j p lundstrom wrote:

Michael Connelly is my favorite author, but I wouldn't consider him a "thriller" author.  I consider a thriller to be a story with a lot of running and chasing, menacing bad guys in high places, and intelligent, misunderstood main characters whom nobody believes.  With that definition in mind, I nominate Grisham for stories like the Pelican Brief and Runaway Jury.  Of course, there's stuff like Jurassic Park, where the menace is Mother Nature in the hands of a crazy scientist, which takes us back to The Island of Doctor Moreau.

Michael Connelly is my guilty pleasure...I can not stand his style of writing but his plots are masterful and that's what brings me back time and time again. I think my favorite M. C. book would have to be Concrete Blonde. However, Bosch wastes a lot of time running around L. A. trying to identify the dead girl when all he had to do was get the serial numbers off of her breast implants...unless they were hot implants put in by a crooked doctor under the radar...

But what I really like about his character Bosch is how calm the narrative is before he blows someone away. You almost never see it coming....

Runaway Jury is another of my all time favorite Gresham novels...but his novel The Chamber, about the death penalty, changed the way I think about capital punishment. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it!

dags:)

Oh, I love the look on Claude's  face when Cary is half carrying Ingrid down the stairs and out of there, he knows he and probably his mother are going to end up in the river...WHAT GREAT ACTING!!

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Notorious is a great movie. Not much action, you're right. My favorite part is when Cary Grant grabbed Ingmar Bergman and left Claude Rains to deal with the Nazis...or whatever they were...and not a shot fired.

PByrd wrote:

This weekend, I spent about an hour providing a detailed In-line Review - I love this functionality on both the receiving and giving end. However, the response I received from that particular author told me my review was worthless because it was in In-line instead of regular. All I could think was, huh. I completely understand there are differences of opinion to this new review ability. I don't want to waste my time any more than others do, so I have a simple suggestion. If the author has a preference for reviews when posting work, please state so. Something such as: "Only Regular Reviews requested," or "No preference on reviews - any and all accepted."

If you visit my story to review, I'll be happy to receive any input you are willing to provide. My goal is my story, not the system's functionality. All things considered, this is a pretty darn good system - it's just different.

PByrd

While you might think, Huh... I would have said...well never mind what I would have said. I hope you get better responses from now on.
I like in-line reviews, to give and receive. It's so much easier than getting at the end and trying to remember what you were going to mention.
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Since I posted that link to Grandmothers getting high I feel I have compensate by leaving a relevant post. I like Dean Kootz better than Stephan King. One thing I really admire about him personally is that he endured years of abuse at hands of an alcoholic father and instead of shaving his head and killing a bunch of people when he grew up...he turned his nightmares into fiction. His style is easy to read and another thing I appreciate about his work is that he always has a solid beginning, middle and end, something lacking in some of Kings work.

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Okay, this has nothing to do thrillers unless you think getting three grand mothers high is akin to one of Stephan King's novels...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/1 … 88430.html
It might not be thrilling but it is the funniest thing you'll see all day....

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jack the knife wrote:

My favorites are Nelson DeMille, Michael Connelly, Greg Iles, Robert Crais, Vince Flynn (RIP). I've read Clancy, of course - stories are good, though a little too techno-geek for me - and also Silva. Paul Erdman was known for writing financial thrillers - right up your alley, Cobber. Clive Cussler tells some wild, but quite entertaining stories. Michael Crichton (another RIP) spun some hair-raising yarns based on potential technology. I channeled him, actually, when I wrote "The Side Effect." I've heard Lee Child, with his Jack Reacher series, is good, but he's still on my to-read list. John Sandford is more mystery/crime than thriller, but he's had some good books with his "Prey" series. Enough for now. Any more authors I should check out, folks?

How about Sue Grafton?

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You have to turn the text off.

When you uploaded the cover  there is an option that is checked for 'add title/author'.  If you click this and turn it off, the text will no longer appear.

Thanks for that Tirz....I up loaded a book cover and along with the title in my font was one with the sites font too...this really helps!

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jack the knife wrote:

Well, Dags, in the old days a doc had to rely on the PHYSICAL EXAMINATION to make a diagnosis. He didn't have MRIs and ultrasounds to help. I remember being a medical student rotating through Surgery when a senior resident pontificated, "The physical exam ain't worth the powder to blow it up." And that was a long time ago! In the old days, a surgeon, based on his findings and the medical history related by the patient, would hoist the kid onto the kitchen table, give some ether - if he had some - through a gauze mask, and take out the kid's appendix. "Memoirs of a Small-Town Surgeon" by John Brooks Wheeler (1935) makes for some fascinating reading. That small town was in Vermont, so I have some bias in that regard. smile I admire those old guys, the pioneers, who blazed the trail for future surgeons to follow. They knew their stuff! Sorry for the rant, but your post struck a chord with me.

I knew it would. Thanks for little medical history lesson, I love to hear about what it was like in the old days. I guess I was being too hard on the screenplay, but still...I have to agree with the senior resident.
However, it makes me wonder just how over-priced our medical care is today when so many kitchen appendectomies patients survived...if he HAD ether??? Maybe they didn't...lol...
If you think of any films that offended your medical sensibilities let me know...I know when I see someone who's supposed to be an artist sit in front of a canvas painting over the same spot without any paint on their brushes drives me crazy...it's like just hire a real painter for a hand close up...

dags smile

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Jack
I was wondering if the way medicine was portrayed in 'the old days' of movies bothered you.
I've had just a splattering of medical training and it drives me crazy. Like the other day I was watching the movie Alias The Doctor, made in 1932, and the MC, a doctor of course, looks at a child car accident victims head for five seconds and announces that the boy has a skull fracture and a hematoma. Now, I might be wrong and feel free to correct me, (like I could stop you;)), but didn't you need x-rays in 1932 to diagnose a skull fracture? Also, the kid was whimpering through out the scene. Is that possible? AND does it matter?
dags smile
PS...Oh, yeah, I forgot, he did brain surgery in the same room he used for reception....:D

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Max I kinda agree with Jack...however, if you didn't over do the He and Yu jokes, it might work.

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Max, I can't imagine meeting all those people. I wouldn't even be able to say hello. Your memories are especially precious since most of Golden Hollywood is gone. Maybe there's a memoir in you somewhere about your days in film school.

About the maid...I hope she was wearing a little French maid uniform and made you feel like Cary Grant...

Impressed in West Texas, dags smile

SolN wrote:

Ok. I give up. We'll raise the limit to 10 for Premium Members. It may take a couple of days for us to get around to it.

Sol

Sol, may I suggest you pull groups showing no activity for three to six months. That might help eliminate some of your concern about too many groups. If you put a written warning on the group page, it might discourage those fly-by-night members who join only for Strongest Start and disappear shortly thereafter, leaving behind a group taking up space.

Just a thought.

dags smile

PS you might also make it mandatory to have at least three members in the public groups.

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jack the knife wrote:

Oop[s, I meant Kwai, rather than Quai. My bad!!

That's okay, I spelled Gillian with a J and had to correct it. I blame it on our youth....

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maxkeanu wrote:

North by Northwest-
In film school we had Ernest Lehman as a guest one night, wrote the original screenplay for NNW. Everyone was expecting great literary and cinema revelations, but Ernest admitted that, "we just made it all up (the locations) as we went along". So, like a rough draft (or a thousand cans of raw, unedited film... cans, as it was called in the old days) the real creativity happens in the editing room or appears as the novel is edited.

I also met Cary Grant's maid. And, I met Hitch.

I remember hearing that story on TCM, Max. Not the part about them having cans and cans of film, but that he and Hitchcock...I have to write out his name because I didn't meet him wink...sat around and made it up. Maybe how they got Cary to sit across from Eva was left on the cutting room floor.

I kid you about meeting 'Hitch', but count me very impressed, jealous and in awe. As for Cary Grant's maid...what did she have to say?

dags:)

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jack the knife wrote:

Okay, in The Bridge on the River Quai, at the end, when William Holden gets killed, Jack Hawkins gets defensive with his Thai women bearers, and protests that he had no choice. What? To kill Holden with his mortars? No, Holden was killed by Japanese rifle fire. I never got that scene.

In NBNW, the plot from that point on depended on Cary sitting across from Eva in the dining car. So how could that be "arranged" on purpose? And in the very beginning, the fortuitous event of Cary just happening to be there when the victim is knifed and then getting the knife in his hand... But I didn't care! It was exciting, I like Cary Grant, and it was a good movie!

In Heat, with Pacino and DeNiro, when DeNiro's crew is coming out of the bank they just robbed, Pacino, who's heading to the bank but is still blocks away, somehow can see that far and says, "They're already coming out of the bank!" And then at the end, from a similar distance away, he sees DeNiro's girlfriend waiting for him in the car. And then, when DeNiro is running away, Pacino just happens to guess right on the direction he took. But I still liked that flick! The shootout scene in the streets of LA - based on a real-life shootout, I've heard - is awesome. Great acting by all concerned, including Val Kilmer.

I'll think of some more, given the time. The point is that, though some WTF moments occur in films, the good ones don't let those moments ruin the movie.

I knew I could count on you. Wow...you really pay attention to details in movies. But you hit on  something I think applies to writing too, because really all a movie is, is a film version of a script, and that's 'the good ones don't let those moments ruin the movie.'

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JACK...Thanks for up-dating me on North by Northwest. All I could remember was that Grant was let out of a bus surrounded by fields. The next time it's on TCM I'll watch it. But I did remember wondering what they thought chasing him with a plane would accomplish and I remember Hitchcock putting it in the film because it looked exciting....Again, I'll have watch the movie. Jack you should get Gillian Flynn's editor...evidently they weren't as picky as yours.

dags:)
Ps....I googled NXNW and you were right. Now I'll have to think of another example...if you can let me know...Or if anyone reading this can think of a film with a big plot hole...SHARE....:)
PPS...And I forgot the plane spewed bullets...still it was a pretty inefficient way to kill a man....but it was dramatic to watch...and you said the plot holes didn't bother you...why didn't they....????

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*Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen or read Gone Girl.*

While I was thinking about the plot holes in my own novels I wondered if I was the only one to see them and if I were should I correct them even if none of the reviewers caught them.

Then I thought about Gone Girl and while it was a great read the whole plot hinged on how brilliant Amy was, but as it is with all criminals they are not near as brilliant at fooling police as they think they are, and were this not a work of fiction there is no way Amy could have gotten away with murder. The reason? She was seen, albeit disguised, dark short hair, heavier, meeting her supposed kidnapper, in a public place. Also she was recognized before that by two people in the cabin park she stayed while Nick, her husband, was being accused of her murder.

Amy might be banking on those two people not wanting to come forward because they stole her money at gun point, but when it comes to murder...if they were ever arrested they would flip on her for a lighter sentence...or, and this is not likely, come forward out of a sense of justice.

Amy might also think that she had a really good disguise, IMO she did NOT, but her face was all over the media for weeks, so much so that you'd have to be on the moon not to know she was missing. Also, while she was in disguise the guy she killed was not. Someone in that crowd could have come forward while she was still missing with a reported sighting.

And then there's the mother of the man she killed. For the author, Gillian Flynn, to take for granted everyone would dismiss her because she's a 'mental case', a grieving mother defending her son, the kidnapper, is idealistic.

As for Nick staying with her because her story was air tight and she would be believed and not him is unrealistic, because as I've shown, there were big plot holes that a first year police detective could see. 

So...why did such a flimsy plot become a best seller and a hit movie? Because the author's writing caused the reader to suspend their disbelief and go along for the ride. Alfred Hitchcock called the moment when you realize the book you've just read or the movie you just saw couldn't have happened the way it was portrayed 'refrigerator' moments. He said that the average movie goer will go home after a film, open the refrigerator door, reach for that midnight snack and then the plot hole occurs to them...like how did the plane find Cary Grant in North By Northwest?

So...my question is this: If you find a plot hole in your story and no one else does, do you fix it? Or hope your writing is good enough to suspend the reader's disbelief?

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jack the knife wrote:

Okay, Sol, the scroller still doesn't go to the bottom of my connections list when I want to send a message to one of the last two names on the list. Now I can see the names I couldn't before, but my last two connections - including you - aren't visible. If I make two more connections, then your name will show on the list, it seems. Can't this bug be fixed? I'd hate to make new connections just so I can send a private message to a now-hidden-from-view older connection.

Jack go to the top of your browser where you see the words: File, Edit, View, History, Bookmarks, Tools and Help. Click view, on the drop down menu is 'zoom' click on that, on that drop down menu click 'zoom out' until all the names are visible. Your font is too big for the box and zooming out will decrease the size of the font in the box...:)

I left you a review tonight...and I'll leave one every night until I'm done. The writing is excellent and the story grabbed my interest. Is this the vet from your short story, damn it, I can't remember the title, about the dog and the old lady and the vet? ANYWAY I highly suggest that anyone reading my post read The Christening...Michelle is a born story-teller, she takes you through a story the way a sail boat cuts through still waters. CHECK IT OUT....:)

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njc wrote:

Working Border Collies can run 100 miles a day, subject to weather.  They need something to do.

I confess I did not research this breed before I bought him. I needed a little dog that was not a poodle. My patient's dog died years ago and every time we see the doctor he asks if my patient has a dog yet. He looks directly at me when he says it meaning he thinks she needs a dog.

So when the opportunity to get a small dog through my patient's family presented itself I jumped at it. Also my daughter has a Border Collie so I knew I'd have an expert on the breed on speed dial.

But njc is right if I don't keep him busy he'll get in big trouble. Upside my patient loves him.

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Sorry that's Sheltland Sheepdog and Border Collie.

j p lundstrom wrote:

I'm conducting an experiment.  My stuff carried over from the old site to the premium group, so I posted a chapter to Cop Shop and a short story to Thriller, just to see which got the most response.  So far, the story in Thriller has had the most immediate feedback.  But that's just me.  JP

P.S.  I forgot to say: the group that's shown the least response is the Premium Group.  I was thinking it was because there's such a lot of stuff to choose from, people are still finding their way.  What has been your experience?

Jack--If you can, I vote that we change the name of the group to Thriller....

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I write, actually I'm rewriting, whenever Bear lets me. I've never had a puppy as young as Bear, I got him when he was six weeks old, and I had no idea he would be so much work. His breed, Shetland Border Collie, is within the ADD spectrum, meaning they need 70 minutes of exercise a day. Potty training, throwing stuff for him to bring back, plus work leaves me with almost no energy to write. Fortunately for me, my son and I decided Bear needed doggie time with my son's dogs, every weekend.

So now I'm going to write on the weekend and do whatever Bear wants the rest of the week....

I have a rule in my life, if it's complicated don't mess with it. What you describe is so complicated. When you say post do you mean your published work on the site will show up to be reviewed in groups? Or do you mean a post like the one I'm writing now? If it's the former then I would use a different word than post for clarification. I would use the word 'publish' or 'submission'. And if it's the later, why would anyone want to post in a forum if it cost points?

The language describing the problem is the problem here. At least for me.

Bottom line, I don't think blending the site and group forums was a good idea.

Also, with instant messaging and 'quickees' a person can post, edit, rewrite and repost and still receive feedback without the constraints of the review and/or it costing them anything except the price of the initial posting. Since Sol is doing away with the editing charges, a person could just publish a few sentences, costing him next to nothing, then go back and put in a full text for nothing.

The site got rid of the rating system because it could be rigged, which was imo good, making editing free is just another way to cheat the system.

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maxkeanu wrote:
SolN wrote:

Hi,

You can delete it by going to the group, going to Members, and then deleting yourself. You will see an option when you delete yourself to also delete the group.

BTW - how did you create your groups? I ask because right now there is a limit of 5 groups total (joined or created) per user. You seem to have six.

Thanks,
Sol

Hi Sol,
How did I d0 it? I sat down with a bottle of Sangria and started typing... beats me.

But when I was a mad-hatter coder, when I got +1 errors,  I always checked my SQL rows creation code and limitations, AND math functions and precedence of expressions, making sure that the code started from 0. So, 0 though 4, not 1 through 5, in an array... means evaluating, counting from 1 through 5 which would give you 6.

Time for a new bottle of Sangria and some Friday night salsa music!

You just proved something I've long suspected. Zero really does have value numerically. Good for you for trying! dags:)