kraptonite wrote:

Open question to the author community, (and out of genuine interest):
Which 'great storyteller' do you emulate and what is it about that particular 'storyteller' that made you imitate them?

I don’t really seek to “emulate,” and I definitely don’t seek to “imitate” anyone—why would any writer do that?  Many, however, inspire me: Hugo, Faulkner, McCarthy, Dostoyevsky, Stegner, Martin Amis, Twain, Márquez, Camus, Mattheissen.

kraptonite wrote:

...and write like Brontë.
Sorted.

Brontë?
Good luck with that....

Memphis Trace wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:

Waste of time listening to wannabes/hacks/amateurs (like me) opine on prologues and dream openings.  A confident writer makes this decision based on what the story needs and how the writer wants to tell it. (A writer lacking confidence best try basket weaving.)

Finally, good advice on prologues.

Bevin Wallace wrote:

Down the line, if a professional engaged in helping a writer publish has an opinion, that’s the one that should be weighed.  There are far greater things for a writer to fret over...

Even then, the kind of advice I hear that agents and other failed writers are offering is to only include a prologue if it's well done. Have you ever heard of anyone offering the counsel to only include a Chapter 1 if it's well done?
Memphis Trace

True, hence “weighed” not “followed blindly”

Waste of time listening to wannabes/hacks/amateurs (like me) opine on prologues and dream openings.  A confident writer makes this decision based on what the story needs and how the writer wants to tell it. (A writer lacking confidence best try basket weaving.)

Down the line, if a professional engaged in helping a writer publish has an opinion, that’s the one that should be weighed.  There are far greater things for a writer to fret over...

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Kdot wrote:

Ethan Cohen said that if a movie like 'Fargo' can succeed, then nothing makes sense.
so you might as well make the movie you want and just hope for the best

I checked the forum guilelines and PUI (posting under the influence) is not prohibited.  Seems like an oversight to me.

*passes bong and the iPad to wife and says* “Here, you read it, see if you can make any sense of it.”

kraptonite wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:
j p lundstrom wrote:

Can't be done.

Come on...  Sure it can.

I think that you need the sigh to accompany the moustache losing its lustre and drooping whilst the last vestige of the glimmer of hope dies in his eyes and he bursts the treasured balloon he is holding by inadvertently over-squeezing it and have him sob through quivering lips as he stares through his tears at the bits of broken balloon in his trembling hands whilst the stem of the tall daisy-like flower that protrudes from the top of his bowler hat simultaneously wilts and then sheds its petals. One by one. 

Then... and only then, will the reader understand the degree of exasperation the Benji is suffering.

You could reinforce this with having all four wheels on his car collapse and his doors fall off in time with a loud backfire and loads of smoke. Just to be safe.

RFLMA.  Thank you. This was great.  You may want to submit for the Bulwer-Lytton!

njc wrote:

I too have thesauruses.  As to where I get my news ... It's not talk shows, whether F&F or The View.  Funny you should feel the need to drag politics into a discussion about the meaning of a word.

Does politics define everything about a person?  Is your worst slur "He's one of THEM?"  What would that say about you?

Apologies. I know nothing about you.  I wasn’t inferring anything political.  I was merely using a pop culture simile in the discussion of a writing topic. 

Simile: a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox).

Chip on shoulder:  To have a chip on one's shoulder refers to the act of holding a grievance that readily provokes disputation.

njc wrote:

Probably not.  But dictionaries don't explain the difference between real and reactive power.  They're not about fine, deep distinctions.
Are you writing for the dictionary or the reader?

I write for the reader.  I use the dictionary to understand the meaning, etymology, and usage of words. That’s kind of its thing.  Less likely to be biased by fake news and opinions. (Like getting your news from Fox & Friends) 

Give the dictionary a try.  (Good ones have examples and everything!)  You might be enlightened.  Or, then again, maybe it’ll just stymie your efforts and you’ll have to *sigh* with exasperation.  Or maybe you’ll be incensed and your eyes will *burn with exasperation* from being thwarted in your effort.  LOL

PS.  In addition to my dictionaries, I also have several thesauruses and many fine books on grammar and punctuation.  Tools of the trade, you know.

njc wrote:

Exasperation is not just irritation.  It's related to frustration, though it's causes are slightly different.  Frustration comes from one's purpose being thwarted, by purpose or accidend.  Exasperation is a lesser emotion and results from the failure of another to understand or conform.

“Exasperation is a lesser emotion and results from the failure of another to understand or conform.”

You won’t find any dictionary that supports this narrow definition....

Lynne Clark wrote:
kraptonite wrote:

I think jeeeze!  You don’t need the writer to take me for a walk around the garden in order to graphically explain that the blow hurt Jed and that he is going to fight back.

...and there’s the author thinking how gifted and gilded their prose is, and the reader thinking ‘jeeeze!’

I am totally in agreement here, florid, purple prose turns me off from the first time I read it. I NEVER see it in published books.

“I NEVER see it in published books.”  LOL
Read twenty pages of the this monumental piece of published crap:
Fifty Shades of Grey LOL

Angela Ackerman has a series of interesting thesauruses, including one called the “Emotion Thesaurus”.  In it, she describes elements of every emotion imaginable.  She organizes them according to how they might evolve. For instance: Suppressed Aggravation, Annoyance, Anger.....

This is the entry under “ANNOYANCE”
DEFINITION: aggravation or mild irritation
PHYSICAL SIGNALS:
A pinched expression
**Sighing heavily or with exaggeration** (emphasis mine)
Statements suggesting impatience: Here, I’ll do it.
Narrowing eyes
Crossed arms
Tapping a foot, fidgeting
Swatting at the air
Tics and tells (a throbbing forehead vein, fingering a collar)
Lips pressing into a white slash
Clenching the jaw
Grimacing, sneering, frowning
Complaining
Folding the arms across the chest
Hands that briefly clench
Making pointed suggestions to alleviate the annoyance
Tugging at clothing (jerking down a cuff, forcing a zipper up)
Cocking one’s head and then shaking it
Raising one’s eyebrows and giving a glassy stare
A gaze that flicks upward
Minutely shaking the head
Changing one’s stance (shifting weight or position)
Propping the head up with a fist
Holding the head in the hands
Opening the mouth to criticize, then stopping short
Taking a deep breath and holding it in
Finger-tapping a tabletop
A smile that slips or appears forced
Snapping a pencil tip, using unnecessary force
Pacing
Light sarcasm
Asking a question that has a painfully obvious answer
A sharp tone
Speaking in short phrases
Visible tension in the neck, shoulders, and arms
Rigid posture, cords twanging in the neck
Rubbing the brow as if to ward off a headache
Avoiding the person or object of annoyance
Pressing a fist to the mouth
INTERNAL SENSATIONS:
A headache
Stiffness in the neck or jaw
Raised body temperature
Sensitivity to noise
MENTAL RESPONSES:
Berating thoughts
Straying attention
Thinking of an excuse to leave
Making unkind mental comparisons
Wishing to be somewhere else
CUES OF ACUTE OR LONG-TERM ANNOYANCE:
A reddening face
Rough handling of objects
Taking over someone else’s job or duties
Grinding one’s teeth
Throwing the hands up in a gesture of surrender
“Stalking off to get some air
Shutting down, not speaking or responding
Pulling someone else into the situation to divert attention and allow one to exit
MAY ESCALATE TO: FRUSTRATION, ANGER
CUES OF SUPPRESSED ANNOYANCE:
Nodding, but tightly, as if holding back from speaking an insult
Switching to another job to keep hands and thoughts busy
Attacking a task, diverting one’s energy
Forcing oneself to remain in the presence of the annoyance
Faking interest, barely holding impatience at bay
Carefully controlling one’s voice and tone
Focusing one’s gaze elsewhere in an attempt to ignore

WRITER’S TIP: Don’t get caught up on the eyes to convey emotion. While eyes are often the first thing we notice in real life, they provide very limited options for description possibilities. Instead, dig deeper, showing how the character behaves through their body movement, actions and dialogue.

Excerpt From
The Emotion Thesaurus:
Becca Puglisi & Angela Ackerman
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/emotio … 5492?mt=11
This material may be protected by copyright.

j p lundstrom wrote:
Norm d'Plume wrote:

Can you tell from just a sigh that someone is exasperated?

Can't be done.

Come on...  Sure it can.  Exasperation is merely intense irritation.  I can tell an exasperated sigh from my seventeen-year old just by the sound of it coming through from the other side of the door to his room....I can tell the same sigh coming from my eight-year-old in the backseat.  Exasperation is easy to see and hear with a sigh.  In fact, I can’t think of any better way to effectively exhibit full-blown exasperation other than a good sigh with that hard puff out, sometimes tainted with a groan.  My kids usually punctuate that exasperated sigh with an exasperated eye roll....

Not sure where the “burning eyes” bit comes from.  Sounds painful....

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kraptonite wrote:

A long time (nine or so years) ago on the previous version of this site, when I first joined, some here may recall there was a discussion/debate upon the merits of clinically perfect grammar.

**Note:  So no one goes off the deep end, this comment is not directed at anyone in particular.  It’s merely an observation on discussions like this in general.**

It’s always interesting to watch a discussion on some simple grammar aspect dissolve into a more general discussion of “following grammar rules” (or not)—and to watch (inevitably) the experts come forth to opine.

Novices (like myself) breaking rules rarely create anything better than mediocrity, despite our bold assertions, until such a time as we embrace the rules and give them the respect they deserve (then break them knowledgeably).  In fact, when you don’t “really” know the rules fully, you don’t even realize what a mess you are making when you brazenly disregard them. 

The folly in the assertion that it’s okay to play footloose with the basic rules and conventions of proper grammar is, most of the time, the people making this argument don’t have a legitimately firm grasp on the rules they hold in such disdain.  In fact, too often, the ones who argue most vociferously that it’s okay to eschew the rules for the sake of “their art,” are those using the argument as a crutch, or as an excuse for not digging into the nitty gritty to deeply understand proper grammar, punctuation, syntax, etc.

People who have truly mastered the rules well enough to intelligently manipulate them, rarely defend what they do.  They don’t need to.   They diligently hone their art over their careers, learning to manipulate the rules in concert with and in respect of those rules—and let their work speak for them. 

So, what you can “almost” always be certain of is: Those who speak loudest about their confidence in defying rules are the very ones who don’t have a firm grasp on them. 

I have a writer-friend who refers to this propensity as “S&W’s Razor.”

Writers who aim for mediocrity often think they are better than the rules before they know them.  Writers who aim for greatness almost always have a great respect and deep understanding of the rules and conventions of their profession. 

I think Pablo Picasso said it best:
“Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist.”

Welcome to prove the razor...  :-)

I have guided several friends to this site over the last year.  All have left.  Three of four said that after reading this forum, they left.  (One yesterday after reading the contents of THIS thread).  Granted, they (wrongly, I tried to convince them) assumed that the members who populate the forum are representative of the writers on this site as a whole.  I tried my best to suggest they just stay off the forums.  Didn’t work.  Luckily they found a home elsewhere. 
I will share with you a note from one who left recently:
“I appreciate your defending the site, Bevin, but seems to me it’s  overrun by a handful of grumpy retirees who spend most of their time bitching about other members on the site, politics, and society in general.  I checked, and some of the most active people on that forum hardly write or review.  Why are they there?  Just lonely and have nothing else to do?  It’s pathetic.  They write more on the forum than they post as writers.  They’re cynical, jaded, and intolerant. Why would I want to engage with them?  You’ve got a few of them that seem to haunt the forum just looking for someone to attack or something to complain about or pontificate on.  If they were actually writing and reviewing and adding value, I could understand.  It screws with my writing karma, Bev.  Also, the system is screwed up.  You’ve only got about a dozen people there who really try to make an effort to throughly review.  On the other hand, you have a bunch who do as little as they can just to keep posting their own.  There are at least two [names redacted] who give these silly regular reviews what are just 50-words of nonsense — just so they can collect points to post.  So, you end up getting the same credit for cutting and pasting some “50-word puff-praise” as you do spending two hours trying to really help the author.  You tell me how that makes sense.   Some are the reviewers are harsh, but I would rather have a harsh, honest review than some 50-word puff up my skirt.  Sure, if feels good for that one second, but does it improve my writing?  I think not.  Thanks again for trying to help, Bevin, but I’d rather stay away.  Good luck.”

Food for thought.  And please don’t attack me. I am just providing feedback from a “leaver” in hopes it might generate some soul-searching.

William Short wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:
Lynne Clark wrote:

Yet the group info page states that posting to this forum is only open to premium members?

You don’t have to be a paying member to be a Premium member...

I think the non-paying membership is called ‘Basic Membership' nowadays.

If you aren’t a paying member, you can still “reply” to a post in Premium, but you can’t “create” a topic.

Lynne Clark wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:
William Short wrote:

I think the site has evolved from a showcase of sparkling fresh talent into a mundane grumble pit for  struggling writers.

“...mundane grumble pit for  struggling writers.”

You buried the lede.  Priceless, Mr. Short.  You’re my hero.

oh thanks, both of you. As one of the struggling writers, you reckon this place is of no value to us anymore?

I can only speak for myself, but in my experience, all of us writers are struggling.  That goes with the territory.  “Mundane grumbling pit” as I understood it, refers to some of the discourse on this forum.  As to your question - you seem like an intelligent adult. You should decide that for yourself.

Lynne Clark wrote:
jack the knife wrote:

My bad, William. I assumed - wrongly - that you were a paying member.

Yet the group info page states that posting to this forum is only open to premium members?

You don’t have to be a paying member to be a Premium member...

William Short wrote:

I think the site has evolved from a showcase of sparkling fresh talent into a mundane grumble pit for  struggling writers.

“...mundane grumble pit for  struggling writers.”

You buried the lede.  Priceless, Mr. Short.  You’re my hero.

William Short wrote:

Most writers here are convinced their product is immaculate and woe betide any 'reader' who offers up an honest opinion, should it conflict with said author’s fragile inflated ego.

This’ll stir ‘em up (especially the passive-aggressives—they’re cute when they get a bee in their bonnet. LOL). I applaud your frankness, my friend.

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Memphis Trace wrote:

In view of Sol's post closing the thread on guns:

SolN wrote:

Political discussions are not what the Premium Group was designed for. It's a writing focused Group. If you want to have a political discussion, please do it in a Group open to this type of debate. Thank you.

Sol

is there any interest in a group to discuss politics and religion?

Memphis Trace

Anyone reading the Premium Group Forum for the last year would have thought the ONLY thing it was for was political discussion.  Talk about delayed intervention....LOL

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j p lundstrom wrote:

Hi, Sol--

I just entered my story, but didn't see a list of entrants. Will that not be available this time? It's been a while since I entered a contest.

Also, on the off chance that others haven't yet entered, how do they access the contest? I see no link from the contest page, nor from my portfolio page.

Thanks. JP

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/contes … Contest-18

You just select the contest from your home page, then select “entries” to see the list of entrants.

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Bevin Wallace wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

a boy, who as an autistic sociopath, cannot know what he has done.

I started to reply, “How would you know?” And then it dawned on me...

News reports of his interactions with Florida government social services

Whew!! Well, I’m just relieved to know that we have a system that puts a wheelbarrow load of guns, including an AR-15, in the hands of someone that somehow has the sense (and money) to buy them, but then can’t be held accountable for what he does with them, including slaughtering a bunch of kids. 

God bless the USA. Please.

Gotta run now.  My kid’s 3rd grade class is raffling off an AR-15.  Fun never stops!!

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

a boy, who as an autistic sociopath, cannot know what he has done.

I started to reply, “How would you know?” And then it dawned on me...

John Hamler wrote:

The only "citizens" who oughta have guns (I'm looking at you, Rhiannon) are cops and criminals. Period....

....Stop making excuses and stop the nonsense. If you really need a gun to feel safe in this world then maybe you ain't really ready to contribute to this world.

Period.

John

Well done, Sir.  I haven’t seen such a well laid blow to a hornets’ nest in quite some time.  Reap the whirlwind.
*finds cover to watch the fireworks*

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vern wrote:
Seamus wrote:

And coming soon to a forum near you [drum roll]
The The Ego Stroke Group Group
This group is for people who want to give and receive kind words aimed at encouragement even if there’s no hope.  Only post here if you are ready for banal platitudes and gold stars for participating. (Also great for credit hoarders.  50 words of empty, benign rhetoric = piles o’ points!)

LOL. This from one who has posted nothing and has reviewed zilch. It appears the only goal for this character is to try to stir a hornet's nest in the forums. It is quite laughable really. BTW, Ms, this is my thread so it won't be deleted like the one where you attacked forum authors for no reason unless deleted by Sol. Should you insist upon spewing more nonsense, it will remain for the amusement of all until that day comes if ever. As stated previously, I will be laughing at you, not with you. Take care. Vern

Run, Seamus!!