Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread
Oh, and I think The Hero's Journey is the wrong template, IMO This story is The Quest.
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Oh, and I think The Hero's Journey is the wrong template, IMO This story is The Quest.
I followed him on Twitter and knew that his publishing co was bought out, so I contacted him and asked if he needed Xmas money. He read the first chapter (I think to see if he could bear reading the rest. Initially we agreed on a penny a word, which was 1200 dollars at the time. He had some delays getting my book done, so he gave me a discount of $200. One thousand total and worth every penny. I had three conference calls with him after the review was done, and he brought up things that weren’t being discussed by any other reviewers. We worked on the pace of my ending.
It made me realize that the story is heavy in the middle and I spent too much time traveling the catacombs instead of getting to the ending. Petra needed a bigger part. The Gillis fight takes too long. The ending is too short. Also that Alda stayed the same thru the story instead of evolving into something new.
None of his advice was telling me what to do, and I got the final say in whether to integrate his changes. It also gave me an idea of what a working relationship with a good publisher would be like. In all, it was a wonderful experience.
Now, I don’t have that kind of money to throw around, but I’m glad I did it.
Alda isn't a character. Alda is a mask worn by Aldamurisse. (Have I misspelled that?) So you can't show that in the ordinary way. Her 'development' turns out to be important to the Quest--the key to its success, at then end. And, at the end, Aldamurisse chooses to act when she could hide. Play that up.
From the beginning, your base story has Alda/M moving from choosing to hide to choosing to act. She cares about stopping Ghen (though we don't know who he is yet) (and she isn't sure of herself--uncertain depths in the character behind the mask--cue Angel of Music). Bit by bit, Mask Alda comes to act with more knowledge. Aldamurisse lets her knowledge out because she cares about Tazar. He's such a good soul, innocent not of knowledge but of ill-will, that she has to care about him. He's a puppy with the wisdom of a sheepdog and the power of a war-dog--and the humility always to listen and learn. Tremendous character--and your original intro, in the prison, was perfect..
By this time the reader knows that something is going on inside Alda. But we should discover it when mask-Alda comes to learn who she really is.
You can't show Alda's development from the inside, because the inside is Aldamurisse. And Aldamurisse is a secret to be hinted at, then glimpsed, and then finally revealed when only she can clear the field for Behira's forces to survive and win the battle.
I'll be trite: Think how Marvel Cinematic would handle Mask Alda/Aldamurisse. Not the smash, bash, and crash, but the reveal and the eucatatrophe. Jaylene: She has saved my life! I, the Lance of Behira, have vouched for her. Founder: You cannot vouch for what you do not know. This is the cowardly sister who betrayed Behira! There is your story, juices dripping from the red meat.
As far as the Catacombs and the rest, you and I both need to embrace de Saint-Exupéry's maxim: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. (More on my forum.)
(de Saint-Exupéry's introduction to The Little Prince is one of the most beautiful paragraph's I know.
To Leon Werth
I ask children to forgive me for dedicating this book to a grown-up. I have a serious excuse: this grown-up is the best friend I have in the world. I have another excuse: this grown-up can understand everything, even books for children. I have a third excuse: he lives in France where he is hungry and cold. He needs to be comforted. If all these excuses are not enough then I want to dedicate this book to the child whom this grown-up once was. All grown-ups were children first. (But few of them remember it.) So I correct my dedication:
To Leon Werth,
When he was a little boy
)
Musing's on Deep PoV, etc.
Deep PoV is the current fashion in narrative storytelling. And we're please to think it 'more advanced'. But is it more advanced, or just different? Is it progress, or just fashiion?
It's a step further away from the most basic form of storytelling: third person with a very present narrator. But is 'further' the same as 'advanced'? Or is it just a shiny new tool that we're fascinated with because it's new and shiny, and we don't know what we can do with it? Look where 12-tone music is today. It's not used by pop acts. It's not used in film scores. And, outside of a few heavily-educated ears, it has no following as golden oldies. It's a museum piece kept in the storeroom, brought out and dusted off once in a while so we don't forget about it.
You would not approach upholstery with a mason's hammers, or stone with an upholsterer's toolbox.
Innocence is what Aldamurisse cannot bear to lose. That is why she SHOULD save Sulder ... or else feel a crushing loss over his death. If he dies (I don't think he needs to) it should be THAT failure that makes Alda want to hide. And why the bit about his nose-hairs is important. (You got that right, girl!) It's why she wouldn't let Tazar go into the Catacombs without her. When she hears of what he did to Slash, she's not concerned about him. But Charm brings Aldamurisse out for a moment. And then she sees Solace risk himself for Tazar, and Tazar (without knowing of Solace's act) refusing to go unless Solace is released with him. Her reluctance for the quest must collapse--crushed--when she learns that Tazar is being allowed in. She's not in love with him; she wants to be his rotweiler. She should be lukewarm about Jaylene's prison mission right up until she sees the deformed prisoner--Solace--risk himself for Tazar.
Her relationship with Jaylene: Confusion. She knows she's bound up with the Lance, but Jaylene is more ignorant than innocent. And Jaylene is just too holy.
All of Alda's dirty tricks, the spitting in the soup ... that's anger at what's not innocent. Innocence is why the always-hungry Alda tosses food to the birds. Even when she has to clean up their droppings, she doesn't mind. Put those two together, let us see the apparent contradiction.
Oh, if you have to kill Sulder, do it as he sends that message into the Catacombs. Have his willing death, exhausting himself to send the message, convince Jaylene of its importance. Have Alda know for sure he's dead--more of the mystery surrounding her, hinting at the depths of her true power. Send it as they have committed to dealing with the Gillis, to drive them forward through it.
You can make Alda the one who first hears Sulder ... and makes it possible for Jaylene to hear him. Now she knows beyond doubt that there's something very special, very terrifying, about Alda. But becausee they're in the last stage of freeing people from the Gillis--maybe they need to take crazy risks to rush it--she has no time to ask. And maybe this is when Petra's puppeteer learns--and strikes--just as they take the one night of rest they cannot skip on their way to Base. Another distraction from Alda, and an excuse to rush the business with Petra.
And with the need to rescue Base, they need every fighter who can be freed from the Gillis.
Oh, and when Alda releases her rage over Sulder's death, it should be scary--enough so that we're really twisted up about the Founder's reveal. And maybe make the destruction of the Horror's the key to ending the battle. She goes to them in defiance of the Founder, he is too busy to stop her, she destroys them, bringing everything down on their heads--only the forces of Behira have the stronger shield. And the enemy who survive the blast are easy pickings for Behira's forces. Alda even gets a few 'and THAT's for Sulder'/'That's for Pettra'/...s in.
This is more character work than you do on your own book.
Weenie. I knew you had it in you.
Here is the problem. Alda can see into the hearts of Behira’s followers only. Which is why Tazar is so refreshing. He is a mystery, and stays that way until she needs him to fight for her against the Mar. Even then, she only is able to manage this because he is in the process of becoming a believer.
And then she only permits herself to be at risk. I haven’t decided on the breaking point of this ability, but it is probably when she gets torched saving Straya. Deciding to let go or continue to fight. That is her turning point.
And the dedication is marvelous. I remember being eight, and I was intimidated by the fact that I would get old, like 18, and I would forget younger me. I resolved to remember that moment, so old me wouldn’t ever lose that person. I once was. I love that he dedicated his book to his younger self.
To his friend's younger self.
It's true that Alda can only see into the hearts of those touched by Behira (and maybe those under control of a Horror) but she SEES the goodness in Tazar the same way we do. That's why we can appreciate it, and empathize.
As to character work ... you've provided the foundation. You've pointed the feet. I'm just lifting my eyes to the path.
I'd like to add that I'm not following a bright bauble that is trendy by choosing deep first person perspective with a close narration. I just finally have terms that describe the way I want to write. Before, I had three perspectives (Jaylene, Tazar, and Alda). Each narrated differently. Once of my readers found it to be very distracting, so I became more aware of whose voice I was using (including the neutral narrator). And my narrator faded into the background.
However, I agree that the narration is being told from Alda's POV, so this frees me to say things in the narration that she would think, or be aware of.
I note that you are fighting for Sulder and Tazar (and not Jaylene). This is par for the course. Nobody roots for that character's perspective. However, I don't think there is any benefit in changing Sulder out for his replacement, other than throwing the church into disarray. Your politics have the potential to bear fruit in keeping Sulder alive longer so he can die dramatically.
I agree that having Tazar disappear a third of the way through the book isn't a good way to keep the character's nobility alive. Let me think about it. His journey isn't the focus of the story, though.
I agree that having Tazar disappear a third of the way through the book isn't a good way to keep the character's nobility alive. Let me think about it. His journey isn't the focus of the story, though.
You've been subconsciously influenced by Snoke.
Your original story was a Quest. That fits the larger story surrounding it.
Jaylene took over nicely after the death of the leatherworker.
The Catacombs adventure and the creepers in the crypt are both wonderful action that feel like they need volumes of their own.
Amy, how much was the editor? I've seen estimates that run into the thousands, although that's for a very detailed edit.
Ya know... a good editor is worth his weight in gold. But they're so hard to find. It's a kind of relationship - it's a person you're 'dating' because you'll need to trust them with something close to your heart (btw I'm referring to a good substantive editor). In the original VQ, I had one and he was like there's no way this can be one book, and I hated him, and he was right. He billed me 3k and I was so mad but I'd get him again if I could find him.
My last comment got me googling his boss. I got an obituary. The editing house had a rule you weren't allowed to the name of the person working on your manuscript. So this person stayed faceless for a good 18 months of communication (Email wasn't a thing back then - we killed a lot of trees). I will likely never find him, but I've added the search to my list of life quests (Including being allowed into Las Vegas), so you never know
Or you could just make a request for a good editor on this site. :-)
Added one tongue-in-cheek comment on the last review. But maybe not so ... well, decide for yourself.
FYI, given that Jaylene is small and slight, I see her with a narrower face, maybe oval. And I think that displays better on the beir.
I note that you are fighting for Sulder and Tazar (and not Jaylene). This is par for the course. Nobody roots for that character's perspective. However, I don't think there is any benefit in changing Sulder out for his replacement, other than throwing the church into disarray. Your politics have the potential to bear fruit in keeping Sulder alive longer so he can die dramatically.
You kill Sulder to get a single-point crisis.
Jaylene comes alive when there is a crisis. She may not be able, in the beginning, toget to the solution unaided. By the end of the book, she should be doing that, perhaps even defying a Founder.
But the long slog through the Catacombs has few crises. It has many dangers, but few crises. You need to make it shorter and add hard decisions, some of which Have Consequences.
Yes, boss man. Keep me honest.
I'm just working your possibilities. The Founders must place AM one and a quarter steps below G and half a step above the forces now threatening them. They have AM's staff, and could even threaten to destroy it. (Does Jaylene know what that staff is?) (Aside: do the spears itch in Alda's hand? I'm thinking of Anver's demo with the other mage's/student's staff.)
You've built a tremendous point of conflict here, one that could shake Jaylene in the crisis moment, threaten all the resolve she's built up--especially if Alda was somehow part of how that resolve was built up.
And what if Jaylene makes the wrong choice, but is too late to stop Alda, and has to watch as Alda's actions rally the enemy--right before she destroys the Horrors.
The first law of battle is that the enemy changes the plan. What if the only hope of ending the battle is to destroy the Horrors so the enemy will have nothing to fight for, and AM is the one who understands it?
And this leads to a possible redefinition of the Alda/Jaylene relationship. By their presence and character they constantly test each other. By right of power, Jaylene should be the tail in the dog, but Alda wants to be that tail. She keeps pushing the role of war dog on Jaylene.
Oh, do Sil and AM realize how powerful Anver is? When do we learn? Do they wish that Katerin was along?
Jeopardy: rope frays. Pons wedges knife between fish's plates. Fish thrashes, Pons dodges, rope breaks, fish falls, tail fins slicing like machete through brush. Impact drives knife home, severing fish's spine. Valharic appears. ... Pons recovers knife, which is gouged by the fish's armor.
Alda tosses the last beans, and birds settle over it.
If you have a moment, can you please check out my Archangel Syndrome post on the last page of my Galaxy Tales thread. I'd be interested to know what you think of my way to put some distance between the story and God.
Thanks
Dirk
Ill look at it ASAP sir, aye aye!
Update: I’m in the process of defining Valharic’s personality and motivations. His personality is really starting to come out between the lines
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