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Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.

Well, currently I use the following approach for each jump: 5 Years Later - 4010 AD. The countdown is a little more wordy, but not that different. It needs a better name than Wrath of God, though.

A few years ago, I considered making all dates relative to 4017. So 3994, for example, would have become 23 BA (Before Apocalypse) etc., and dates in later books would have been AA. I abandoned that as too complex, due to the detailed history I have to tell, but a countdown in these first chapters toward the "present" would be easier to grasp than the current randomish jumps forward. It also builds a little excitement, I think, the closer you get to liftoff.

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Burnt Offering is decent as a possible name for 4017, referring to New Bethlehem, although it doesnt seem epic enough.
Slaughter of the Sacrificial Lamb is great, but too long.
The Slaughter? The Horror? Meh.
Annihilation is good, but too close to Apocalypse.
The Seeds of Ruin is decent, referring to the trigger for the Long Night to follow in the next book.
The End of Days serves as good misdirection, which I love to do.
The Lake of Fire is also good.

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A count down only tells me that what I'm reading now is irrelevant

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Nah. Think of what it feels like to have a countdown to the End of Days without knowing what exactly that means. All you know is that Dr. Jorge Francis is alive and writing a biography of the teens in 7329 AD (if you pay close attention to the attribution in chapter two's epigraph).

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I used End of Days and made the changes to my offline copy. It comes across very well. So much so, I'm going to continue the countdown in later chapters, whittling it down to months, weeks, and then days until Caligula attacks. The only hard part is figuring out the exact timeline so I can count down to zero. I'll finalize it after v3 is written.

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Why not go ahead and number the chapters backwards?

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Give me a break. It's a countdown to doomsday. If it doesn't work, all I have to do is yank out a few lines of text. It won't hurt to have the timeline nailed down, either way.

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No seriously. I can't think of a story that does that

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Although I can't remember exactly, I've seen either movies or shows that have done it. One was a countdown to a bomb exploding.

MASH did it (counting forward) with a surgical procedure in which a critically wounded patient only had something like 20 minutes to live while they waited for another terminally ill soldier to die so they could harvest a body part. They had the clock onscreen the whole time.

Like I said, if it's a dud, I can easily yank them and all I've lost is a few hours working on a precise timeline. I did it for v2 as well.

No other book does it? Now you're just egging me on.

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4017 - 15 years, 4017 - 12 years ...

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Norm d'Plume wrote:

One thought that has occurred to me is, if I split the current chapter in two, then I will have three chapters in a row with different dates (3994, 4001 & 4006, and 4017). Yuck! It still seems slightly better to split them, though.

What if I give the year 4017 a name such as the Wrath of God and make all dates relative to it? Instead of a series of absolute dates, I can use something like this: 3994 A.D. - 23 Years Before the Wrath of God. That would make it into a countdown toward 4017, rather than arbitrary-seeming absolute dates.

Thoughts?

If you wrote, Ex: Apollo was
eleven when he first heard God, and it was his last good day. ( No need for dates or times to keep track of...go straight into brother dynamic...start chapter with a hook and forewarning.)

Whatcha think?

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FYI , psychosis and schizophrenia often occurs during the teen years after no signs/symptoms previous to this.

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njc wrote:

4017 - 15 years, 4017 - 12 years ...

Amy wrote:

If you wrote, Ex: Apollo was
eleven when he first heard God, and it was his last good day. ( No need for dates or times to keep track of...go straight into brother dynamic...start chapter with a hook and forewarning.)
Whatcha think?

Thanks. Will ponder.

Flake that I am, I'm now leaning back toward keeping all three time jumps in the same chapter. As Dr. Francis wrote in the distant future (7329 AD), the original purpose of the single/combined chapter (4 short scenes) was a brief biography of the MCs' formative years before the main story begins. My other purpose was to document when God entered each of their lives. I think Dr. Francis's biography gives me cover to do it all in one chapter.

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I'm wondering what to do about my long Galaxinet articles (the Great Collapse, the rise of the Imperium, starlanes & stardrive, Julii naming conventions, etc.). I definitely want to use them, since they not only give detailed explanations of elements of my universe that I otherwise couldn't include, but also serve as fun cameos. They're 2ish pages each, which is a lot for an "epigraph". As much as possible, I'm trying to use them with chapters with which they are at least somewhat relevant, but that doesn't always fit (e.g., the Dr. Ess epigraph would have to appear at the top of the chapter where Joseph and family are attacked in their palace).

I'm wondering if I should set them up as separate mini-chapters between the actual story. That leaves me with the 2+ page ludicrous epigraph about Mama's death (where Bunny Divine schemes her way into the senior anchor's role). It fits best at the top of the chapter where the commando team goes into the Realm to try and get him, although I suppose I could drop it in between chapters, too.

And yet, there is the epigraph (Janet TP's cameo) that gives background on the Demon poisons used throughout the story. It's only half a page and would fit nicely at the head of the chapter where Apollo learns that his father has been killed by poison. I also want one that gives a little history about the founding of New Bethlehem, which will be at most a page, and would fit best with the chapter noted above about the attack against the royal family.

Confused? Welcome to my world. I could put them all at the head of relevant chapters, but Dr. Ess's epigraph won't fit well, as noted above, yet really needs to come before many of the others (e.g., the rise of the Imperium has to be explained after the Great Collapse). It's the one that's primarily screwing this up.

Regardless, Seabrass may clobber me for not weaving them into the actual story. :-)

Thoughts?

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They're suggesting a "Let the story flow" approach where the stor never stops for (seemingly unrelated) other stories. It's a newer approach... a now-approach... an immediate approach. The classic approach is one where the writer may freely dabble in outside factors. Frankenstein, Princess Bride, Fraggle Rock... they all use classic techniques of overlay stories.

What I'm saying by calling the technique classic is pick the technique that works for your story and try to be consistent. Evidently, that requires a giant epigraph. If that means a 15-minute deadzone where the story halts and the narrator winks at the reader... if that means a dancing Bombadill that everyone complains about... you might have to just let that be and let the market catch up with you later.

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Oddly, I didn't mind Bombadill on my latest reread.

What would be your reaction if you saw the epigraph about the collapse of civilization at the beginning of the next chapter (the attack on the royal palace)? The only tenuous connection between them is that the collapse and the Warming lead to a mass exodus from Earth, which leads to the founding of New Bethlehem.

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Amy, I've now got poo, cow farts, and elephant gas. (Shut up, K. I know you're thinking it.) I think I'm going to make poo Joseph's major curse word, for which he regularly gets in trouble from the admiral. For the rest, I'm going to see just how many unique ways I can have him say gas/fart/burp/turd. There may be a serious s-bomb in his future, in the Elite Tongue of all things!

Joseph says cow farts to God. yikes

I'll be sure to discuss this particular contribution of yours in the acknowledgements section. :-)

P.S. Go back one post, please, and let me know what you think. The Dr. Ess writeup probably has to go at the beginning of chapter three, since I have others that need to follow. Problem?

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Your story. Your world, silly. However, if you want relevance, bring up Ess during the mass murder and cleansing of New Bethlehem. Ess was far more productive in wiping out the human race, but the two events have a similar wake of death and destruction that follow.

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I can't put her at the end. There's a sequence to the writeups, and Ess is first. The others build on it. I'll try putting it at the beginning of the chapter and see who freaks. I can always move the big writeups in between the chapters to keep the order right without cramming together an epigraph with a chapter to which it doesn't really fit. It's unfortunate. All the others fit in nicely.

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Maybe you need a chapter in the beginning with some wanton and wasteful death in it.

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New topic. Gratuitous violence. I have lots. I'm debating scaling back the violence, perhaps to a PG-13 level. I noticed in the latest Star Wars that the stormtroopers were actually hitting their human targets in the opening scene. I never knew they could aim. And who doesn't love a stormtrooper with a flamethrower in the dark of night?!

I don't mind blowing up 100 million souls on New Bethlehem since you never see it happen, kinda like Alderaan. I can definitely scale back the wanton slaughter of the cadets on the parade square. No need to mention their severed body parts, the gathering flies, etc. I want to keep Colonel Montford's severed arm since he just keeps going like pink bunny on rocket fuel. Billie (formerly Anikh) needs to die in Joseph's arms in order to pull off two critical plot developments, including her showing up in Joseph's head. However, she could die of simple smoke inhalation. No need to blast her.

I would miss Ensign Ecks charging headfirst into the line of fire, blowing out the chests of one Classiarii after another, while howling "For the Realm!" (Amy wrote that, probably after double duty in the ER, treating mass shooting victims, pumped up on six cups of Starbucks espresso, extra sugar). It's a great scene, showing his courage in the face of death. And I absolutely love the howl. However, he also gets decapitated and his head rolls toward the admiral, eyes still open. The decapitation can go. I guess the chests blowing out needs to go, too. Not sure about the latter.

More violence happens on Earth where Apollo's father executes young William at the Colosseum. Also, there's the staged assassination against the emperor. I have a lot of bodies in there, too. Also, Caligula gets part of his head blown off there, although that has to stay in order to make him a cyborg. I also toss some of Mama's guards out of a flying vehicle and plow the rest into a building.

And let's not forget space battles. Those are sufficiently sanitized to keep. I blow up a few worthless characters. Meh.

Last, but not least, Joseph blows the admiral's head off. That stays!

That's most of it.

Thoughts?

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You didn't fully clarify why you need to scale back

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I personally find v2 too violent. I'm trying for a little more character/setting/plot development and less carnage. Less Starship Troopers, more Dune.

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All you have to do is have the MC look away (ex: At the hanging).  That way, it occurs off screen.

I'm on the fence regarding the whitewashing of the violence. I'm not K. Not even close, but I wonder if this is necessary. Whatever you do, you can't eliminate the action. Since most of your action scenes are oriented around the violence, wiping the action with bleach won't move your plot forward.

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The hanging! I forgot about Andrew's head popping off at the gallows. Nuts. I need to leave that in for story reasons in v3.