Here's my opinion for whatever it may be worth (hopefully at least the standard "2 cents" cliche`) on "The Opening Lines".

Characters involved: I'll agree Charles Bell has a history and looks to beat down others on this site. BUT ... is he the only one? Are there pots calling kettles black? Temple Wang seeing herself as a trollbuster? Really? She was temporarily banned at one point in time by SolN for the same conduct she proclaims she is fighting against. Where's my dictionary? Oh, there it is - hypocrisy. Vern - another black pot. He is particularly missile-locked on anything to do with religion and relishes chances to smash down anyone's belief under the alter of atheism, of which he is a card carrying member. He and his I'm-not-here-to-get-anything-written cohort, Memphis Trace, were solely responsible for turning the general forum into a political forum of destructive arguments leading SolN to step in and shut it down. The dynamic duo then tried to create a separate political / verbal warfare forum, which failed miserably and I think lasted less than a week. Trollbusters ... sure, haha.

My opinion: I agree and think it's a wise move for Suin to seek a free opinion, why not? It's not like she has to agree with it and even if she did or did not, there may be something worth looking at for improving the novel. Personally, I know romance genre novels are near the top of readership overall, and I do think her novel will do very well from what I've reviewed.

That said, I also agree with Charles Bell's points about the editor - gasp! I don't think that was his intention, but if he wanted to try to warn Suin from using Richard Bradburn as a *paid* editor, then I'd try to steer Suin away also. Yes, it's her decision in the end, but sharing is caring and that includes opinions and thoughts.

Problems: I read a lot of editor and author blogs to build up my writing knowledge since that's a good way to do so. Many accomplished editors will list the novels they were editing as references. It is not some sort of standard to hide such a fact. As a business major, who was required to take marketing as well, I can see some of the same marketing tactics used by Richard Bradburn. He mentions a global list of clients etc. and leaves it to the imagination if such authors actually exist. A standard marketing tactic. OH, and you have to dig his name out from a blog link, rather than seeing him put his name out front and center under "About me" (unless I missed it?).

Now, ghostwriters will always do this - not list the books they have worked on for obvious reasons. I remember one ghostwriter proclaiming she had just written a novel that reached #4 on Amazon. Of course, her contract would never allow her to divulge the book and thus compromise her client. However, this is not true for accomplished editors. There are no such restrictions needed to associate themselves with any novels they wrote or worked on. Richard Bradburn doesn't indicate the novel he wrote either. There's no novel I could quick search and find under his name - possibly he may have written under a pen name though.

His website mentions memberships where upon closer examination, one only needs 5 years of experience in editing and passing certain courses. There was no stringent requirement such as must have work experience with one of the "big 5" publishing houses, which some free lance editors can proudly proclaim on their sites.

This reminds me of many college professors, who get paid an obscene amount of a salary for far less in return. It's that old saying, "Those who can - do, and those who can't - teach."

If I had a romance novel and wanted to in the end hire an editor, I would be looking at Ann Everett (I don't know if she even hires herself out for editing though). Apparently, she's quite an accomplished romance novelist on TNBW and has at least one highly placed romance novel on kindle choices.

As you all know, my WIP is in the heroic fantasy genre, so if I do hire an editor, I'm most likely to turn to Janet Taylor Perry on this site. She has written in that genre and routinely gathers 4-5 star reviews en masse for her novels. My first choice - George R.R. Martin - probably won't return any of my emails if I reach out to him?

Didn't you have anything better to do with your time than pick at his website, Jube? You know, like write another chapter? Guilty as charged.

This was Amazon's response to Congressman Keith Ellison's ban request --

Amazon responded to Rep. Ellison last week in a letter.

"Amazon has reviewed the products and content referenced in your letter, and we have removed those listings, and permanently blocked the seller accounts found to be in violation of our policies," wrote Brian Huseman, Amazon's vice president of public policy, in the letter referred by a representative of Ellison. "We have restricted the inventory to prevent it from being sold and are in the process of removing it from our fulfillment centers."

An Amazon spokesperson also clarified in an email statement that "sellers are expected to comply with our policies, and we immediately investigate any reported violations. The items referenced by Rep. Ellison were previously reviewed, and we removed those that violated our policies well before we received his letter."

This means that anyone can flag an inappropriate listing to Amazon and the company's teams will review if it violates the company's policy. Amazon declined to comment regarding how it sweeps and vets listings in a proactive manner.

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I think what Amazon did was smart chess here. They responded by keeping the focus on Nazi and white supremist items, not Jihadi (classified as "Islamophobia" according to Ellison) themes in mainly books.

Every article I ran across citing the Amazon response was the same as well, staying mum on all mention of his inclusion of anti-Islam books. This will obviously upset Ellison to no end as Amazon basically allowed him to *castle*, but stopped his move to place the king in check.

It will be interesting to see where Ellison goes from here. He will somehow need to make the case that books sold on Amazon that portray Islam in a bad light are as reprehensible and damaging as the neo-Nazi books as well. The very idea smacks of incredible hypocrisy in that it is a little known fact that Islamists were actively helping Hitler in dealing with Jews.

At that time, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem--Haj Amin al-Husseini--met with Hitler and other Nazi leaders in an attempt to foster the spread of dealing with Jews the Nazi way:

"In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....” Hitler replied:

    Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974."

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So, the next time you read or hear of someone comparing opposition to Islam as the same as being a Nazi, you can just laugh at their ignorance of historical matters.

Politics are usually not part of this forum by mutual choice, but I think an exception should be made to let you know what Congressman Keith Ellison is up to recently that affects authors.

Who is U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison? By my last recollection he is one of two Muslim Congressmen and is known to be quite the activist in defending his religion with his platform as a Congressman. For example, he once publicly proclaimed that the reason Thomas Jefferson got a hold of a translated Quran was because he admired Islam. If you know who created the U.S. Marines and what their first mission was, you will know how much of a falsehood his comment was. It is like saying that McDonald's was from the beginning intended to be a vegetarian restaurant under Ray Kroc.

Moving on, Ellison, a former follower (at least he claims he no longer follows Ferrakan) of Louis Ferrakan, has made a move to apply censorship to certain authors on Amazon. Bear in mind, Amazon in conjunction with Barnes & Nobles are a virtual monopoly on book circulation. If you were to be banned from those entities, virtually no one could see your books.

Here's his letter to Bezos where he is attempting to get the first domino to fall:

July 17, 2018

Jeffrey P. Bezos
CEO
Amazon, Inc.
410 Terry Avenue
North Seattle, Washington 98109

Dear Mr. Bezos:

I am writing to you with my concerns about the amount of money Amazon has made from the sale of literature and music published by entities identified as “hate groups” by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). I would like to know whether Amazon is committed to ceasing the sale of all products that promote hateful and racist ideologies. For a company with a policy prohibiting the sale of “products that promote or glorify hatred, violence, racial, sexual, or religious intolerance or promote organizations with such views,” there appear to be a disturbing number of groups with hateful, racist, and violent agendas making money using Amazon’s platform.

Since the election of Donald Trump, hate groups have been on the rise, and racist violence has swelled in this country. The increase in political organizing around hateful ideologies like white nationalism has provided a growing base of support for racist policies like the Muslim ban, and the “zero tolerance” immigration policies that have driven family separation. Over the last decade, hate groups have used Amazon to fund their activities and spread their ideologies. Historically, Amazon has not responded effectively to this issue, and continues to allow hate groups and SPLC-identified neo-nazis and white nationalist writers to make money using its platform.

According to a recent report entitled Delivering Hate by the Partnership for Working Families and the Action Center on Race and the Economy (ACRE), available online at https://bit.ly/2tX37yK as of June 2018, Amazon has been selling baby onesies, toys, children’s Halloween costumes, flags, clothing, and jewelry emblazoned with nazi, neo-nazi, white nationalist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, and violent, racist imagery. I am disturbed that Amazon would make racist and hateful products for children available on its platform.

Further, there appears to be a staggering amount of neo-nazi and white nationalist propaganda available for sale on Amazon, both in e-book and print format. For example, five volumes of the Occidental Quarterly, a racist journal edited by SPLC-identified neo-nazi Kevin MacDonald, remain for sale on Amazon. Your company states that it takes 30-65% of revenue from all Kindle e-book sales. Amazon also takes 40% of revenue from the sale of physical books published by its CreateSpace self-publishing platform. I am alarmed that hate groups can make money by selling propaganda on Amazon, and that Amazon is able to profit from these transactions.

As stated earlier, Amazon has a strict policy against hateful and racist products on its platform. The availability of all the material listed in the aforementioned report indicates to me that either Amazon is willfully refusing to enforce its own policies against the sale of racist products, or its sheer size makes it impossible for the company to police itself. In either event, Amazon must immediately cease doing business with groups that promote racist violence. To better understand how hateful propaganda makes its way to be sold on Amazon, and how your company plans to correct this problem, I seek the following information:

1. How much money has Kindle Direct Publishing made from the sale of materials published by SPLC-identified hate groups since 2015?
a. How much money has Amazon made from the sale of SPLC-identified hate groups via its CreateSpace self-publishing service since 2015?
2. How much money has Amazon made from the sale of SPLC-identified hate music, since 2015?
3. How does Amazon enforce its policies against the sale of racist and hateful items?
4. Will Amazon destroy any merchandise with hate symbols currently in Amazon-controlled warehouses within the next three months?
5. Will Amazon stop publishing physical and digital materials from SPLC-identified hate groups in the next three months?

I respectfully request answers to my questions by July 31, 2018.

Sincerely,
Keith Ellison
Member of Congress

You will see that he is targeting neo-nazis and how can that be a bad thing, right? Well, the SPLC is an organization that began with good intentions and did good work on behalf of civil rights, but that was a long time ago. In recent years, they have morphed into an organization that is mostly political in nature. They will mix conservative groups in with known hate groups on their list so as to splash dirty water from one to another. I would find it equally distasteful if they did that to liberal groups that aren't advocating for harmful changes like Antifa does.

Notice in Ellison's letter he mentions briefly the Muslim issue. This is his real goal as he is frequently crusading against any perceived bias of Islam. By the way, whenever a follower of Islam mentions racism, they are actually insulting your intelligence. How? Religions aren't races. Islam in particular has all kinds of different ethnicities belonging to it across the world. The co-founder of CAIR (Council of American-Islam Relations) is a blond-haired, blue-eyed white guy who converted to Islam and changed his name to Ibrahim Hooper.

Ultimately, Ellison wants to position himself as the decider for Amazon on which authors and what subjects are deemed hateful. You can bet that will most certainly be any author who writes a novel where Muslims appear and are the bad guys >> *looks at Randy*, *waves good-bye to Tom Clancy's novels*, *watches while Ellison burns Cobber's book to Ferenheit 451 degrees (pun intended)*.

Many of you already know this isn't an original tactic Ellison is using. First you tie a proclaimed witch to a stake, then you begin picking out the witch's *conspirators* to burn as well. Even if it turns out to be a black magic witch, who cares as long as you can burn the opposition along the way.

What will Bezos, Mr. Amazon, decide? That will be the question coming soon, and it will have a profound effect on authors across the board should he make a mistake here. For authors and books - let the public decide what will sell or not.

This section is dedicated to comments for the author's novel-in-progress:

Congratulations! I thought DA was well done and the plot drew the different factions closer together in a compelling way as the novel progressed. Of course, the surprise twists were memorable like how the leader of the Al-Shabaab company not only turned out to be looking to do his fellows in for revenge, but he had a damn good reason to do so. The ending was done well too.

Sorry it took longer than usual to get back to everyone who turned in a review on my WIP recently. I got a slew of reviews (I think around nearly a dozen) all within days to weeks of each other, so it took a while to work through the edits and post new chapter revisions.

I doubt my way works best, but what I do is work through each edit highlight and then make the adjustments into a new revised chapter, then post and reply. I think contrary to this, many others will go through the edits and then reply while planning to revise the chapter at a later date. Reviewer replies will come back faster that way I'm sure. That said, your reviews are very helpful and always result in a better posted revision than the original chapter.

NJC has finally tripped himself up. He's inadvertently revealed on the general forum that he's been stockpiling publishing points by using a time lapse for reviewing. This means whatever precious time all of use to review for points, he can do the same or better in a leisurely manner since time moves slower for him than us. Stockpiling points in a carefree manner while we earn them with blood, sweat, and tears -- how shameful!

Remember, NJC has a well established background in various sciences, so constructing a time lapse device should be achievable. Funding? He probably laughs when he sees Alkemi's pen name since he's already perfected his own transformation process of turning lead to gold.

What can we do about this? I believe many philosophers in the past have struggled with the same dilemma. Fairness and righteousness and kindness are all out the window when faced with an overwhelming power like this.

Although this nefarious fellow has indicated his time lapse is a bit in excess of 30 days, I suspect he can extend the differential by several months or years for that matter. Thus, it would not be surprising to find that he's lived for decades and is only now approaching his late teens ... unless he's not really flesh and blood at all.

Perhaps he is an extraterrestrial bot with advanced AI capabilities. After all, you know I suspect most of you are bots simply claiming to be humans (it's a conspiracy I tell you). Yes, you want to ask how do you know I'm not a bot? Of course, you are programmed to ask that as a means of throwing us poor, dumb humans off your trail. Well, consider my rough drafts. With all the highlighting plastered all over them, it's clearly written by one of those poor, dumb humans and not an advanced bot.

This is why I feel Sol's point system is too easy for some members to game. For example, John Doe can give you 2-3 skimming type *regular* reviews and hope he gets a good inline review from you in return. Even if you realize what is happening and don't reciprocate, he's not at a total loss since he's collected a good amount of points.

However, what gets lost in all of this is the overriding reason hopeful writers join the site in the first place is to have their work seriously evaluated by another knowledgeable pair of eyes, no? So if too many concentrate on ways to gain the most points while minimizing their efforts this runs contrary to the reason the site should exist from the members perspective.

This is why I believe if Sol incorporated into his point system a method for writers to bid points toward others for reviews, the competition of obtaining those greater points will in turn push or keep the reviewing bar higher / high. How will Sol's current point system defend against John Doe and Jack Doe entering a conspiracy to skim each other's chapters on reviews for needed points? Cough ... cough - *Points at Don60 and Ariion* Yes, you could say I need to mind my own business, but I feel a bit outraged that I put in time and effort to do a thorough review (as do the rest of you) and then these 2 guys make fools out of everyone who does this. I stopped counting regular reviews from Don60 to Ariion at 24 with plenty more to go. I stopped counting Ariion going the other way at around 15 or so. Don't believe me? Look at Don60's chapter 21 reviewed by Ariion. There are exactly 5 very short highlighted items in an inline review by Ariion. Uh, isn't 5 comments the minimum needed to get the points for a review?

I guess I now have my answer as to how one can write a ton of chapters and feed the point frenzy to not lose time between writing.

How to make the drone work for you! --

Erik Lewis stormed out of his house, enough was enough. "Damn you and that buzzing drone! It's always circling my house and peeping inside my windows!" His face turned red with anger. "I can't even stop worrying over being peeped at during my cuddle time with the wife."

The woman holding the remote control smirked at him. "It's not 'you', my name is Carol Whittiker, try not to forget it."

Erik was a big man at 6'5", and right now he towered over the diminutive lady. "I'd like to forget you ever existed, but you aren't making that possible, Ms. Busybody."

This time around, her smirk was even more obvious. "Did you call the police?"

"That was the first thing I tried. They say you can't be touched because you're in the common area of our HOA community."

She shook her head. "That's too bad. Well, they are here to serve and protect, just not you this time around."

"Is there anything that can get you stop your drone invasion of my home?" he said in a despondent voice.

"I was just about to suggest a way out for you." She grinned at him like a Chesire cat, and he knew very well who the mouse was. "I've got a book on Amazon that's in need of a five star review."

His mouth fell open after hearing that. "You'll stoop to any low won't you?"

She pointed at the drone, still shrilling above them. "It's how high I'll stoop to you mean."

"Fine, I'll do it but the drone better go away. Why did you just have to pick on me?"

She wagged a finger at him. "Our HOA community has forty six homes so that's forty six reviews for me."

He stared at her in dismay. "It looks like Salem missed a few witches."

She made a shooing motion with her hand. "Don't forget to describe my book as amazing. You'll find it under the title of, The Friendly Neighbor."

How about that dark side of technology as Elon Musk has been sounding the air raid siren about for many years now. I was reading about how an FBI hostage rescue team had been thwarted to a degree by a kidnapping gang using a swarm of drones to harass and monitor their positions. I then remembered here in Southern California just last year, there was a forest fire where air drops had to be called off because the aircraft had to avoid a collision with a more advanced type of aerial drone (think wingspan of 5 ft. and much larger than the tiny plastic models at Best Buy) capable of reaching tremendous heights. And then years ago, there was the student in college, who with the help of his professor, designed a basic drone to carry a handgun and auto fire upon command with a decent amount of accuracy. He and the drone soon disappeared from public view courtesy of government agents (you probably shouldn't upload the video with you wildly cheering its success on Youtube). Then there were the entrepreneurs who developed a portable router that could not only relay internet connections from just about anywhere you hide / drop it off, but it had a fairly strong built in firmware protection against being pinged and tracked.

This brings to mind our own little world on TNBW. What will happen when a "techy" member develops the software program to auto review works on this site and log in one of a set of generic comment summaries? The review system will be crippled at that point, no? You already know reviewing software like Grammarly and other creative writing check programs exist.

Although I don't write conspiracy themes, maybe I should. For instance, I have for some time always received the same exact wording reply from Randy after logging a review for him. Is it really him or does he already have the software? Can we install a caption check for him? You know, select the following images to prove you are a human. Hmmm.......

Everyone knows I write longer than normal chapters for what passes as mustard on this site. Yet, there have been times that I've gotten multiple reviews, seemingly too time consuming for a human being in the given time frame, from CJ and NJC independently. The reviews were very good and in depth as well ... too good in such a short time frame. Maybe they have review bots?

Ahem, how many of you reading this are not bots? And most importantly, who will get me one, too? I don't want to be the only caveman without a modern home.

I actually wish him well as he's trying to finish multiple books concurrently, I think.

The downside is he's subjecting the writers for review points to a loss from quality vs quantity. Because his high pace consumes a high amount of publishing points, he needs to go into a feeding frenzy for review points. This in turn forces him to not just cut corners if reviews were compared to a thorough in line review, but actually cut out whole sections of the hull before the boat is launched. I don't see him doing this as malicious or such, he's just boxed himself in by his pace so that these are speed skimming reviews out of necessity.

My first thought about what you mentioned regarding Don60 and his waiting for enough points to post his manuscript smacks me of the exact opposite. Someone who needs points but isn't ravaging through chapters for them. I would guess Don60 is likely doing more considerate reviews, else he would be raining down review points into his bucket as well.

Ultimately, it's true that the writer isn't suffering a loss because a skimmed review is still a commentary verses no review at all, in terms of existence rather than substance. However, I do recall one or more of you have posted on the premium forums complaints about speed by reviews in the past that said little to nothing and were just done for the points. If it looked like a duck, quacked like a duck, it was a dash and dine for review points.

I understand this but what Ariion has done (Oh, finally! All this for you to come to this point of yours here.) is expose a large flaw in TNBW site's points for review system. Let's say I decided to put on my *I'm going to Donkey Kong the rest of you for points hat* (couldn't resist as it's one of the only games I did well at in childhood). I could skip in line reviews and do regular reviews while accumulating tons of points by offering 10-15 line summaries of what the chapter was about and a single line of impression.

It also establishes your reputation in the writing community. For example, all of you are quite thorough and detailed in your analysis while wearing your reviewer hat. Because all of you have already established a reputation with many on this site as the kind that aren't going to try to speed through the golden arch drive through for your review lunch points, it can be said when you have little to highlight - it's simply because the writer made it that tough on you with a solidly written chapter. Contrary to this, a review from Ariion may see a day when writers won't even bother to reply back to him or read his review, knowing the kind of review that is waiting for them. Wow, I opened this box and found a smaller box inside ... when I opened the smaller box, uh, I found another box inside that one!

What SolN should do (should have done in the first place IMO) is add to the system the option for the writer to send points to the reviewer in addition to what they already earned from the review. Thus, if someone on a maddening pace, like Ariion, needs a frenzy of points, he can consider getting them through quality reviews where the writer is paying bonus points to him on top of what he got from the system. In addition, this can be used to promote the reputation of top reviewers on the site. Oh, look. I've got another dozen requests offering bonus points if I review these writers kind of thing.

This is actually not a new concept for a writing site. Originally, I was a member of 2 writing sites until I could decide which one I wanted to stick with (obviously TNBW got my vote). On the other site, they have a function where you can "send" a request and list the amount of points you are willing to pay to the reviewer. The reviewer then would look at your request, how much you are willing to pay in points, and send you back an acceptance or declination with a stated reason. This opened up quite an interesting world. You would need to offer more points for reviewers you knew others wanted and would have to *compete* with them. There was even a section listing reviewers by user ratings and turnaround time availability (the reviewer would keep this updated themselves and had the option of *shutting off* review requests as noted).

I once targeted a published author, who also moonlighted as a freelance editor, and found myself having to square off against dozens of others wanting her review services. I was subsequently out priced and had to request her at a later time.

SolN wouldn't have to run his system exactly the same way, but he could adapt some of those things to his current system and make it better. What happens if you don't have enough points to offer and are too low on points? Well, the other site also offered points for sale, so you would have to consider that if you needed points in a hurry and weren't good enough to attract a pool of review points from your reviewing ability.

Time put in is usually a good indicator of quality put in, don't you think? As I mentioned before, my current cover holder for WoP cost me $5.00 and took me 10 minutes to create on a DIY site. If CJ Driftwood made the cover and took one or more days, do you think there would be a qualitative difference? Haha, of course there would be smile

Jumping Jiminy crickets! I think it was only a couple of weeks ago I did a review on chapter 2 or such for Ariion and now that Hindenberg novel of his has just posted chapter 38! Is that a man or writing machine?

After 35 chapters my word count is just over 148k so that's very comparable to Game of Thrones book 1 and Eye of the World from the Robert Jordan Wheel of Time series. If I can end at around 300k that would match those, and at 400k it matches Brandon Sanderson's first published novel, Elantris.

Dryster was the character always intended on bringing it all together for Talmas, though Silver could have done the same. The Ein and Mur concepts have been mentioned only in brief instances for Talmas and Olstas; the reader knows more about it than the characters given the prologue. So with Dryster at his side that will change once he is schooled by the venerable grandmaster. The problem will be I don't think there is anyway around being redundant with the prologue when Dryster teaches Talmas and Olstas about the Ein and Mur in the world. It's going to overlap.

Leira, the capital city of Euthenia where all this is currently taking place, is the next big event. The elven slaves have been sent there and the High King, along with a large number of Hidden Folk, are heading there for an accounting. By the time Talmas and company get there, the city will have already fallen or will be in the final stages of such. I want to avoid another 5 chapter of beginning to end city assault like Silverbranch, and it's not necessary to the plot for Leira to fall blow by blow.

The chapters have been divided in several places and the longest are now: 1 chapter at 9k, 2 chapters at 7k, and 2 chapters at 6k, with all the rest at between 3-5k. Although I'm not trying to copy Robert Jordan, these word counts are very similar to his Eye of the World novel. I didn't look at the word counts for Game of Thrones, but I think it's comparable there too.

I guess the main thing is to finish the novel, and then it will be easier to go back and see what changes need to be done, a lot like finishing a rough draft of a chapter.

Have I written it so far to where reading it causes one to be lost? So far, I haven't seen any comments saying that.

Anyways, I think the main motivational factors are pretty clear for the MC. So far, it's only been the *save the world* one aimed at him, but the other shoe will soon fall and that's vengeance. I like the advice K.M. Weiland offers in her how to books about giving your MC more than one main goal for the story.

The other thing I have to remember, which is true for all our novels either completed or in progress, is readers on this site aren't able or willing to read our novels all the way through like a normal reader would. A normal reader may take a week or so, but by reading from cover to cover without shifting around for long periods of time, they don't move off point for very long at all.

I'll definitely need to replace my cover with a professional one when that time comes. I don't want all my efforts to be mostly torpedoed because of a lackluster cover.

*sigh* My expectations toward the general populace on this site has been lowered in the light of reality. I went ahead and released for points my seven completed chapters of Rise of Kulan (I write it to take a break once and a while from my other main novel). Low and behold! The number of reads is greatest for the most eye-catching title that included words: fairies and monkey.

Okay, so I wasn't completely convinced members on this site zero in on mostly the title of a chapter. I then looked at my read counts on my main novel and the only chapter that has "dwarves" in the title got the most reads by far outside of the first chapter.

So it is the name after all! Want the most views for your chapter? Just give it a flashy name. I guess this is where someone will tell me, "It's the same with book covers. The saying 'never judge a book by its cover' is now completely backwards in truth."

Makes me want to write a crappy chapter and name it - Elves war against Dwarves to get a ton of views and prove the point.

When my World of Phyries is finally finished and seen on Amazon, I take it then that leaving my $5.00 current book cover is like smashing my foot with a rock from my own hands? And yes, in the final completion the book title will be changed from the placeholder World of Phyries to something more streamlined.

Alkemi, congratulations on your novel up on Amazon. I read the synopsis and it certainly comes across as intriguing. Mystery novels do well and have their own dedicated following of readers. It also helps you have several recommendations from other authors accompanying the publishing.

Although your actual name is available, I still prefer Alkemi on our forums as it gives that fantastical element like alchemist. There I go again with the fantasy slant haha. If only we could change lead into gold, cheaply mind you. I understand it can now be done with current technology, but the cost is exhorbitant.

Although I'll do all I can to avoid such an outcome, my novel could very well end up in a trash heap! (called a "slush pile" as I understand the term used by editors in a publishing company).

Unlike J.R.R. Tolkien, I don't have decades to research and create a similar work. As I understand it, Tolkien made maps, made fictional languages, and made entire biographies for various characters (It's like building Noah's Ark out of millions of toothpicks!). So I'll have to wing a lot of it and hope for the best. My only ace is the highly useful feedback I get from all of you and some on the outside of our group. Oh, and the unlimited amounts of times I can go back and change on revision helps a lot, too.

Anyhow, I felt a need to mount such a defense because you had mentioned the same thing before in other reviews. I figured you were emphasizing it to me for a critique point toward readers en masse by repeating the message.

As my plot progresses, I am finding it increasingly difficult to adhere to two concepts I was going to try to use in the early going.
1. I wanted to use the George R.R. Martin, Game of Thrones, approach using less magic in the world and more emphasis on character choices and the resulting outcomes. However, by introducing 2 energy sources (Ein and Mur akin to good and evil or Ying and Yang) I found it forced me to exemplify it through character usage otherwise it creates a huge hole to say here is a hydrogen-powered car and then never feature it in the story. Also, how meaningful can the MC - Talmas be in the story without any kind of power?
2. The late Ursula Le Guin had a pet peeve about fantasy writers often employing killing off the characters to get things resolved in their plot line. She railed against this as a cheap tactic to cater towards selling books over breaking new ground. In her novels, she preferred demonstrating the overall good effects from self sacrifice by her characters. Well, I wasn't able to hold to this concept either because I made villains that were too entrenched in their evil ways and ideally had to eliminate them to pull out the thorn.

I sure hope I can keep this thing under 300k words. Originally, I mentioned to NJC, Kdot, and Amy S that I thought it would finish at around 400k words. I'd rather go shorter and will need to cut my plot events down to do this. I'm currently at 146k words total for 33 chapters as tracked on my Excel worksheet.

Okay, no problem.

Yes, I am sure that is what happened and I even mentioned it to the member in the recap summary - my chapter 21 (retroactively added) shows up in the new postings list whether I like it or not. I wish we had an option to click if we want a chapter displayed on that listing or not. So, like a moth to a flame, this new member could not resist jumping in and providing a whole slew of comments from beginning to end.

Valuable comments such as these -
Do I need to use the word "deafening" in the scene where the behemoth roars out a challenge. My answer - Please check under lion (a real animal that would be at least 1/100 to scale against a behemoth from novel) where they can reach 114 decibels of sound. Medical fact - if a human is exposed to 110 or greater decibels for more than a minute permanent hearing loss can result.

For eager look on its face this is a POV mistake because there isn't anyone in the scene to see the look. My answer - In Lord of the Rings, Tolkien describes a particular landscape as having *evil-looking* castles on hills that must have been built by wicked people. There isn't anyone in the scene at that time to witness "evil-looking", does this mean Tolkien doesn't know how to use POV as well? Of course, it's not even a POV issue as this member doesn't know the difference between narration and POV.

And it goes on and on like that......

Randy recently asked what is going on with the new members. Well, I just got a review for my chapter 21 from said new member and I figured it was going to be a disaster before reading it--I was right. In fact, it was the worst review I've received since being on this site.

The new member at different points in different words commented on not understanding this or that. How could it be any other way? Let's all go to the movie but only watch from the middle to the end, okay?

I want reviews just as much as anyone else on this site, but I think I may need to enclose a disclaimer asking members not to review any chapters unless they've read the beginning ones. It just doesn't work out--ever.....

Understood. Revising your chapters is like refining them to make it read better each time. Here's advice that applies to us all as well in the form of an author quote:

"It is perfectly okay to write garbage—as long as you edit brilliantly." – C. J. Cherryh

I'm in the process of scrubbing out of existence one of my characters--Paldara, so if you don't see her mentioned anymore that's why. I've always planned to introduce another love interest for my MC and there's just not enough room on stage for this many characters. Hence, the one with the least stage time must depart.

No need to ask if I noticed one of my characters ran away........

Looks like that's another thing that would be good to have user control over. I posted 2 chapters - 20 & 29, but I forgot the new postings displays the last item posted, so my chapter 20 is displayed but not 29. If we had a click option to select one out of multiples posted on the same day it would help.

Reviewed NJC's Sorcerer's Progress, book 1, chapters 52-55......

I took Suin's (and other reviewers) advice about breaking up one of my overly long chapters (formerly chapter 19) into 3 smaller chapters since there are multiple scene breaks in it.

If you are reviewing me and can't find chapter 20 or the new incoming chapter 21 it's because I'm still working on them for the new fit. The new compact sized chapter 19 is already posted, I just have to fix the other 2 chapters (20 & 21).

If I remember correctly, Randy has pulled for final editing his Dangerous Alliances novel as it's completed. I know Randy has a couple of other novels in the beginning stages, so he should be the one to ask where he could best use your efforts.

*hands microphone to Randy and jumps off stage*