Good point, Amy. I think I'll return to the summary once I finish the first draft and see if I can make it more cohesive and (hopefully) a bit shorter. The mis-statement for the royal family is on purpose. Everyone thinks the family is gone, even the rebels.

For now, it's just for tNBW, but I'm hoping it'll eventually be destined for mass market. smile

'Marked for extinction' sounds interesting. I'll play with it a bit.

Kdot wrote:

mmm 15 yrs old and murder was 14 years ago. I see what you did there smile

Shhh... wink

I can't figure out how to summarize their connection without giving things away. Girls and dragons don't meet until the 1/3 and 2/3 marks, and their true connection isn't discovered until the end. I am sorely tempted to add a concluding sentence at the end of the summary. Something along the lines of "despite their different paths, only by working together will Truacia be restored", but I feel like the summary is too long already.

Modified my summary so it's a bit closer to my new plot. It's probably too long and too wordy, but I think it's better than my last one. smile

"The small country of Truacia has truly never seen darker days. The royal family is gone, murdered fourteen long years ago, and the cruel Chaedoran Empire has taken over. Still, the people rebel, branded as scofflaws and hunted down. Those captured are executed or sold into slavery and those that run free must remain wary not only of the Empire’s hunters, but also the wild dragons wreaking havoc upon the land. It is in the midst of this conflict that four young souls find their fates intertwined.

Fifteen cycles young, twins Maya and Vierra live peacefully in the city of Viyebar, until the day Maya is accused of stealing from the Empress herself. Using every resource available to save her sister, Vierra delves into a world of secrets her enemies would much rather keep buried.

Their family gone and their memories fragmented, dragon hatchlings Noi and Dea must learn to survive in a world completely unfamiliar to them. Threats lay around every bend and each step they take only brings them closer to the two-legged beasts that wish for their extinction."

The last few words are really bugging me. I want it to be something grand like "extinction of the dragon race", but it sounds better when it's more personal like, "murdered their family/mother/etc." Grrr... hate it when I get stuck on a certain sentence.

I don't think it's a matter of whether or not you think about it, but rather if you are aware of it. I know what clothes I put on this morning, so of course I don't actively think about it throughout the day, but I'm still aware of it. On the other hand, if a character is "lost in thought", they probably aren't aware of hardly anything at all. Like when you're walking down the street, then suddenly realize you've gone three blocks without even noticing. In that scenario, I wouldn't describe any of the surroundings except at the beginning and at the end of those three blocks.

I hope that makes sense. I'm surviving on a serious lack of brain cells today. smile

I agree with njc. smile

Sending you a big virtual hug, Amy! I hope I can read all your stories here soon. wink

Eek! I've been buzzed. I'm writing, I promise! Just not anything that's finished enough to post here. smile

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Nice! The lightened version does look better.

Sorry for being MIA recently, but it looks like the method of pulling bare-bones chapters from my expanded outline is actually working. Yay! Nothing is finished enough to post here, but I'm hoping I can actually finish the story this time. Then I can let my perfectionist nature run free on editing. I'm just crossing my fingers that my hands will actually let me write and type without taking medication ('cause for some reason, my stories just aren't as good while I'm medicated tongue).

Again, sorry for the lack of reviews. Hope y'all are doing great!

Guten Morgen aus Deutschland! I've been working on a few side projects, but managed to poke TCD a bit here and there, as well. Since I got book one all outlined, I'm half-tempted to expand my outline and make bare-bones chapters from it. How do you guys go from outline to first draft? Do you expand on what's already there, or write the chapter from scratch with the outline as a guide?

Thanks for all the advice, guys. smile Sorry for being so inactive lately. Hopefully I'll get some writing and reviews done this week.

In other news, looks like I'm going to be working on a project in Germany in a few weeks. Not sure if this will help or hinder my writing goals, but we'll see how it goes. I'm crossing my fingers that I'll have a day or so to actually explore something other than the harbor I'm working at.

The consequences if they are caught would be imprisonment, slavery, and/or the loss of a few fingers. So, yes, I suppose they would be scared, but the way I pictured it in my head when you first said the word didn't feel right. To clarify, they are scared, but they also believe in what they're doing and neither of them is a timid character by any means. Vierra and Merrin are probably the least timid of all my characters, excluding the dragons.

I wouldn't say they are scared. It's not the first time they've done it, but it is the first time they've done it with such high stakes and for such an important item.

Good point, Amy. I think I've got the structure of it sorted out, it's just the implementation that's going to be difficult. Oh, well. I'll write it out and see what happens. Maybe I'll even finish it enough to post it here. smile

amy s wrote:

Thieving books or thieving movies? Personally, I like the series Leverage. Everyone there is a crook, just with different specialties. Oceans 11. The Original.  The Italian Job (original version)

I love Leverage. That's more of a con, but what crazy-blondie does is exactly what I'm aiming for. Straight stealing. I suppose a very simple con would work, but even still, I have no clue how to write it. I feel like I need to write every step the character takes, but I also feel like that's the wrong way to go about it. Maybe I'm thinking too hard (like usual).

To explain, Vierra and Merrin need to steal an item from a merchant or trader's home\shop with well-trained guards nearby. Vierra  is a messenger, so I kind of want to use her uniform, and Merrin has silent steps (Elf thing, explained later) so that's great, but these two characters are still just teenagers and I don't want them to feel like experts at the craft. Of course, they are seen on the way out, but I still have to get them in the home\building and steal the item.

Personally, I love playing with PoV. It's one of my favorite things about writing. I'd probably write my novels from a dozen different PoV's if I didn't restrain myself. tongue In all seriousness, I have seen many an author throw in another character's PoV half-way through the story and it works, as long as their PoV is relevant and there was more than one PoV to begin with. For instance, if we go through a novel from Amy's PoV, then 3/4 of the way through, John's PoV comes in, that's a bit off-putting. The reader has experienced nothing but Amy until this point, so why change it? But, if we change things so we're in Amy's and Nick's PoV throughout the story, John's sudden intrusion doesn't seem so bad anymore.

As far as deciding what PoV to do per chapter, I have (quite recently) learned that it's best to go with whatever character has the most to lose. If Amy's mother is dying, it's probably not a good idea to do that scene from Nick's PoV. The reader gains nothing from seeing through his eyes. Oh, but wait! What if Nick is the one who killed Amy's mother? Now it could be worthwhile for readers to see through his eyes. Just depends on which character has the most invested into whatever scene you're writing.

One other thing. If this is a new character, it's best to reveal or hint at a connection between this character and the others that you've been writing about fairly early on. Then it's easy for the reader to care (if indirectly) about this new person that intruded on their perfectly good PoV.

Hope this helped. smile

Very good points, thanks! NJC, I originally had a legend/prophecy going for these three characters (that's actually how the story got started), but I could never manage to write it down in any way that I even remotely liked. If I don't have enough reason at the end of my first draft, though, that seems like an easy thing to slip in.

Amy, that's a good idea, though it would require a slight rewrite of Rylan's castle-escape scene (currently Ch. 99). I say "slight" since the Dragons' association with Arcane energy was not known at the time and Dragons can amplify Arcanist powers significantly. (like having a trickling waterfall of energy vs. Niagara Falls) So, parents wouldn't be as powerful as their children or the villain.

Thanks for wrinkling out these kinks. smile See what happens when I put a project on hold? I get a cold splash if ideas straight to the face. I should do this more often.

Anyone know a good reference for medieval-esque thievery? I only have two similar examples in my collection, but one is more of a con-artist, and the other is a magical assassin. Neither option is quite what I'm looking for. One of the chapters I got stuck on was a complete rewrite of Maya's intro-scene, but from Vierra's PoV. This way, the action starts much earlier with stealing an item from the Empress rather than randomly going through Maya's boring day. Still ends with Maya's arrest, though.

Is it too coincidental to have all three royally-descended siblings develop magical gifts? I recently came up with a mechanic to the magic that fits some of my characters absolutely perfectly and makes sense of the villain's intentions. It makes sense of a good portion of the plot, too. Problem is, if I implement this mechanic in the way that I'm thinking, then all three Rosenward children who just happen to survive the massacre of their family, also happen to develop arcane gifts. Not just any arcane gifts, either, but rare gifts in all three cases. I could pull the  "magic runs in royal blood" card, but it doesn't feel like enough. My OCD is exploding with the coincidences here.

FYI, to battle the coincidence of all three siblings surviving the massacre, I did have 2-3 brothers in mind that did not survive. Also, some rather distant members of the family survived, as well.

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amy s wrote:

And I agree on having a bad guy. At least in my work. Still trying to think how I will work that one in.

I agree with Amy. A real 'bad guy', even a minor one, helps a lot. I've only recently gotten my villains laid out for TCD (prior to the Empress, of course). smile

I won't. In fact, I might post some of my side projects here in the meantime. I've been having difficulties with story structure/plot, so I'm going to try writing a simpler story and see how that goes. I've also been reading The Secrets of Story and random articles on outlines, etc., which has also been helping.

Thank you! I really appreciate all the feedback you've given, NJC. It's helped to improve my writing. Hopefully I can get back to this project here soon. smile

Seems like this project is going to be on hold for a bit. I've been writing little scenes here and there, but I think my current skills as a writer don't quite match up to the scope of the story that I want to cover. I'm going to try working on smaller projects for a while and see how that goes. smile

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amy s wrote:

I've kind of disinvested myself of the caps vs no caps business. That is what the line editor is for when I find a literary agent and get a publisher.

Amy, teach me your ways. I can't manage to "disinvest" myself in any of the editing business. I keep reading things over again so I know where I'm at, then I end up editing a ton and actually writing only 50-100 words.

I have no input on capitalization, unfortunately. At this point, it's going over my head. tongue

Hey guys! Sorry I've been MIA for a bit. I promise I'm still writing, just haven't gotten anything developed enough to post it here. No cattle prods, please. wink

In the meantime, if anyone needs reviews feel free to poke me. Tearing into other works helps kick my butt into gear. big_smile

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This entire week is 30-43F with rain/snow for me. I am quite glad I don't live any farther north. smile