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Randall Krzak wrote:

If members of TNBW are going to start relying on AI to do reviews, I think I'll bow out.

Me too. I think Dirk summed up this thread accurately, though. It's more about the (debatable) use of the A-eye tool. Feels like a homogenization of writing would be the result of "written by A-eye" stories.

Just to note, I submitted my five part series with 6 different pdfs: 1 for each book (at 100 words summary each) and another for the entire series (in 500 words). It was interesting to see the difference. There were several instances in the 100-word summaries where some details weren't accurate. Additionally, while it named some characters, it never once mentioned the name Gulliver. Some part of that may have been affected by adding "and the further travels of Gulliver" to the title after I had already made the pdfs. Maybe I'll run it through again and see if it notices.

I should also mention that it didn't give the last book, (a novel at 103,000 words) and imo the whole crux of the biscuit, the attention it deserves. For me, the denouement is a large factor in determining how good I think a story is. (I weigh the style of writing heavier than the storyline. It can have a crap ending if the style carries me. I'm looking at you, Tolstoy. See also: Bukowski, whose endings were just another day in his life.) A-eye doesn't value the denouement with any amount of preference (or, shall we say, emotion).

Also of note: I resubmitted Book 1 by itself and it referenced details from the other books! That's kinda unnerving. It's A-eye-and-ear, in actuality, by definition, I guess.

Anywho, I'm just collecting snippets and putting them together with some suggestions from a pro on the site and editing (read: muddling) my way through to some sort of perfect query letter for two books (Street of Rogues, a 3-volume memoir which includes Tropical Cancer, and the Noble Book of Lindsay the Tall &...). Sad to note: I've actually worked longer on the 'perfect' query letter for Street... than I have on the book.

And I'm totally with all of us here on this thread; the idea of stylistically homogenous books generated by an average of "norms" is horrifying -- Orwellian, even. I like to think, in my optimistic way, that creative, unique, and ground-breaking writing will continue to find a place with courageous publishers.

Carry on,
whatta

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George FLC wrote:
whatta wrote:

I experimented with ChatGPT and found it did a very good job summarizing a 340,000 word trilogy into 500 words—which I used for a query letter.

Wow. I'm impressed. How long did it take to generate the 500 words?

I directed it to 'Think Longer' and it took less than 30 seconds, I'd say (I didn't note the time).

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That would be: A-eye-eh?-eye-Oh!

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Hmm, that makes it A-eye.

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I told it to summarize the book in 500 words and uploaded a pdf with all three books in it.

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I experimented with ChatGPT and found it did a very good job summarizing a 340,000 word trilogy into 500 words—which I used for a query letter.

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About AI reviews:

Will AI read one chapter of a book and advise me helpfully about arc, plot or character development? I don’t see how that’s possible, so it’ll be a very limited, narrow review. Can it tell me if my story is “good”?

About AI writing books:

Can AI be creative and unique? Can it describe epiphanies, revelations, sympathy, empathy and emotions? Does AI have talent or creativity? Can it rant?

Frankly, the idea of using AI to write a book sickens me. It removes the unique artist and replaces it with a conglomeration of stored talent, grammatical rules and traditional structure.

I’m with you on this, Vern. AI generated stories may eventually overwhelm human talent. And I’m definitely with you, Dirk. How many ground-breaking, unique classics would have made it by the AI reviews? Ulysses, Gulliver’s Travels, Tropic of Cancer, etc, etc, etc…

However, I can see it making a manuscript easier to read. It’s a cheat, for sure, replacing human talent, but helpful in that regard. I guess it could replace human editors, which is a depressing notion if you’re a pro editor.

We don’t have much choice but to live with this “progress.”

The greatest generation is turning in their garaves. Mid-terms, people.

Sigh and yawn. All that matters is the mid-terms -- when we get to see if America is still the stupidest country on the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MH4W_egPs0

13 minute Road Runner compilation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuc486qwfMY

Dirk B wrote:

Naturally, there was no casual Friday back then. Goldman Sachs, being the uptight bunch they are, had a seasonal casual Friday only. Not a year-round thing while I was still working there. I was never more happy to get laid off from a company. Management's favorite mantra was "Our people are our strength," which oddly, they never used amid rounds of layoffs. Can't imagine why. :-)

...because they have mouse balls.

SolN wrote:

Hi all, 500 words is the maximum according to the contest rules. Keep it at 500 words or below.

Whatta, did you email me? I'll have to check. Sorry if I didn't respond. I get a lot of email and I might have missed it.

Hi Sol. I emailed you with the addy I have from long ago when I rejoined. The one I sent recently was to the contact@thenextbigwriter.com.
No matter, I got my answer. Thanks.

And btw, thanks for your involvement in the point system makeover. It was overdue.

Dirk B wrote:

I think you need to ask Sol that question. It's never come up (publicly) for word-limited contests I was in. Do you have a connection with Sol? If not, his user id is SolN (find him using the white search field at the top of screens on this site). You can also try emailing contact@thenextbigwriter.com. I don't know which one he checks most often (he checks this forum too at times).

Have you posted it yet? I had to get real good at trimming words for previous contests, so I may be able to spot a few things to tweak/remove.

Not sure how Facebook comments tie into/relate to the site, but I don't think they're intended for support.

Thanks Dirk. I have Sol's email but when I rejoined the site I sent him a note and he never replied. I haven't posted the story yet. I get that the simplest thing to do is to just find 11 words to cut. Sounds easy, right? But after cutting it from 520 words to 511, I stopped to wonder about leeway. I'll try emailing contact@.

Hi. I tried asking this question on the Comments section of The Do-Over Writing Contest page (used 3 different browsers) and it didn't work.

If my story is 511 words, is it ineligible? Any leeway there? Do I need to hunt Sol down and ask him?

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Sounds like fun. We'll miss you.

Dirk B wrote:

Yes. I looked at some of my earlier posted works, and they now pay more. My Uniquorn story was a contest entry with an upper limit of 3000 words, and it now pays 3 points, which is consistent with my earlier post about the new points math.

Sweet. Thanks.

Does this change the points received for work that's currently published?

cookbooklady wrote:

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It works in my Jules summary.

Cool.

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Saturday morning cartoon, Tales from the Far Side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIYLKh2wLdk&t=516s

cookbooklady wrote:
Dirk B wrote:

Hey, Sol. Any ETA as to when you'll reduce the ratio of words reviewed to words posted from 5 to 1 down to 3 to 1? Right now we have one of the most onerous ratios of workshop sites I know of.

Thanks
Dirk

I'm in a lot of writing groups and would love to push this site (in fact, I just did today), but the ratio is a huge turn-off and why I left the first time. I had 136 points which is why I'm back now.

What other writing groups can you recommend? Sol doesn't seem to be in a hurry to adjust the ratio.

Dirk B wrote:

Hi Mitch. Yeah, it's a bit aggressive with the new lines. It's a very old bug, but everything should still be readable. Not sure if a fix is available.

Dirk

Weird. Stupid computers.

Hola. What's with all the forced returns in the Content Summary section (can't get rid of them splitting sentences into a new line)?

Dirk B wrote:

Hey, Sol. Any ETA as to when you'll reduce the ratio of words reviewed to words posted from 5 to 1 down to 3 to 1? Right now we have one of the most onerous ratios of workshop sites I know of.

Thanks
Dirk

Good point. If I didn't already have 261 points from the last time I was a member, I don't know if I could have stuck it out to publish a 69 chapter memoir here.