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(10 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

I didn't need a review. Just the synopsis of the plot was enough for me. What people don't understand is BSM is an ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE. It's not like being Gay, you aren't born wanting to be bound and hurt during sex, or emotionally abused by someone you love. It's a choice.

BSM never interested me so I didn't buy the book and I'm not going see the movie.

What's really strange is the reaction of my hometown REPUBLICAN leaning newspaper, who got upset over Gay marriage, but was VERY excited Fifty Shades was coming to town. It seems they would rather see women dominated and humiliated by a male rather than allow two people in love make a commitment  to each other.

I'm just waiting for all the accident death, maiming, and irreversible comas due to being deprived of oxygen cases to come out of this sadistic sexual practice making its way into pop culture.

sad

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(28 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

April Cummins Kohl wrote:

Now Voyager is my all-time favorite. Who can forget Charlotte's line, "Oh, Jerry, don't let's ask for the moon. We have the stars." ?

April, By the time Charlotte gets to that big moment I'm crying like a baby...no other movie touchs me as deeply as this one. I like to think of this as love done right... big_smile
Ps...I want to be Charlotte when I grow up. She had every right to be bitter and vengeful, yet she gave back until the end.

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

Jeannie--Would you mind spelling my name Dangy? I just spelled it that way for a screen name. Who knew there were so many Ayn Rand fans online??

Congratulations on another great book!!! Now where's number 4??

Dags big_smile

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(13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

SolN wrote:

The problem I've been having when using my tablets, Kindle Fire and Dell is with the inline highlighting. Without a mouse I can only highlight the width of my finger. When I drag nothing happens. Is this something you're working on?

Are you pressing and waiting for the cursor to appear and then seeing two arrows appear at either end that you can lengthen to select the text? I will do a video next week that describes exactly how to do an inline on mobile. Maybe this is the problem.

It should definitely work on Kindle as I've tested it extensively on one. It should also be okay on Dell. Let  me know how you are doing inlines and then we can take it from there.

SolN--of course I wasn't waiting for the arrows...it works when you know how to work it...problem solved! Thanks so much for your patience!!  dags big_smile

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(13 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

The problem I've been having when using my tablets, Kindle Fire and Dell is with the inline highlighting. Without a mouse I can only highlight the width of my finger. When I drag nothing happens. Is this something you're working on?

And THANK YOU SO MUCH for the email alerts when contacts post new content!!!!

dags big_smile

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(4 replies, posted in Romance Inc.)

Ann Everett's mother passed away this week. I thought I should announce it here since I know this group is near to her heart. 

Dagny

Sol just decided to move the free group to Booksie...I don't know what else he could do without making the system so complex no one understood it. So...the site is back to the way it was before we moved... smile

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(14 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Cool beans. I hope you can quit your day job soon!! As Gacela said you deserve this!
dags big_smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

JL Mo wrote:
janet reid wrote:

The reading list is useless - it takes you to Chapter 1 of the piece and not the next chapter you need to review or the last chapter you had reviewed.  The old reading list saved "chapters", not books, so I used that function on the old site to the max to keep track of who and how much I have reviewed and who or what was next.  So now, I'm using my reading list more like a "to-do" list than anything else.

I also tried to only connect with writers I need to recip - that way, I only needed to keep an eye on my new connection content.  That quickly went down to the drain as I have used the messaging functionality to send private messages to writers that I just simply can not review at the moment because I can't keep up with the recips as it is.

Short of running a paper or Excel reading list on the side, I'm out of ideas to keep it all together on the site.  So if anyone has a suggestion for a fish bowl brain like mine (yes, fish bowl, not goldfish smile ), please let me know!  Who knows, end of 2016 I might just say thank you with a review of your work!

I realize this thread is "Fight Club" but I have to sing the praises of Janet for a moment.   ♫ Thank you! ♫ Thank you! ♫ Thank you! ♫

It is so nice to know that I am not the ONLY one having this problem. I cannot keep up with the postings, always being sent back to the first page, and not knowing where the HELL I left off at. Fearing it was age-related, I didn't want to ask/say anything. The person who can explain how to "bookmark" where one leaves off wins our deep-felt appreciation, and, at least TWO reviews of your work.

JLMO...I know the name of the group is Fight Club but it's not just a place to fight. I created it so people could come in here and say whatever they wanted and they wouldn't be judged by the moderator. Now, as for being judged by peers...I can not help that. Even in judging the peers have a right to express themselves too. I wanted a no-censor zone, a group that governs itself, where everyone is heard. Anyway, Fight Club sounds better than Complaint Department....to me, anyway.... big_smile

PS...so far this group has been a success in proving what I've always thought, given the freedom to say anything the members of TNBW can and do conduct themselves in a civilized fashion and do not need a moderator to approve or disapprove of what's being said. I feel that if anyone really got truly nasty the members of the group will handle it. big_smile

I like the inline because I can open up double browsers,put them side by side, one window open to the review and the other to the edit page of my chapter. Correcting nits is so much easier that way. smile

I upgraded originally because on the old site you couldn't post without being a paid member, and I upgraded to this site because I've forged good reviewing relationships with people I trust and wanted them to receive points for reading my stuff.

smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

janet reid wrote:
dagnee wrote:

Janet, you have the right idea. I am hoping that with disagreements come resolutions, but it's okay if no resolution can be found. I just felt so strongly about what happened not only in France, but what happened to Sony, that I felt as a site that represents the written word we should be able to write what we wanted in our group forums. Viva la liberté d'expression!!!! big_smile

Oh, depends on who joins, I think things will be going for a nose-dive soon!  But have to say, those kind of personalities are in the minority as far as I know!

You know, I've been thinking and even though I wanted just one rule in this group, I don't own the site. So I think I need a few rules in order to stay welcome on this site. So here they are...I'll add them to the Welcome post as well as the description of the group.

Other than don't complain to me I think the members should first invite the person they have a disagreement with to join them in the forum. If that person declines, no post addressed to or about that person.

If the person is already a member, invite them to discuss the issue between you.

I think that about covers it. I just don't want someone reading their name in the forum and going to Sol and ending my experiment before it's begun. If it were up to me there wouldn't be any rules. But as a group, a guest really, on a website, we really should respect our host.

Now, I could eliminate those rules by making the group invitation only and the forum seen by members only. It's up to you guys.

dags smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

janet reid wrote:
dagnee wrote:
Derek Atkins wrote:

Well, since this thread is to vent or kick an author's arse, I think the first arse in particular should be mine. I realize that I owe Dags an apology. I included a line or two of inappropriate opinion on a piece of hers. Dags--I'm sorry about that! You were classy not to punt me down the asphalt.

I agree that someone pilfering your work is a punch in the gut, but using the date of postings won't really nail it down as to actual guilt. It all depends on when it was really written, which you can't judge without saved file dates. That won't ease the pain any, but if the stolen items are words or random phrases, it's just not actionable.

I'm sorry you misunderstood what I meant, Derek, I welcome differing opinions on my editorial work, just not personal attacks. But, and I should have added this, I refrain from offering a differing opinion on editorials because that only leads to more discourse on the subject. Even when I agree, I try not to comment on the opinion but the writing. I used to not be this way, but after a couple of years of fighting with people who weren't going to change their minds and I wasn't going to change mine it seemed counter-productive to continue the discussion.

People can disagree with me all they want, I don't mind, what I do mind is them making assumptions about my life based on a forty year old memory.

No apology needed, Derek!

And you're right about the date stuff, I forgot about reposting.... smile

Have you guys even READ the rules of fight club?  it's not the kumbaya group!  *growls*

ps - bold is the new CAPS LOCK, because I say so!  wink  (I hope you guys get winks, because otherwise I'm gonna be in big trouble soon in this group!)

But seriously, this is great!  Communication ... who would've thought it may actually resolve issues, get people to understand each other better?!  It takes a very special kind of person to be big enough to apologise.  Especially on this internet thingy where the whole world can see it!

Hats off to you guys!  (and by guys, I also mean girls!)  But by all means, take me on on that, this is FC after all!  *hits boxing gloves against each other making dust sprinkles in a ray of sunshine*

Janet, you have the right idea. I am hoping that with disagreements come resolutions, but it's okay if no resolution can be found. I just felt so strongly about what happened not only in France, but what happened to Sony, that I felt as a site that represents the written word we should be able to write what we wanted in our group forums. Viva la liberté d'expression!!!! big_smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

jack the knife wrote:

Okay, I was doing my voyeur thing and saw this thread. So I had to opine. Which meant I had to join this group. No biggie. It looks like a place for some spleen venting! smile So you're talking about writers who gladly take your reviews, and are even effervescent in their gratitude, perhaps - and you never see them review your stuff. A one-way street. The new site lets folk get away with this without what might appear at first to be untoward consequences, because there's always the Free site to pillage and mine, but let me tell you, bubs, an author who does that to me will never get another review from me until that author sees the light. And I'm not insisting on a one-for-one. Like CJ, I've reviewed a whole novella of an author on this site. Have I received even one review in response? No. Another author on this site - I reviewed multiple chapters of her lengthy novel and received one I-paid-my-dues review. Hey, we're no longer shooting for the Top Ten novel list anymore; that's not the issue. The more eyes on a posting, the better the chances that all the nits will be exposed. That's what I'm here for - the "free" editing! smile If I'm willing to use my time and experience to help out a fellow author, why can't said author do the same for me? And I'm not talking about those newbies on the Free site, but "established" writers who should know better. You all know who you are.   Jack

Jack...of course I agree with you. I have to say, though, I am so glad we don't have the top ten list anymore. There were soooo many ways to game the results. When I first joined someone told me that list hadn't moved in a lot of years. I reviewed my ass off and got enough return reviews to get Ronan to number 2. But then I realized, after the third re-write, that while being number 2 was nice, I wasn't going to keep re-writing Ronan just to get to number 1 and took it off so that other people would have a chance. I guess I shamed some other authors to do the same thing because people who'd been on that list for years started pulling their work and the log jam was broken.* I know you and Ann Everette got to the top ten on your first draft and when it was time for you guys to publish you pulled it.

I thought when people first lobbied to get rid of the list it might discourage new writers from reviewing, but since Sol got rid of it, I don't see any difference in my reviews, as long as I review I get reviewed, unless I run into the kind of reviewers you and CJ described.

Where's your next chapter btw??? dags smile
*of course it's all about me, it couldn't possibly be those authors realized the same thing I did, re-writing is a pain in the ass just for a number... big_smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

j p lundstrom wrote:

This isn't necessarily something to fight about, but you know what I really like about  the new site?  The pictures!  (I did say this before, now that I think abut it.)  Adding a picture to your story really draws the reader in.  IMO it's not a waste of time, it's marketing.  JP

JP--I picked the name Fight Club because I wanted people to know they could come in here and say whatever they wanted even if it started a fight. But that doesn't mean you can't say something that won't cause a fight. smile I also wanted some place for people to vent their anger over whatever and know no one is going to judge them. Basically, I just wanted people to have a place where they didn't have to worry about what they say because someone else wouldn't like it and report it.

You know I didn't think I would like the pictures, because I am such a snob about art. I wanted the covers to be tasteful, MY TASTE, and thought other people's idea of art wouldn't equal mine. But I admit, I was wrong. The cover art has been pretty good and I enjoy making my own covers, something we all need practice at if we self-publish.

So...JP...write about anything you want to in here!

dags smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

Derek Atkins wrote:
dagnee wrote:

Jp, CJ...


Even if it's an editorial piece I'm reviewing I try to review the writing and not the opinion being stated and I thought that's what everyone did.
dags smile

Well, since this thread is to vent or kick an author's arse, I think the first arse in particular should be mine. I realize that I owe Dags an apology. I included a line or two of inappropriate opinion on a piece of hers. Dags--I'm sorry about that! You were classy not to punt me down the asphalt.

I agree that someone pilfering your work is a punch in the gut, but using the date of postings won't really nail it down as to actual guilt. It all depends on when it was really written, which you can't judge without saved file dates. That won't ease the pain any, but if the stolen items are words or random phrases, it's just not actionable.

I'm sorry you misunderstood what I meant, Derek, I welcome differing opinions on my editorial work, just not personal attacks. But, and I should have added this, I refrain from offering a differing opinion on editorials because that only leads to more discourse on the subject. Even when I agree, I try not to comment on the opinion but the writing. I used to not be this way, but after a couple of years of fighting with people who weren't going to change their minds and I wasn't going to change mine it seemed counter-productive to continue the discussion.

People can disagree with me all they want, I don't mind, what I do mind is them making assumptions about my life based on a forty year old memory.

No apology needed, Derek!

And you're right about the date stuff, I forgot about reposting.... smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

Jp, CJ...

I'll review anyone who reviews me...almost. It depends on the review.

I won't review people who comment on me personally and not what was written. I had a reviewer tell me maybe if I wasn't such a bad person I'd have more luck with men in a review of a blog entry describing a man I probably should have dated and didn't. When he asked I did give him a phone number, though, to Dial A Prayer. For some reason that made me an awful person. The situation I described happened almost forty years ago, a life time ago, and after I'd gotten married, divorced and dated my share of frogs, to quote Ann Everette. I never had trouble attracting men, just the right ones. Now I am happily unattached in my old age and I really don't miss the high maintenance most relationships require. In other words, that reviewer didn't know anything about my life, made a snap judgment about my relationships with men, and said nothing about what was written. 

Even if it's an editorial piece I'm reviewing I try to review the writing and not the opinion being stated and I thought that's what everyone did. What I really like about this site is when you get a review like that you can delete it. I also like being able to block reviewers from my stuff. On the other site people would trash me in forums and then were able to read me. Now, I don't know that any of them did, but the idea drove me crazy, that they could access my stuff and either be entertained or fill emails with how much they hated what I wrote. Now I know they can't read me and from what I can tell a few of them really don't like being deprived of my work.

As for reviewers who don't review back or say thank you...they won't last long here.

dags smile

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(4 replies, posted in Fight Club)

j p lundstrom wrote:

Here's my second complaint--But first, some background:  I lost some material.  I threw it away, then my computer crashed, so I can't get at the old version.  I had a hard copy, but I guess I threw that away, too.  I had emailed copies to my son and daughter, so I went back over my old emails, but I'd sent them the new version.  So here's the complaint.  I tried going back to the old site to reclaim what I had posted there, and I got a blank page, then I got a message telling me to upgrade, if I wanted to post.  Does that mean my old stuff no longer exists, or does it mean we have to pay up to get in?  I thought Sol said we could go back to the old site, or was he really saying "get with it or get out?"  If my old stuff is gone, okay, I'll reinvent it.  I was just surprised to find I'm a member here, but not over there.

The same thing happened to me, I lost a short story, but fortunately I had it on an old computer. I don't know what happened, most of my stuff made it to the new site.
I know that a few years ago a poet had deleted every trace of her poem and Sol was still able to find it for her in the saved data on the old site. I don't know if he could find your work since we transfered to the new site, but I don't think there's any harm in asking.
I think the only thing active on the other site is the forum, some members did not want to let it go.
I hope this helps, I know how frustrating it can be to lose work, hopefully Sol can help you.

dags smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

j p lundstrom wrote:

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like some of the things I've written seem to be showing up in other people's work.  A tiny idea here, a turn of phrase there...  I know I'm just beginning, so my stuff's not all that great, which makes it harder to take.  I work long and hard to put just the right words together to mean exactly what I want to say.  Am I paranoid?  Does this mean I don't really have an original idea in my head. and everybody else is saying the same thing?  I have started a couple of reviews and been stung to see exactly my words in someone else's story.  Or am I unconsciously repeating what I've read somewhere else?  Are they?  How can one tell?  Does it even matter?

JP...This should be easy for you to prove, just check the date the 'suspect' writer posted their work with your words and compare it with your posting dates. I would also copy what I felt had been lifted from my work and paste it in a word document. If the writer seems to continually lift phrases from your work you can confront them with data. It would be  helpful, too, in proving whether you're the lifter and not the liftee.

I don't know that you are paranoid. That's why documenting is so important in matters like these, you take a look at the whole picture and that way you can tell if you're imagining things or not.

Of course it matters if someone is using your hard work. About ten years ago I belonged to an online writing group that was part of Yahoo groups. So it was nothing like this site. Loosely organized and ran by a moderator who was using the group to hook up with women, we pretty much did what we wanted. Someone wanted a good example of erotica and so some of us sat down and wrote sex scenes as erotic as we could make them. I think I got seven hundred words out, posted it and thought nothing else about it. A week later a member invited people to read her blog, and there a few blog entries down was my silly sex story with HER byline.

I immediately got an account with that blogging site, put her picture on it with the word THIEF written across it, and blogged under the name: Jane the thief. I blogged about her taking my story every hour on the hour for twenty-four hours until she emailed me that she was taking down the story. She wasn't repentant, though, she said I should feel flattered that someone stole my work and posted it as their own. To say the least I wasn't flattered and to tell you the truth, I have never felt that angry at anyone before or since.

It was my work and she took credit. No matter that it was a silly short story not very well written, it was my intellectual property. So even if it's a few words or just an idea you had, it still belongs to you and it matters a lot that someone claimed them as their own...

I hope that helped...and thanks for being the first to post in Fight Club's forums!! dags smile

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(74 replies, posted in Fight Club)

Because we as a group we are guests on this website we should respect our host. So if you've come to fight here are a few rules:

Members should first invite the non-member they have a disagreement with to join them in the forum. If that person declines, no post addressed to or about that person. You can still rant about them, just don't use their name.

No threats of physical violence.

If the person is already a member, invite them to discuss the issue between you.

This is your group, your forum. Be as nasty as you want...but don't whine to me if your feelings get hurt. Most of all, have fun! 

dags smile

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(342 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

janet reid wrote:
dagnee wrote:

I don't know if this is a site bug, but one of the authors I reviewed from the free group told me they couldn't read or respond to an in-line review.

My understanding is only premium members can ie free members are limited to regular reviews.

Thanks Janet. I'll remember that when I review free members. smile

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(7 replies, posted in Old forums)

j p lundstrom wrote:

If you're taking votes, I, too, love the in-line review. I use it almost all the time.  I do have a question for authors, though: how hard can it be to go back and add/delete a comma, quote, or question mark?  There must be a lot of writers who keep having the same errors pointed out.

JP--I am guilty of not correcting my text until all the reviews are in. I do like the in-line  reviews for correcting a lot better than the regular reviews on the old site. I can open another browser and look at the work side by side, one screen the review the other the editing format, and find what I need to correct by glancing, instead of searching the review.

And JP thanks for the attention you're giving Ronan...this is the final edit, after this all I have to do is decide how to publish it.

I want to thank everyone reviewing Ronan now and who've reviewed it in the past. Especially Ann Everett who's read every version and talked me down with midnight emails when I was certain the transcript was a total loss.

dags smile

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(61 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

Fenris wrote:

The only way to use the point system is to pay money and i don't think it is worth it along with how long it last. I get it how writer wanted other people to read their work but it's like paying them to read, you don't really get what you want.

I agree, however I wish there were a way to gift our points to deserving authors solely to help them gain a wider audience for their work.

I also wish there was a way to gift memberships too.

Anonymously, of course.

smile

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(61 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

SolN wrote:

If the point system were modified to allow the author to "spend" points to "hire" specific members to review their chapters would their be any significant drawbacks that outweighed the benefits? Some of the benefits I could see is it would address repeated concerns mentioned by others. Hiring good reviewers has the overall effect of allowing them to gain points faster and other reviewers that do subpar (subjective to the author's POV to be sure) work will feel the pressure to elevate their review quality if they want to partake of more than just the minimum points set for a review.

It's an interesting concept and one I've been turning over in my mind for awhile. There is no programming limitation. It's something I think we will definitely experiment with in the upcoming year. Thanks for the suggestion.

Sol, I don't know about hiring someone to read my work, but I do like the idea of being able to 'gift' points to people, especially good writers who have a narrow reading audience in the TNBW free group.

dags smile

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(2 replies, posted in Old forums)

This is the place to recommend work you enjoyed reading. It can be new or hidden in their portfolio and not highlighted on their page.