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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Sadly, Dawn Wells (Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island) passed away from complications due to Covid. And it wiped her out financially. Someone started a GoFundMe page for her that quickly raised about $175K.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Hard to believe the show only ran 3 seasons. Feels like 10

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Fixed the problem caused by the low life expectancy in the 1600s. Instead of comparing priest life expectancy to those of the average male, the sharp-eyed monk compares them to the average *adult* male. A one-word fix. That weeds out the deaths of minors, which greatly skews the average.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Note that your time period is generally considered the "birth" of modern statistical analysis. Though the Greeks as far back as Aristotle understood a "midrange" or a "mean", things like averages, medians, or modes would not be possible on large data sets (unless you had a decent abacus!).

A casual google suggests median pops into existence around 1599
http://jse.amstat.org/v11n1/bakker.html
and you can see how theoretical it is from Example 4:

...obtain the arithmetic mean or mid-range can be justified if certain assumptions are defensible, i.e., that the underlying distribution is at least approximately symmetrical ...

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Edit: Not to suggest your sharp-eyed monk can't spot the discrepancy... but the wording is key

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I had considered having the Church consult a well-known mathematician from that era. My preference would have been Isaac Newton, but he wasn't Catholic and he was still a boy. Instead, I'm thinking of changing sharp-eyed to statistically inclined. I'm also still considering changing the date that this all started since 370 years seems very long to topple the Church from within.

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I was curious about the 370 years... but wasn't prepared to crawl down that rabbit-hole until I understood how the context works. Eg if there was a special date you were working backwards to.

I figure that's enough time to pretty much own every cardinal if you're an immortal. You do have a limitation that the plants become bold over time and make mistakes, but through 4 centuries, I bet you get that 1 in 100 who's too crafty to fall that way. After I got some of those guys, I'd grant them immortality - I'd only need about 3 in the whole organization.

My evil plan would be:
a) Keep making stupid minions whose sole job is to get caught so I can monitor how good the church is getting at finding me
b) I'd introduce translation errors in some of the popular bibles such as NIV. I'd sow confusion by painting the devil's number as 665 and 667... I'd make sure dead sea scroll show up and split the faithful over verbiage
c) I would NOT try to get my evil guy into the seat of the pope. I would work hard to break in a good pope who I hold on a leash (Think Wellington Yueh). This is the best guy cause he can pass any radars, right? Everyone trusts him. Once he's in place, he doesn't need to last long... 8 months should do. I'll find sneaky ways to break the succession so the next guy they choose is also tainted. Give me 370 years, I bet I could do it.

I think 1876 would have been good. Hit the cardinals I don't control with the plague right before a big vote... sneak my suk-doctor-pope in. Then off him and replace him with my real guy. Then use my real guy to find and destroy some of the idiots working for me who I don't like, thereby validating he can root out agents of the beast.

"90 years": That's only ten popes or so. Might be harder for my evil plan to get a guy in the key spot in this time. I'd have done it during WWI then use the 1918 H1N1 to ratify guy #2.

"25 Years": Virtually impossible

You can see the pattern in all these ideas. Sneak someone in, and tilt the scales. Then feed him to the machine and back off. Wait till everyone dies off and pull the trigger.

Question: How relevant is the time scale? What are the shortest and longest time you've looked at?

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I originally chose 370 back when I was still crucifying cardinals every 5-10 years. The A-C had to move slowly, otherwise the Church would have been forced to mount an aggressive defense, which would have spilled into the open. When I switched the A-C's approach to infiltrating at multiple levels, I simply kept 370 as a placeholder until I figured out if it needed adjusting. It does.

Things to consider, though. The Church regularly purges certain offices (just to be unpredictable and to clean house). All the key positions are given to cardinals, who are usually old men with a very limited remaining lifespan. That prevents anyone staying in place too long. The estimated number of infiltrators is 10K. There are 5600 bishops in the world. If the A-C wants a near-perpetual lock on the key dioceses, he has to have obvious replacements in line for those dioceses. He also has to have control of key Vatican dicasteries (departments), plus a few in line to succeed those who head those dicasteries. So, 10K stretches the A-C kinda thin, especially when you consider that a decent number of his followers will be discovered because they blow their covers with bad behavior.

Related to all this is the fact that the A-C has to have his followers at or near their target positions when he takes control of the Church. There's only so long he can stay in power before people realize he's not purely human due to the fact that he doesn't die of old age. He's also racing to beat the clock, because when Jesus returns, times up. If Satan's challenge succeeds, Jesus will be destroyed upon his return and the Church will crumble thanks to the A-C and his followers.

There are actually three members of the Unholy Trinity, one of whom is the False Prophet. In the early Church, it was generally believed that the A-C was a secular ruler (e.g., Emperor Nero) and the False Prophet was a holy man. That made the latter more suited to seizing the Church. However, protestants confused all that by equating the Catholic Pope with the A-C. In modern times, there is no global position of secular power at risk of being seized by the A-C. He would need to engineer control of the US, Russia, and China in order to have a real shot at world domination. So, when choosing which interpretation of Revelation to go with (there are many), I decided the A-C will go after the Church. The False Prophet plays a lesser role, and I punted him to book two. He's a key character in book one, but remains under deep cover, working mischief.

Off to bed.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

The Church regularly purges certain offices (just to be unpredictable and to clean house). All the key positions are given to cardinals, who are usually old men with a very limited remaining lifespan.

Q: What happened to the purged guys? Assuming my plant was kicked out along with the others (I mean my one-in-100 good plant who hasn't given himself away) does he get transplanted into another office where I can apply his abilities?

If the A-C wants a near-perpetual lock on the key dioceses

Q: Does he need one? It sounds like as long as he can get two cardinals, he has control. Two cardinals gets him enough sway to keep fresh talent coming up the roster. Assuming he has the pope's ear much of the time through them. Should only be so long before he gains insight into the task force meant to find him. Yikes!

There's only so long he can stay in power before people realize he's not purely human due to the fact that he doesn't die of old age

Q: This is to assume he can't acquire fake ID and "rotate lifespans". Or are you saying there's a public figure he's riding on?

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

The purged guys are kicked out of the Church. Since the Church doesn't want a public brawl with the AC, the purge comes in the form of retirement (with a pension!). If it wasn't for holy water, the AC could place demons into the Church, who might be more careful, but they're humanoid, with cadaver DNA, and have human weaknesses, so no help there. I'll add that to the discussion somewhere.

The AC is trying to place his followers into many important positions around the world to lead Catholics away from God before the Final Judgement. Influencing the Pope (through his Council of Cardinal Advisers) about those positions is a key part, but even they are mostly old men. As for the task force, his best bet is to infiltrate that too. I was thinking of using an annoying systems analyst in the task force and making him the infiltrator, but I punted that character, at least for now.

The AC himself is half human, so he can't switch bodies (my rule). As a result, if he became Pope, there's no way to hide an impossibly long lifespan. However, a youngish Pope (say in his sixties) isn't out of the question, and he could rule for at least forty or fifty years before becoming truly suspect. In fact, long life might be viewed as a sign of the Pope having found favor with God.

By the way, there's some big-ass satanic subterfuge going on about all of this, which won't be revealed until the end of the first book.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Decided to switch to caps for Earth, Heaven, and Hell. Quickly ran into all of the usual consistency crap from my last book. Good thing there's an undo feature in Word.

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Luckily I renamed Heaven to paradise so I can get away with caps. I just need a name for Hell

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Down under.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Changed 370 years to 220 years. I would have gone for less, but the AC needs time to secretly recruit and place 10,000 followers in the Church globally, including allowing for turnover in the ranks. I hope I'm done with this s--t now. I'm sick of act one. Time to screw up act two.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

This is too cool not to share. It's from the latest season finale of The Mandalorian. Someone recut the final battle and set it to an epic version of The Force theme. Too bad The Rise of Skywalker didn't end with this kind of a bang.
https://youtu.be/5NmKRVTP-3E

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Coming in cold, no idea of the plot or the players (except recognizing the final one) it seemed kinda one-sided, but I'll buy it

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

There are people on YouTube who filmed themselves watching that episode. It was funny. First a buzz when they see the X-Wing. Then excitement builds as they see the hooded figure with a lightsaber on a black & white screen. "Don't toy with me...," one says. Then joy when they see it's green (Luke's lightsaber in ROTJ). Finally ecstasy when he wades into the corridor full of killer droids. What's silly is that I took time out of my life to watch their reactions. I don't actually have Disney+. No interest.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Nuts. My first murder victim's titular church (next to the cemetery) isn't actually a titular church. I didn't think until yesterday to research if there was a specific list of such churches vs my previous assumption that any church could be one if it was assigned a cardinal. Somewhat surprising that the church I chose isn't one given how big it is. I doubt I'm going to fix it, though. It's too difficult to accurately determine interior and exterior layouts of big churches based solely on internet photos.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Can you just bump it to a different church?

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

It's doable but a royal pain. Probably a day of research, and I won't really know if I got the layout right since I usually have just photos to work with. Also, I took advantage of the outside of Saint Lawrence's Basilica during the shootout with the first demon (eg there really is a small grove of trees for Campana to hide behind).

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I'm trying to improve on Inspector De Rosa's idiopathic acute systemic inflammation. Originally, he was coughing all the time, which was too annoying. Now he almost never has a flareup, which is too little. It's actually important later in the story, so I'm thinking of making it psychologically/supernaturally induced, with flareups/stigmata whenever he's confronted with grave sin, including the crucifixions of the cardinals. I could have another flareup when Connor and Alessandro are struck by lightning. If I go with stigmata, he'd have to wrap his wrists a lot to hide it/keep from bleeding over everything. The neck wound could be in the shape of the cross to match the one he always wears. The bloody cough would remain unchanged, and I'd add a raw throat. He's going to need a lot of handkerchiefs and uniform shirts. :-)

In real life, a condition called hematohidrosis is thought to be a possible cause of stigmata. Basically, people sweat blood in response to intense emotions. The Bible mentions that Jesus's sweat was like blood while praying in Gethsemane before his arrest. Another possible cause is malignant malaria, which causes bleeding from the hands and feet. St. Francis of Assisi is thought to have suffered from that.

EDIT: Another alternative is to go with full stigmata (hands/wrists, feet, side, and forehead) and get rid of the bleeding neck. I'd keep the bloody cough, though, as I want him to suffer, not just bleed externally.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

My line of thinking is his illness will drown among the other illnesses that have been healed (minus the notable blindness). My writing temptation would be to go some completely different route such as de Rosa has insistent debt collectors and his miracle/intercession is the debt collectors are suddenly nice. Or maybe a beam of light shoots through them à la Temple of Doom

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

There won't be a miracle healing. It's not an illness. God works in mysterious ways. :-)

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Ah, but I didn't mean healing -- only illness. You'd haveto work hard to make it not look like an illness

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Easy peasy. He already knows it's stigmata brought on by exposure to evil deeds. He's been living with it for a long time. His colleagues, including Campana, know too. Needs a few minor tweaks to chapter four (where we first meet him). From then on, it flares whenever he confronts murders, including that of Alessandro. This fits perfectly into the overall story. Much better than a medical condition that doesn't really exist. I still need a reason to show the reader the cross around his neck, though, which plays a role later. Burning or bleeding at the neck would give me the excuse I need for him to open his shirt.