Hello CJ, thanks for the thoughts. I'm trying with so far limited success to make a story where the villain Jube is asking for is humanity's (especially big energy industry and governments) unwillingness to take climate change seriously. Jube is right, I need a way to personify the villain and increase the conflict, because as I have it now with a nebulous slow moving villain that is (like you express above) more like a cancer than a gunshot.
I have fudged the science and I'm not unwilling to do so, but I do want it to be plausible. A big problem I have trying to keep it plausible is that climate change is unlikely to generate a fast acting catastrophe, one that becomes more compelling than the other more immediate problems our governments face (like Jube's example of terrorist threats (gunshots) vs climate threats (cancers).  They have to deal with the gunshots now, they can get away with holding off on treating the cancer for at least a little while (at least they hope they can).
My approach was to follow life-long efforts by my protagonists to fight against these nebulous antagonists. Comments I've been getting suggest my latest attempt is not working significantly better than my earlier ones. Maybe a more skilled author could make this sort of story compelling, but I don't think I can. You describe what I need to do in your last two lines - speed up the outcome making it more catastrophic. But how can I do that without making the science completely implausible and generating the kind of criticism the movie you referred to generated? I fear it means another restart (one that will annoy reviewers because I've already pushed the restart button on this project more than once).
One final (trivial) comment. Canada's gasoline prices aren't as low as American ones, but our government subsidizes the oil industry in a massive way. Subsidies allow oil companies to produce oil from the Alberta tar sands at costs that are $80 a barrel (or more), sell it for $50 (or less) and make a profit.

Jube wrote: On another note, I'm going to be a bit harsh -- suggesting your novel isn't reviewable following my line of reasoning makes me think of "You don't like the way I threw the ball? I'm taking my ball and going home".

Hello Jube. I don't understand how you came to the conclusion you express in the line above. I was trying to suggest that a story like mine that is struggling to find its way (and mine has been struggling to find its way for several years with the result I've had several false starts) may not fit the model you described for this review group - one in which the reviewers would stick with other members stories from the first chapter to the last. Stories like mine don't fit this model because they keep having false starts and go back to the beginning and start again, or as in the case of one of my restarts go to some other place and start over with different characters. One member expressed frustration with keeping track of what version I was shifting to and where it was going, and I sympathize). I wasn't talking about genres of stories or complaining at your criticism and saying I wanted to 'take my ball and go home'. I understood and mostly agreed with your comments (I've worried about the lack of an identifiable villain for some time and that has generated some of my restarts).
I was thinking about your review group and the implied commitment we made to stick with stories to the end. If I can't get my story to the end, how can you and others commit to reviewing it to the end? That's what I was worried about. I think I've been making an unfair demand on the rest of you. If you or any of the others want to back away from reviewing my story until I can come up with a version that moves from chapter one to the end, I'll understand. To use your baseball metaphor, I'm suggesting you might want to take the ball from me and send me to the bullpen until I have my game together.

Oh, dear. Well Jube, your comments on these forum posts are often long, but I this one might win a prize. But I've struggled through it and I must say I agree with your main point (the one you put in caps). The story lacks a villain (at least a character who represents the villain). As you say the villain is a concept - the idea that humanity has actively or inadvertently put too much stress on the environment, causing all sorts of issues like the wildfires currently plaguing the westernmost US states. I could come up with dozens of other examples and some observers think we risk triggering an event that will dwarf events like recent floods, wildfires, etc. I don't think that's likely over coming decades, maybe even centuries, but I ask the question - why take the risk? Why not reduce the risks by reducing the quantities of greenhouse gases we pump into the atmosphere? Technically, we know how to do it without breaking the bank, but our political and industrial structures make it impossible. So we are stuck with wildfires and maybe the sword of Damocles hanging over our heads.
So, if I try to write a story that develops this philosophy, I can have heroes who investigate the environmental principles and clamour for political action that might mitigate the harmful effects of carbon emissions, but the villain is nebulous - political and economic systems that cannot or will not respond. You are undoubtedly correct, I would have a better story if I managed to invent a villain who represents the reluctance or refusal or sheer pigheadedness that would personify the inability or unwillingness of our political system to respond.
I've thought about that a lot and failed to come up with a villain I found believable. I have tried, including six major restarts and in all these efforts all I've managed to do is generate stories that have more drama than my initial attempt and more conflicts between characters, but never the monumental conflict between a hero and a villain.
So, (there I go again, starting with So) I have a problem. I'm not a story teller or a novelist, I probably never will be. I'm a frustrated environmental scientist playing in his dotage with writing a story - a precautionary tale about the potential hazards of ignoring global scale disruption of the environment. I've been unable to throw off my scientist hat and don a novelist one, and develop a compelling, but to my scientist brain, unbelievable villain. I fear it leaves me with trying again with version 7 of this tale but not until I conjure up a way to tell it with a concept as the villain, or I can find a villain I can buy into. it reminds me of Les Miserables and I did read that whole damn book even all the boring digressions on all sorts of irrelevant topics. I could never buy the story because, while I could accept the hero Valjean popping up in various guises all around the country, I could not accept the idea that the cop Javert popping up in all the same places at just the right time. And anyway, the real villain is the French political and economic system, not a stupid cop. See, I'm hopeless as a novelist - I don't accept the monumental lifelong battle between Valjean and Javert - jeesh, what a philistine am I.
The other thing you suggest in your comments is that I ignore your comments for this novel and try to apply the principles you describe in my next one. I'm not comfortable with that suggestion because I don't want to abandon this damn book I've been working on for years, and I'm not sure I'll ever write another one, at least not one with the sorts of HEROES and VILLAINS you describe above. Maybe I'll go back to my mystery stories, they seemed easier.
Finally, I think I should say thank you for trying to read, understand, analyze and comment on my Environmental Armageddon story. I don't think, in retrospect, I ever had it well enough constrained to make it a good candidate for your alpha to omega review group. I fear that has made it an intractable task for you and others.

Randall, what about your Angola story. I notice you have posted the final chapter. Will you be leaving it up hoping for more reviews? Or will you soon be taking it down and starting a new story?

Hello Randall, Jube (and others if they join the discussion). Randall asks a good question. I haven't been a very active member of the site for some time as I've struggled with refocusing and resurrecting my big climate change project. It was much easier when I was trying to write simple mystery novels. I could chug along posting new chapters every few weeks (not as fast or as prolific as Randall, but fast enough to fit into a reviewing pattern with other members). Progress on my climate change project has been too sporadic and my dedication to reviewing has also spluttered. So I have not been a good member of this group.
I joined when invited because I had great sympathy for Jube's basic premise - one gets a number of reviews of early chapters of a book, but very few for later ones - and his efforts to develop a group that would try to remedy that problem. I found it difficult to do my part in the chosen process (back when I was trying more conscientiously to fulfill my obligations) for two reasons. First, the pace of posting -  some (e.g. Randall) very prolific, others much less so, made it difficult to set up a routine. Second, I found it very difficult to provide insightful reviews for all the fantasy novels.
Those are my feeble excuses. In response to Randall's 'Is the group dead?' question, I would say I hope not because I see the same need for the group as when Jube invited me to join. But do we have a core group (or could we generate a new core group) that could press the big red reset button and reinvigorate this group with or without some discussion of the structure?
Final comment, I think the quality of reviews I've received from members of this group is more consistent and better than the quality of reviews I've received from the general tNBW review pool.

why not C: The terrorists threatening people on the street were captured on CCTV.

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Or you could read Salinger or Kerouac, my favourite Lowry, or others from that era. It was a great time for American (and some Canadian) literature.

Randall just posted here regarding a review of my latest version of my Souring Seas story. It reminded me that I'd forgotten this step in the AtoO review procedure. Over the last month or so, I've reviewed chapters of Stephanie's, Randall's and Jube's stories.

Hello all, First congratulations to Suin for being chosen as one of the finalists in the big contest. Second, my apologies for abandoning this subgroup for too long. I've been wandering in the wilderness wondering about the comments I've received on my Souring Seas story. There's a common theme to the comments, some stated more explicitly than others, that suggest my approach to this book won't work. I will not succeed at making a compelling story that follows a young scientists struggles to develop the scientific basis for climate change action. Reviewers are suggesting I need dramatic action that will draw in readers, but I don't think I can do that with a story set in recent past to present and keep the science credible.
I need a different approach that starts a few years into the future where I can add some dramatic events that don't contradict what I know to be the reality of our present situation.
So, I think I need to start over again with a story that begins some time in few years into the future.  I could rejig the current story, starting a few years form now. That would allow me to add more speculative elements without contradicting known science or events, but I will be stuck with reality that acidification won't become critical for a century. Or I could start posting chapters of what I will call Souring Seas part 2. It will take up the story a few years in the future when I can introduce events that will bring forward the time when acidification rears it ugly head. That might allow me to keep my current story and come back to it and make it a sort of prequel to the new, hopefully be more exciting, one. Maybe if I suck people in with a more dramatic science fiction climate change distopia story, they will be willing to go back and read the boring science based one.
That's what I'm thinking. I will start working on one of those two approaches, but not continue posting new chapters in the current one. In the meantime, I promise to get back to doing reviews.

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Doesn't it depend on who the narrator is? If he was an English teacher, he might talk in a grammatically correct way.

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What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?

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reflection is the bouncing of light off a surface, refraction is the bending of light. It sounds like you are thinking of light bouncing off the surfaces of the moving streamers and getting sent off in various directions, so reflection.

Just posted review of njc's book 2 chapter 10.  Also posted a review of one of Suin's chapters a couple of weeks ago, but I think I forgot to submit notice in this thread.

Hi Don, I went to Amazon.com and tried to buy a copy. The Amazon.com gestapo said I was an enemy alien and not permitted to buy anything on Amazon.com. They shunted me to Amazon.ca which is okay, I can still buy a copy, but you won't benefit from the tiny little benefit to your Amazon.com best seller ranking. And don't accept any Canadian pennies when they try to pay you. They've not been legal tender for years.
cheers

Congratulations, Don. When reviewing, I found the fantasy and werewolves theme hard to deal with, but maybe if I just tried to read it... I'll experiment with the ebook on Amazon.
cheers

I guess I'll need a drone if I'm ever to get any Amazon reviews for my book. Do you think the taxman will consider that a legitimate expense?

Hi I'm back again with an update. I now have the paperback version of A Body in the Sacristy on Amazon.com.  Createspace said the proof would take 14 days to arrive. It got here in 4, so I am about ten days ahead of my anticipated schedule. I can now relax and get back to reviewing and posting new chapters of my more recent efforts.
Thanks everyone for all the help I've received from people on this site. Couldn't have done it without you.

Yeah, I came to that conclusion after reading your comments. The question is can I pull it off!

Thank you everyone for the kind words. Publishing my first book has been a rush, but it's kind of addicting. I keep going to the kdp site to check on numbers of sales. I mean, I need to stand back and let it ride and get back to doing reviews and posting new chapters of my current projects.
It has been a good experience and not as difficult as I expected. I have to thank many people on this site for helping me get to this point.
cheers

I should have posted here a message about my book now being 'live' on Amazon. So belatedly, here it is. Yesterday I published my first novel, A Body in the Sacristy, the first one in my Barrettsport Mysteries series on Amazon. Only the e-book is up so far, print version still to come. Good we have this thread in the Alpha to Omega group, but there should really be a similar thread in the premium group. Anyway, I am really happy to have this story officially out there, already sold four books but I doubt that will last. But it is exciting and I can't resist checking on my sales. I wonder if that is healthier than being addicted to pornography?
Thanks for all the help. You may not have been commenting on this particular book, but the lessons are often translatable.
cheers, Alkemi   (no Jube, I am not planning to drop my slightly fantasy-like moniker on this site.  But I meant it to refer to old time medieval alchemists, not fantasy characters.)

Hi all, I couldn't resist introducing my first forum topic. Yesterday I published on Amazon my first book. It's called A Body in the Sacristy and is the first of my Barrettsport Mysteries (I currently have number four in the series active on the site). I am using the pen name Alan Kemister for these books. So far, only the e-book is published, I'm working on the print version.
I posted the first draft of A Body in the Sacristy on theNextBigWriter in 2013 and 2014. Some old hands might remember it. Since then I have made many revisions as I learned about this creative writing business from all the helpful people on this site. I think I now have a book I can be proud of.
Here is the link:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss … e+Sacristy

One last question. Is there a thread for announcing new book publication that I should have been using?

Thanks, everyone, for helping me become a better writer.

Hey Jube, in the review I posted this am of your chapter 24, I said your story was getting too fantastical for me. You seem to have taken my comment to imply I thought it was too fantastical for anyone and therefore destined for the trash heap. I didn't mean that. I was only referring to my own plodding, pedantic, pedestrian imagination. I am well aware that there are many very popular books in this genre. Interesting, but probably meaningless, that the only one I've read (Lord of the Rings) seems to be the only one you haven't read.

Posted review this morning of Jube's story chapter 24. Only one chapter but it was gargantuan!

Posted reviews of chapters 25 and 26 of CJ's Raven's Curse.

Hi, submitted over past two days reviews of two more chapters of Matthews AtoO Krudges. Only three more to go.