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vern wrote:

Ideas can't be copyrighted. There are only seven basic plots (plus or minus depending on who does the categorizing) and they have all been done thousands of times, so there is no copyright on a plot, else every author in the world would be sued every time they published a book. You can't copy characters and you can't take  large excerpts or strings of original wording verbatim from other works, but you can certainly rearrange them to your own version of an old story.
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Thank you Vern! As I think about the plot I'm developing it does fall into a category of a plot of complete misdirection of the MC using a red herring... and this type of plot has been written thousands of times.

Thanks for all the responses and the link. From your information I think I can glom together variations on a theme without infringing on another author.

BTW Charles - I did make you moderator of Lit Fiction.  Errare humanum est, in errore perservare stultum wink

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We've been here before, but can someone tell me or point me to the strict rules for stealing ideas from other novels/media. I took Cinderella and ran her through a revision that I know tramples on no author's claims. NOw I want to take/steal a plot from a 1990's TV drama (British, Inspector Morse) and run it two-hundred years into the future, change all names, locations, etc., but the basic plot of misdirection of an investigation and the methods of the murderer's actions remain the same. I consider Anthony Minghella's basic plot a template for me to use and expand upon.

I seem to remember someone here stating that a percentage of a plot could be taken, etc.

THANK YOU

Pharmalawsuitacles

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http://blog.janicehardy.com/2015/05/why … iters.html

Are you using Microsoft ONENOTE? I don't want to use ms WORD ( or buy) or the tNBW word processor. WHat is your opinion of ONENOTE for writing novels? TX

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http://blog.janicehardy.com/2015/05/why … iters.html

Using this? Give me your opinion on Microsoft ONENOTE for writing 30K-50K word novels. TX

frondescence

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(8 replies, posted in SPY FICTION)

I'm drafting out this idea. QUESTION: Fraternal twins, a boy and a girl, the boy has Downs Syndrome, the girl is normal. Is this possible, genetically speaking?

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Great! But Dragons? I thought you wrote Crime & Mystery. Many talents!  Go girl!

Orlando, LGBT folks dumbfounded nation wide, consumers of mass-media Googled-eyed, a kid with a machine gun and ego problems, a self-proclaimed savior with orange hair, 50+ Americans very -VERY- dead, 50+ very -VERY- wounded, thousands of relatives and friends grieving and then there is the NRA. The same gun was used at Sandy Hook to kill 20 first graders... Shame on all of us. And of course there is Hillary proclaiming common sense in these uncommon and dangerous times. Polarized values and despair, and with no resolution in sight it seems to me. And yet some writer is going to pull the world through this mess. I'm thinking it will be a big novel like 'The Grapes of Wrath', a novel like that opened the eyes of a myopic America and defined the sufferings of people who put the food on our tables during the 1930s. Many of those American people suffer horrible deaths, starvation, etc. in those heady times... until Steinbeck put those unseen problems in their blind but heady heads.

A bestseller lurks in this present morass of American dysfunctions.  Obvious evil in Orlando is easy to see and define in narratives for journalists and talking heads; the good guys or gals... eh, not so easy to spell out for us creative writers. If I were going for a novel to define this I might pick a young woman with gender identity problems at this nightclub for the love of a confused and angry man; her with an IQ at 160+ destined for an Ivy League college; a young and hopeful Olympian in swimming; of hard-working but regrettably blue-collar Republican parents; and at The Pulse nightclub because she loves the shooter, wants to save him, thinks she knows his problems & allegiances and is trying desperately to stop him... all in vain. In the end I would keep her alive, bullet ridden, but very -VERY- brain dead.

A million fiction scenarios exist for this tragic and perhaps defining moment in American history. Nevertheless, the defining moment of mass-slaughter for even larger groups of innocent Americas, using these high-profit assault weapons, may still be on the bloody horizon... to assault our senses and sensibilities and sympathies.

I might name this novel: Of Nonsense, Of No Sensibilities, & Of Mass-Slaughter: A pastoral romance like Jane Austin's combined with a nuked-up & paranoid Tom Clancy plot and with a bit of Adolf Schickelgruber (a crazy billionaire character/politician with orange hair and a skewed philosophy) tossed in.

Literary fiction exists to dig us out of messes like this. Break out your Bics, picks & shovels!

Georges Simenon is more of a Mystery & Crime writer, however like a good thriller novel I find his novels hard to put down.

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I will.

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(8 replies, posted in SPY FICTION)

It has been months since a plot unfolded for me. This idea created a big scenario wherein I envisioned a female main character who resembles Hilary Swank; a single mom separated from an abusive husband and trying desperately to make it on her own. However, she has an inquisitive streak, a nosy personality which has always gotten her into BIG trouble.

As the main counterpoint, I saw a hard-boiled George Simon's type detective who intervenes in their domestic dispute. While at her home, investigating abuse from here husband, he sees computer photographs of a character he is investigating for murder and much more. She admits to a preoccupation for digging into people's lives beyond her work as a secret shopper, business spy. To her is is a game, but also an obsession. I can tie the husband into dealings with the villain and therefore he becomes a suspect, an accomplice type suspect to the detective.

The detective character warns her that digging into others lives (especially a character he sees on her camera/computer) can spin out of control. At this point I've set the plot in motion. The third counterpoint melody (red herring) is the abusive husband who is a read turd of a character.

The fourth melody/character of the counterpoint plot is the villain, whom I saw as the  Green River serial murderer, an infamous psychopath here in Washington. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway ) ... a real nut case.

I've read three Georges Simenon novels in the past month and his character/detective Maigret is an inspiration to me. And thanks guys for the replies...  it prompted my writing brain to spin out a workable rough draft that I hope will tie me to my desk again.

Thanks for the Ingram reference. Back in the early 1980s I made lots of money in my bookstore when dealing with Ingram, I'm assuming it is the same company. Good read, reference. And, thanks for running a thread like this. If the old forums were to return the NBW would SO much better!

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(7 replies, posted in HORROR AND THE MACABRE)

If start yabbing as in my last post, let me know... Mike, others. In Washington 20 cups of coffee is the norm, really.

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(8 replies, posted in SPY FICTION)

Big spies in novels, movies, etc., that glorify the spy who saves the world... Bond, Ludlum characters, etc... But there is the little spy, the man or woman who pretends to be a customer at a large store, but is really spying on the employee for the company. Talk about "toe the line" or else. What an interesting character study: weasel or company savior or ?

Here is a character who sees into various individuals personalities and problems, people who must follow the company policies, but what else might this company spy see? When you look too closely at any individual the lines get blurred, as everyone has a secret. I was thinking a company spy might uncover a murder/murderer and then this exposed murderer realizes he (or she) is discovered then learns who the company spy is, or thinks he knows and then...

Any books or films run this type of plot?

max keanu wrote:

http://www.wacotrib.com/opinion/columns … 0639c.html

As moderator I'll allow any and all political and religious topics to flourish or flounder on this group grope. You have complete freedom unless Sol intercedes. However, I would like the posts here not make Joseph John Campbell turn over in his grave.

This link has generated interest in many venues, forums, etc.

The businessman's ridged bottom line, the unraveling safety net, the rabble, the disenfranchised, the greedy con-men, the cabal of South American dictators and military types in collusion recently exposed... The world below the lower-middle class is a seething caldron of poverty, anarchists, mad bombers and malcontents; a nasty place few of us know or want to know.

And yet, as writers we must go there. Charlie Hebdo went there and paid a heavy price.  Again, as writers we must write poignant fictions/ non-fictions to dissuade these disaffected types (or corrupt military types) from violent actions against civil society and innocent citizens.

In the group, Je Suis CHARLIE let's explore the malcontent character (man, woman or child) at the bottom rung of society's ladder. Many of our fiction characters grovel at this level, many of literature's most profound characters are born at the bottom rung. Raskolnikoff comes to mind, the characters in Conrad's novel THE SECRET AGENT come to mind; and as does Knut Hamsum's novel HUNGER. Many novels that precede social upheaval feature these dangerous rascals, i.e.,  The French Revolution, equality movements in the USA, etc. The Oklahoma Federal Building bomber, "Ted" Kaczynski, etc.

Manifesto's of the sane and insane ( Mein Kamp, Das Kapital, ISIS spouting, "Ted" Kaczynski's ramblings)... well, all failed writing projects, lol. And yet these types of writings are emerging every day with those evil authors and characters ready to enact death and destruction.

My thinking is the Internet Age (and most Western media marketing) drives the immature, uneducated, poverty-stricken and volatile mind into the realms of the envying personality, into an abyss of unquenchable desires and an inescapable labyrinth of unrealistic expectations.

http://scitechdaily.com/physicists-take … elativity/

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(7 replies, posted in HORROR AND THE MACABRE)

mikejackson1127 wrote:

All right, Max.

The third entry might sound wacky or very melodramatic, but it was real. I can't prove its reality, but if I needed to, I could talk about it.

Talk about it. God has been a horror show since the first Neanderthal was betrayed after preying the Saber-Tooth Tiger didn't smell him. Frontal lobe boogie-boogie is all that God is; you dance to that internal song or you don't. IS THAT ALL THERE IS, a great song sung by Peggy Lee (George Clooney's aunt) will make you wonder and wander in the existential realm... and that is the realm where horror fiction can start and end, or visa-versa.

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max keanu wrote:

ACTION ADVENTURE

HORROR & MACABRE

SPY WITH ME

JE SUIS CHARLIE

LITERARY FICTION (now moderated by Charles Bell)

I'll be putting lots of energy into these groups. Any help is appreciated. I'd like to have contests (with prizes and $$$).

Everyday I intend to write about current research or what I think is interesting pertaining to one or more of these groups. I have five novels in various stages of completion and I am now writing full time to deal with them. Well actually, I write five to six hours each day, which leaves me 18 or more hours to ruminate on the arts, women in literature like Daphne du Maurier, the big picture of literature in the digital world, our over-populated world, and also spend time reviewing the writing here on tNBW.

Three of these groups revolve around evil in the world, please feel free to express your take on evil and how it pertains to the craft of fiction in the group forums for these groups. Or write about how the good things of our world vanquishes evil.       Having just one group forum (this forum) imhp limits the usefulness of this site.

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Try-

http://www.alanfurst.net/

or Robert Wilson's - A SMALL DEATH IN LISBON

The action-adventure genre must change now that the Republican Party in the USA is fragmented with the invention of a third entity: The King Donald Party. My God, a ginormous wall between Mexico and America ???... In many ways this almost mirrors the ice wall in Game of Thrones. The liberals and Democrats are now therefore recast as wind-walkers and worse. And, as it is in game of thrones; our political divisions in right-wing America almost mirror National Socialist Germany and Facist Italy of the 1920s-1930s. But remember, they both went down in flames and to me that is where good A&A starts... during or after the conflagrations! Before the conflagrations... go to Literary FIction forum.

A polarization of mean & nasty motives must exist in the A&A genre to make it work; good guys, bad guys and helpless victims in jeopardy. Many times, in this genre, the good guys are really the bad guys, and visa versa. To me, one interesting twist is to make the victim (or victim mentality) the bad guy, who through dramatic irony the reader realizes, at the crucial moment in the story they've been duped. Both HItler and Mussolini were deemed by millions as good guys casting the underdog masses as victims (i.g., The Donald), but only repudiated after it was too late, after millions were unknowingly escorted into the hells of concentration and extermination camps.

Without politics, religion, family values (etc.) in the background of a A&A story it becomes a televised sporting event with the sound turned down and way too many commercials.

Of course, the wicked guy can tie Nell to the tracks and then saving her can be the only story arc; you shit your pants in excitement, but learn nothing about the evil men or women. The backgrounds of Snidley Whiplash and Dudley Doright represent two elements/characters of the polarization of morals and ethics in law & order society that inquiring minds want to know about.

My God... think of this: An evil Dudley Doright! THe mind boggles at this thought! He allows the train to run Nell over... wow! I am truly evil minded, I guess.

Any and all political or religious writing is welcome in this group forum, but it MUST pertain to writing fiction also.

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List the three big, real and terrifying horror events in your life, in less than 30 words, and in acceding order please. I'm trying to get a topic for a contest.

EXAMPLES:

1. the moment I discovered my wife hanging in our bedroom closet.

2. shot with a shotgun, point blank.

3. the moment a fiancee told me she loved another man as much I loved her

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From replies contests are of interest. Back in 2013 checks for my writing came in the mail and it was a thrill... they paid for my chewing gum... lol.

Sol offers up contests with cash prizes and I think we should roll with that. Horror genre. 1000 - 2000 words. Subject - premise of contest to be determined. Judges, now that is an interesting challenge.

I'll work with Sol and it will happen, but after the 3 chapter novel contest finishes.

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(5 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

ACTION ADVENTURE

HORROR & MACABRE

SPY WITH ME

JE SUIS CHARLIE

LITERARY FICTION (now moderated by Charles Bell)

I'll be putting lots of energy into these groups. Any help is appreciated. I'd like to have contests (with prizes and $$$).

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I'm returning (using Window 10, eeek!) after many months of being cast adrift in a tempest. Dan, we need you. Go with the flow. I liked the old site too, but in analogy... make room for Hillary, as Bill is a wonderful force of the past that we all grooved with. Adapting to change will grow more brain cells, make you into more of a genius than you already are!