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(22 replies, posted in Dynamic Dialogue)

Can't wait to see it John!

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Will look for it, thanks!

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I've left comments for you John, thanks!

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I’m intentionally late to this party…

First, thank you all for such thorough and thoughtful evaluations. I am as pleased as I am humbled. 

When I first discussed hosting a dialogue course with Sol, I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make the shift from a face-to-face class, to an online one. Since most of my lessons contained exercises and worksheets that required physical presence, I wasn’t sure how well they’d translate. I think most of them worked out pretty well. The only one I found difficult to impart without the face-to-face interaction was the last one. But then again, you are all so studious, I have no doubt that you will all find a way to make that Sense Memory lesson your own.

Now, because I am as much a student as I am a teacher, I’d like to know what areas of the course you think I could improve upon. Or, if there are ways in which you think the course could be tweaked, detailed, or made more interactive, please let me know. 

Also, if you wouldn’t mind taking a moment to let Sol know you’ve completed the course, and what you thought of it, I would appreciate it. You can send him an email, or drop a quickie—whatever works best for you. Since he’s keenly interested in bringing quality educational offerings to the table, your honest comments about this one will be of great value to him.

Thank you for your time, patience, and dedication. I look forward to witnessing your progress and continuing to interact with all of you as a fellow writer.

All the best,
LA

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Randy,

It has been my honor and pleasure to work with you. Read and absorb as much practical information as you can--but really, practicing enough to form new habits will be the key for you. I'll be checking in on your writing often.

LA

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Evaluation for Randy

You have come a very long way since the start of this class. I’m seeing improvement in many areas including, voice, loosening up formality, and adding a few tricks from the writers toolbox. Congratulations on dedicating yourself, so earnestly, to the lessons!

The main area you need to continue dedicating yourself to is not treating dialogue as a Randy vessel. In order for a reader to believe that your characters are real people, they need to sound like people, not vessels. I have another mantra for you: Dialogue is the place where my characters live & breathe. Anytime you are tempted to approach a piece of spoken word as a tool because of your needs—STOP—repeat the mantra, and try again.

Keep asking yourself: Do you want the reader focusing on me and my expertise?  Or do you want them focusing on your characters and their story?  This is a vital distinction for you to learn, know and always respect. 

You do have the added difficulty of unlearning habits that are detrimental to creating believable fiction. I actually had a long conversation about this with my husband the other day. We came to the conclusion that there is no magic pill, or pearls of wisdom that I can pass along to create the “Ah hah!” epiphany you need. The only thing that will help you is to keep practicing. The more time you dedicate to learning and repeating good habits, the sooner those habits will overtake the old. 

I also suggest you do a ton more research on this subject. There’s a plethora of information to be found on the internet. Google; expository dialogue and character voice. You’ll find clear explanations, exercises and tricks you can learn that will help you. I’d also suggest you read up on techniques used by the dialogue master, Elmore Leonard.

I’ve enjoyed getting to know you Randy and I can’t wait to watch you develop even further!!

LA

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Evaluation for Wyatt.

You, dear sir, have come leaps and bounds ahead of where you were when you began this class. Congratulations for that—it is no small feat!

In comparing your dialogue from your original sample, to the work you submitted most recently, the largest difference that I can see is the addition of character voice. Loosening up the formality of speech, and adding a little vernacular color, has also helped your dialogue tremendously in terms of being believable.

You are also beginning to show improvement in the area of punctuation. You still have some work to do in that regard, particularly in in the area of how to correctly punctuate tags. My suggestion to you in this regard, is:

Copy and paste the following into a word program, blow it up large enough to see easily, and affix it to any surface near your writing computer:
Speech tags always require a comma: "You can be proud of your name," Lin said. OR Lin said, “You can be proud of your name.”
Action tags always require a period: Lin smiled. “You can be proud of your name.”  OR “You can be proud of your name.” Lin smiled.

One of the areas I think you need the most work is in not info dumping your dialogue. When determining how much information to include, I always ask myself one vital question: How much does the reader need to know?  It should always be the first, last and most important question. 

Too much info can bog the reader down and cause confusion as they get frustrated trying to find the story within the dissertation. Their focus becomes zeroed in on answering questions that are unimportant to the scene, instead of being focused on what is important:

“I know,” Bob says. “We can make a bomb with a pipe and trigger just like the one I made in Afghanistan when I stationed there as a Navy Seal.” 

Does the reader need to focus on a pipe, trigger, Afghanistan, or Bob being a Seal? No. What they do need to know is this:

“I know,” Bob says. “We can make a bomb.”
“Where’d you learn about bombs?” Jim asks.
“The Navy,” Bob replies.

Remember:
If the information is for the reader's benefit, chances are you're dumping.
If the information is for the character's benefit (or detriment), chances are you should include it.   

Keep doing research in these areas, Wyatt. I promise you, the payoff will be tremendous. I’ve enjoyed working with you and I look forward to peeking in on your progress as you continue your quest to become the best writer you can be! I wish you all the best.

LA

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Evaluation for CJ

You presented this learning wish list at the start of this class:

1. Keeping the dialogue natural, while still furthering the plot.
2. Finding ways of characterizing the speech itself.
3. PUNCTUATION, PUNCTUATION, PUNCTUATION.
4. And effective dialogue- how to get a character to speak volumes, while saying very little.

I’ll base my evaluation on how I feel you’ve progressed on each of these points.

1. Thus far, I don’t see you having a large issue with this. The majority of your dialogue is focused, natural sounding, and quite effective. Do be careful with pleasantry dialogue, or with taking natural speech tangents too far—real life doesn’t always make for strong fiction.
2. I think you’ve done a good job with this one in the samples I’ve read. You can take it a bit further than you have in terms of ticks, habits or flaws in their speech patterns, but the majority of what I’ve read has been character rich. Just be careful not to fall back on vernacular as your only differentiation tool.
3. I hope the lesson gave you what you needed in this regard. If not, there are dozens articles out there that will aid you further. From my perspective, there were minor tweaks needed at the start of this class, but as far as I could tell, they were gone after you completed the lesson.
4. Because we didn’t get to spend more individual time on the art of employing subtext, it’s difficult for me to assess your samples fairly in this regard. My best advice is to Google the word: Subtext and read up on as much as you can find. You should also consider looking into getting a few books on this subject. The Art of Subtext: Beyond Plot, by Charles Baxter, was a good one for me.

Since you have a little more experience under your belt, you’ve already worked through most of the common pitfalls covered in this class. I’d suggest your seeking further education at an intermediate or better level. Consider a few face-to-face workshops in your area if possible. Even if you can’t find exactly what you’re looking for in terms of class, getting facetime with other authors is an invaluable resource that should not be overlooked.  I’d also suggest you join a writing organization, if you haven’t already. They too can be wonderful resources for writers looking to further their education and experience.

It was an absolute pleasure getting to know you and your writing. I look forward to watching you progress. Good luck!

LA

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Yes, please! Post away.

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John Byram wrote:

Good afternoon, LA. Go to the Dynamic Dialogue group--scroll down to new group postings and my work is there, right along with all the rest. Sincerely, John

That is where I found your two disabled pieces earlier. I didn't see anything else, but perhaps it was a site glitch. I'll check again.

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The purpose of the lesson this week isn't to teach you anything new, but rather recap the work we've already done. What I would like for each of you to do is to post an informal summary regarding how the class, and/or any of the specific lessons, have impacted your approach to dialogue. Be specific. Explain why something is or isn’t clear to you, and how it effects your understanding or approach.

This is also the time to ask questions, bring up areas of confusion, or discuss ways you can take your own education further.

I will be writing an evaluation summary for each of you and posting them on or before Thursday.

Until then!

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Good morning John.

Thanks for the note. I went hunting for your stuff but all I've come across thus far is deleted content--which unfortunately I cannot access or address.

As far as lesson 3 is concerned, we are discussing dialogue tags. Those are speech tags (he said, she said) and action tags (he coughed, she laughed). The term, 'character tag' is a misnomer. It is not a tag. At least not as far as dialogue and this class is concerned. It is a term used for description that lends to characterization, and as such, has no bearing on this class. I mention this because I don't want you confusing the terms, or yourself.

As far your how-to information, you are correct in assuming that too many tags, of any kind, can be disruptive to the reading experience. Most significantly, overuse can overshadow the spoken word--which should be the star of the show. It can also negatively impact pacing. A happy medium is reached when you can read your passage aloud and; 1. not get confused about who is speaking at a given time, and 2. not verbally stumble.

In moving forward, I would appreciate if you would do the following: First, upload the lesson and reading sample related to the lesson and leave them active. Second, copy and paste links to the uploads in the corresponding forum so I don't have to go on a treasure hunt to find your work.

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Thank you Wyatt!

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John, since only the people registered for this class can read the content, there isn't any reason to keep deleting. Plus, I cannot read, or comment on any of it if you do that. From now on, please leave those posts active. It helps to refer back to them for comparison.

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John, since you are coming in so late to the process, I would appreciate your not waiting for me to upload your exercise homework. This includes writing samples. Ideally, I would like to get you through the lessons over the course of two-three weeks if possible. Lessons 1-3 are quite straight forward. Lessons 4 & 5 delve a bit more deeply and thus take a bit more work.  I have no problem adding the extra time to help you, but I cannot make another full six week commitment. Therefore, any effort you can make to get your homework uploaded in a timely manner would be much appreciated.

Also, if possible, please include a link to your homework assignments on the forum. It saves me having to hunt for them.

Thanks!

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Wyatt, you're fine...it takes a lot for someone to wear thin and you aren't anywhere near that bar. Whether you know it or not, each time you work on an issue, you learn from it. It might take time for those lessons to sink in, but they will eventually. Have faith and keep plugging--even when I'm not around to prod you anymore smile

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I'll check out your homework John. Is there a reason you deactivated your writing example? We are going to be needing/using it later. Unless of course you would prefer to use a different example. The reason I'm asking is I will need to refer back to your example from time to time as a base of comparison--deactivating it keeps me from doing that.

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Randall Krzak wrote:

Hi LA,
Many thanks for the feedback.  It will take a long time to break the expository writing habit--my 34+ year career required that style, so I don't think I'll break it overnight.  Still, will keep trying, and I've enjoyed this lesson (as well as the others).  Regards, Randy

You're right, it will take a while, but you are certainly on the right path to change it. Kudos.  And I can relate, I live with a technical writer who thinks I need to hear about PSI concerns when leaving me a note to about turning off the sprinklers when I get home. smile

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Thank you John!

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Okay John, let's get started. Please post your writing sample and link it in here. Then proceed with the lessons. Always be sure to link your homework and writing samples in the appropriate forum so I can find them easily. Thanks!

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Randy, I have confidence that you will because you are both aware of it, and work very hard at breaking the habit. Unlearning is more difficult than learning for the first time--but you will get there.

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Great! Welcome aboard!  Please take a moment to post a dialogue driven writing sample as outlined in the course description. Then please let me know a little about you, and what you hope to get from the course. Lastly, please remember to post a link in the appropriate lesson thread anytime you upload lesson homework I need to address. Looking forward to working with you John!

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C J Driftwood wrote:

I think by doing a before and after will help show (whether or not) I mastered the lesson. sad

You won't master the lesson this quickly so don't be too hard on yourself. I've been using it for years and wouldn't consider myself a master at it yet smile

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And speaking of doing it, anyone have any questions about lesson 5 so far?  It's a tough one, but so worth the time.

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LOVE the suggestion CJ--let's do it!