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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

But esoteric iconography is my trade!

Dagnee reminded me of Warhol's soup cans... Whaddaya think?

Try to think of something poignant that pertains to writing. Or arguing. Or hodgepodge.

For some reason I suddenly wanna capture the Sesame Street 12345 678910 eleven, twe-elv-a-elve song! In a static image. How to do that?

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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

Okay, even though I put the Breaking Bad guy there, I dunno if we wanna put famous people on our forum image. Do we?

How about the new one?

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(10 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

Okay, I think I invited everybody I know. Not that they're gonna wanna waste their time here!

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Click what? Where?

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(51 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

I have a vision, but it's blurry. I'm constantly going backwards to try and establish the meta-fictional groundwork. Like I just done tonite, by publishing a new version of the Introduction. I'm serious about this being less a novel than a long, long, stand-up comedy routine/lecture. But that's just me.

You want me to stop and read Heinlein now, GP? Aren't I already driving you nuts with my lack of productivity?

Don't assume I'm sober, GP. I rarely am when I'm on the internet. This is my party time, you know. Well, it's not all that drastic or drunken. Wanda knows to leave me alone once I log on, but she also knows that I'm easily distracted. Like right now. She can't get the Netflix to work so I gotta go deal with that. And if I can't get it to work for her then we'll hafta have sex with each other. Which, frankly, should only take me a couple of minutes. smile

Duran Duran aren't as lame as we think they are. I'll leave it at that. God knows you don't need me writing another essay extolling another band's musical virtue!

So, I don't like the idea of going back and forth too much, either. I flat out don't like flashbacks. Unless they're anecdotal and neatly meld into the ongoing narrative. But when you're trying to tell a story that spans decades, like yours and mine do... What to do?

Personally, I've decided to utilize an overbearing narrator. ME. Meta-fictional John Hamler speaking frankly and straight to the reader's face. Yada, yada. How are you gonna do it, though? Because, like I said, I'm invested in the teenage Genesis now and for you to suddenly pull the rug out will kinda/sorta piss me off. I never read the Kite Runner so I'm curious. How did he do it?

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(40 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

Okay, okay.... What do you want? A bowl of soup? A beer can? Don't say a puppy! I already am one! smile

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Yeah. Now I'm having second thoughts about giving you advice about slowing down or whatever. The whole writing as you're workshopping thing might not be the best course of action, see? I mean, just look at me. Eight years on this sucker and what have I got to show for it? Well, besides this wonderful forum, that is. smile

Sometimes I think I'd get more done if I just shut down the internet and wrote with a pencil, but then again I don't really give a damn. I just like writing to amuse myself and stay outta trouble. At least you have a clear picture of your story, GP. So don't let me or anybody else interrupt your flow with opinions.

Having said that... Have you considered alternative approaches to your narrative? You know, to handle the flashback stuff. Is that how you view the Sturton material, as flashback? Maybe a hypnosis session with a therapist and a tape recorder, dredging up Gennie's repressed memories.  That way you could stay in the present adult Gennie world with vignettes every so often. I dunno. Just throwing ideas out there. Don't let it drain your flow! Or whatever.. smile

Also, the other night, I saw this kid sing Ordinary World by Duran Duran for The Voice and it was really good. And now I'm suddenly a big Duran Duran fan all of a sudden. Back in the 80's, when they were big, I thought they were lame. So, you know, go figure.

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Merry Clayton, huh? Pretty cool, GP!

I guess I'm less concerned than you about what anybody thinks. In fact, I'm pretty sure that NOBODY CARES. smile

As public as this forum may be, I think we're safely ensconced as practitioners observing one another's craft in private. But... I'm willing to talk shit and shop with you, GP, wherever you feel most comfortable.

By the way, I'm gonna publish a new opening to ANTAGONY tonite. Just remember that I'm less a storyteller, and more of a wannabe stand-up comedian. So... Take that into account as you rip my prose to shreds! smile

John

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Allright, I found it. Cool. Ummm... Yes, I got cut off mid-sentence for some reason. I dunno why. And, yes, I think I like the IN-LINE feature.

Anyway, it seems to me that you wanna use Genesis' rather tragic backstory at Sturton as justification for any sins she might commit as a hotshot attorney later in life. Or am I misguided in that assessment? If she wasn't raped, as a schoolgirl, she was certainly manipulated. Not only by Sanchez but by the bureaucracy itself. How does that shape her professional purview? Well, I dunno. Yet. Because I was kinda under the impression that the STURTON EXPERIENCE was gonna be the gist of the novel.

You see, GP? The shit-luck thing about this website's format is that we're often reviewing an author's novel in-progress. When that's the last thing we oughta be doing. And that's why I try to keep my critiques strictly about the prose and not the story, but... Well, the mind naturally wanders and jumps to conclusions.

My point is... I'm kind of invested in Genesis' trials and tribulations as a teenager at this point and if you suddenly switch gears to her adult career? Well, I might lose the momentum you've built up for me. As a reader. I don't need a resolution, particularly, but then the segue has gotta be super smooth. A smoother transition than you or me can even comprehend, I think. I think it won't work, is what I'm saying. The book, THIS book, should be about STURTON. PERIOD. Therefore, my advice about slowing it down and relishing the details is still solid.
I think.
I dunno.
One thing I'm loathe to do is intrude upon another writer's creative vision. Hell, my own ANTAGONY narrative is six-times as schizophrenic as yours is. So it's a case of do as I SAY, not as I DO.

If you know what I mean.

If not? Blame it on the alcohol. smile

Cheers

John

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(51 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

Okay, GP. Listen. I wanna go back and see what I wrote about CH 9 and why I wrote it and I wanna take into account your reaction. But, as opposed to the old site, it seems a bit more difficult to access such correspondencies here. You know what I mean?

Hell, I don't even know how I got here! We're in the HodgePodge forum, right? Yes. Gimme a few minutes. I'll get back to you.

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(5 replies, posted in Additional Writing Feedback)

Hola

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I see that! If HodgePodge is truly insufferable, then by all means... Change IT! Albeit, I must insist, thru democratic consensus. So far I've heard:

NO BULLSHEET. (Sorry, Linda, but I call Bullsheet on that one!)

and

TO THE MOON (maybe, but... doesn't really capture a theme.)

and

NO BARS HELD (okay, I guess I AM a sucker for a cute play-on-a-cliche phrase. I just like this one better than NO BULLSHEET. And that's got nothing to do with who proposed it, mind y'all. Its just my taste)

Anyway... Keep throwing ideas out there. (What else better have you got to do with your lives at this moment, right?) I shall comply.

Also, how do I go about inviting more people to play our little reindeer games? I'll take anyone with a cynical/smartassy/sassy/self-indulgent and opinionated disposition. smile

Cheers

John

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(51 replies, posted in HodgePodge)

See?! You like the name HodgePodge. We can even faction into two groups --Podgers and Hodgers-- and get about as much accomplished as Congress does!

Or not.

I dunno.

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Very cool, GP. So gimme some KEYWORDS to describe this forum of ours and I will seek out and procure the most appropriate image. It ain't that hard, actually.

By the way, BRAVO on chapter eight! For reals. Here's hoping I ever get that far myself!  Actually, I'm in the midst of reworking my own novel. You'll just hafta bear with me as I contemplate it...

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Hey, Vern! Welcome!

Okay, I changed the image from a piece of poop to the guy from Breaking Bad. I think that "Hodgepodge" is just the name of the forum, but anyone can start a new thread within it. Or is it just people that I expressly invite? I dunno.

Let's get a close up of that dog, GP. By the way, my sister's dog died last month and so she got a new one. A great pyrenees, no less! Well, half pyrenees half mutt of some sort. She rescued it from Texas. Apparently they put down a lot of dogs down in Texas and so there's a program where you can rescue them and then they fly the dog to you. Or something.

Okay, so you revised chapter 8 and it cost you points? Or do you mean you re-published it? There's a difference, I hope. And I dunno what Vern is talking about with the group that doesn't charge points to post thing. I haven't quite wrapped my mind around the idea of "groups" yet.

Cheers

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Hey, GP! But at least you found me on this obscure forum! Feel free to start a more proper one, in which we can argue.

Which image are you objecting to, by the way? The pile of poop or the dogface? Or both?

Isn't this new site supercool? Be honest.

Okay, lemme see if YOUTUBE links will work here.

Here is HEART with HEARTLESS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7NUP_LSu6s

It's damned cool to be cold, right?

I'm currently in a HEART cover band, in case I didn't say that already.

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(25 replies, posted in TheNextBigWriter Premium)

THE NEXT BIG WRITER: helping make it you...

I dunno, Sol, but that puts me off a bit. The syntax, I mean. Work on it.

How's that for some irreverent literary criticism?! smile

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These new forum parameters are a bit foreign, but I hope it all kicks off evetually.

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I just spent the last thirty-six minutes uploading silly images to accompany my stories and whatsuch. Had a blast! I dunno, but so far? This new and improved TNBW seems to be living up to the claim. Have fun!