who will accept her, who will accept her help, without asking too many questions.  (He asks them, but he can keep them to himself.)

With the Mar, have her treat Tazar when other people's backs are turned.  Show the alert reader that he knows she helped--but chooses not to ask or comment

You got it all right--except for the diluted length of the presentation.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

My perspective and POV are consistently wrong. I can’t keep Alda’s internal humor without keeping the deep first person perspective. I would have to distance and remove her internal thoughts. That only keeps the physical humor. Half the funny goes away.

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

amy s wrote:

Lynne, the rewrite is posted. I thinned the three paragraphs that were full of exposition, and added more Alda. Is it too much? Too little? I'm too close to this to see if this is what you were talking about, but I believe this version is stronger

Talk soon

A

Righty ho. I'll check it this afternoon. Fretting madly with a rather sick cat, so this will take my mind off her sad

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

You can keep the comedy.  Use the comedy to hide clews.  But by putting Alda constantly in the spotlight, you're telling us 'This is Alda's story'.


Hang on, by havingt Alda the first person we meet, and being fairly fully fleshed in personality,  I had assumed it WAS her story?

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Amy, I've left you a few inlines for bits that still jar, but overall I think this is much better. I didn't actually skip anything, which I did before.
What is your own view? Are you happier now?

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

It's her journey, but the story is about destroying ancient dangers ... and Jaylene has a story as well.

You can move to Alda's PoV and back, and if you do it for wry moments, you can hide things or expose them in the moments.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Right now, it is Alda’s story. New Jersey is my biggest fan and my hardest critic. Originally, the story was in three perspectives,and I used the POV Willy Billy to tell what was convenient. I did three rewrites and Jaylene is consistently panned. Which is my fault. I just can’t get her worth across to the reader. First, she was too passive. Then she was more dominant, but people described her as bossy.

The characters that people bonded with were Tazar and Alda.

Then I paid a freelance editor to read the whole book. He coached me on the ending, pace, and the hero’s journey. This story isn’t about Jaylene. It is about Alda, and her evolution from passive to active in the mystery.The story is now being solved by the second string players. Not the Wolves.

And New Jersey fights for the material I leave out. It makes him nuts

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Poor Jaylene

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I'm not sure if it helps or hinders that I didn't read the earlier drafts. Well, I just have to jump in where I am and work from here. I'll check out chapter two shortly.

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Amy, how much was the editor? I've seen estimates that run into the thousands, although that's for a very detailed edit.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Is your audience a lit-fic audience or a magic-and-mystery audience?

Alda will be an everlasting problem to write in first-person because she's half person and half marionette.  It can be done, but the skill needed is very high.  You had the right balance earlier.

If you've got two wheels in the right lane and two in the left, someone could say you're too far to the left; move right.  But rhe problem might also be that you are too far to the right and you need to move left.

You gamed these characters and the storyline out.  That gives the story its life.  Trust that.

I'll do that review this afternoon.  I don't think you'll like my dislikes.  sad