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Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Oh dear, I have failed miserably LOL But no, Agnes would need a hip replacement first before she can sit on a guy's lap like that! ps - those days hip replacements were not available yet, so lucky for Matthew hahaha

Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Hey everyone

If I'm quiet, it's because I'm fixing what I call Northern Skies Chapter 1 for the Strongest Start Comp!

amy, yep, that means we're probably going to talk some more blood, wounds, exposed flesh and shock (commonly referred to as trauma in short).  I'm going to need help if I'm going to fix that mess!

Anyway, I'll be checking in now and again, and will be back!  wink

Cheers Janet

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Let me know what I can do to help.

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amy s wrote:

Let me know what I can do to help.

Did anyone tell you recently you're the best?!  If not, you are!  I didn't even have to shout  smile

Ok, I was thinking of changing the arrow wound from one where the arrow point is stuck to one where the arrow tip went through but the arrow shaft is still embedded.  Henry will have some honey and strips of cloth at hand given they were going to a raid.  So at the scene, they will break the shaft in half and pull it out - a cloth soaked in honey will be attached to the end going through her arm to "clean" the wound while they're at it.  Stitches are out of the question given they're expecting trouble and their location.  They'll bandage the wound properly with some more honey to be safe and to try and stop the bleeding.  Given that Catherine won't be able to ride, she's going with Matthew and not home.  She'll protest, but it won't work.  So that bit is still fine.

Is there a realistic spot on someone's arm (preferably upper arm) where an arrow can go through, even shoulder would be ok, where she'd be able to move around (being careful) within 2-3 days and riding again in 4-5 days.  If it's possible even just for 1% of the cases.  In terms of shock/trauma - would she be ok to notice Matthew when they're together on his horse or when he's holding her during the treatment or do I need to change that to a later stage i.e. when he checks up on her before he questions her back at the tower?

And absolutely, everyone else is also more than welcome to give me their thoughts!  The more, the better!

THANK YOU!!!!
xx

Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Back of the upper arm then.  I'd prefer to me that you don't put it through the biceps because the axillary artery runs along there.  If you decide to use the biceps, then just say that the artery didn't get hit when they remove the shaft of the arrow. 

Biceps = pain when bending the elbow

Triceps (back of arm) = pain when extending the elbow

The bleeding might not be so bad once the arrow is pulled (some bleeding but not a lot) if it didn't hit the artery.

You could certainly wrap up C and have her relax in Matthew's arms.  Once her arm is wrapped (and she is sitting up so the swelling is less), she could relax because the pain is less and go to sleep. 

Oh, it is better to leave the wound open and not suture because if the wound gets infected, it will drain out rather than cook bacteria under the skin.

Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Hi amy

Back of the upper arm is also what I was thinking.  And yes, this way, intentional or not, the baddies will drain and simmer!

Thank you!
Janet

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Not a problem.  Good luck with the contest!

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amy s wrote:

Not a problem.  Good luck with the contest!

Surely you meant to say good luck to everyone else in the contest because I'm entering the thing?!  Seriously, just kidding, I'm not delusional!  Sole purpose is to learn more and improve my skills to start my novels!  smile

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Hi K

Not necessarily reduce the number of engagements, more that I'm not planning to spend pages and pages on each encounter.  But that's besides the point, because I wholeheartedly agree with you and now feel much better that I should do it, and that it will work better, and that it may just very well spare me heaps of pain later.

The plan is:

On the night they all return to the castle, I'm going to change it to kissing, touching and exploring - Matthew will stop it, and will tell Catherine he's willing to take it further but she needs to be sure first.  Anthony is pretty good at keeping them apart and C mad at M and M is also a gentleman after all (yes, it's a loose definition of gentlemanly behaviour sometimes, but that's men for you!  LOL).  So the biggest change would be that Catherine will be going to Matthew's chamber first time.

So it looks like it will be some time before a new chapter sees the light as I fix the first chapters for the comp, and then the subsequent chapters with this new line of thought.  I think the change is big enough to warrant it.

This is much appreciated!  Thank you!
Janet

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Hey JR!

Just got your reply. I'm sure you've already heard this but a review is an opinion. Anything I say is my perspective (or anyone else's, unless ita grammar and punctuation). Don't make changes for every single person!

That being said, on me not caring about Catherine-

I see she is loyal. That's great. But its mixed in with all the other stuff going on so its really down played. But that in itself doesn't give me a sense of WHO she is. What her life is normally like, what she does, what's at stake, what her flaws are. Your main character has to grow through the story, overcome something within themselves to become a hero, or find love. Right now, I don't know that. I feel like I should know some of that before she is tossed into the adventure so the injury means something to me. But that's me. The good news is, I think you have all the puzzle pieces and they just need to be rearranged.

Any who, on the time/place specific words, it doesn't take much to leave them in. We just need a definition immideate to the first use. Like
"The berkiman wall, an impenetrable barricade of gray, moss covered rock, grew on the horizon."

I totally have no clue what it is. Lol! Just showing how you can have your cake and eat it too. Because stuff like that is why historical romance readers read historical romance... That and the porking.

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bimmy

Make sense - the rewrite will hopefully fix that by default when I try and focus a bit more M and C instead of everything and everyone else.  It's not going to be easy given the situation as you'd hope that Matthew wouldn't go into a raid all by himself ...

Just in case, a barmekin wall is just that, a wall.  Specifically a wall around a border tower house.  But I see what you did there - now to see if I can do it without making it obvious to the reader I'm spoon feeding them!  LOL  You're giving me great advice and are picking up things that haven't been picked up - no mean feat given the number of reviewers that already went through the first chapters!!!

I'll let you know when I've posted the revised chapters - I'll do it somehow without messing up the rest of stuff and to make sure all previous reviewers will get points again if they review again.  Guess my learning curve on this new site is going to go up!  smile

Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Oh lord...please don't rescue a kitten!

But yes, some kind of subltly valient act. Perhaps back up to where Catherine finds out about Anthony's plans. What was she doing?

Maybe there was a hole in her wall she was helping to fix. Maybe she's at the wedding of one of her step children and she gives a toast that shows her generosity and perhaps shyness. Maybe... She's a midwife and saves a mom and baby...there K...if that ain't cute and cuddly. Lol!

Anyway, just giving us one previous chapter to where you start can really set the time and place in our heads and give us time to bond to Catherine.


Ooo! If you go the wedding route, Matthew can be there too and they can completely Ignor each other and she can observe all the women fawning over him. Yeah!

Or keep it and have her just rescue a kitten. Lol.

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I like the idea of midwife. Didn't the female head of household used to help deliver children? It would be a great way to stay familiar with your subjects and foster a bond...

Just thinking...

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To hard to please?!?! Khippolite HAS reviewed you right? right?

lol

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I don't care if you have more or less local vocab. I just need to be initiated to it with more/better context clues. Hobblers wasn't bad. I figured it just meant horse.

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Handbrake turn, fellow knights in dull and smudged armour.  All bimmy meant was that I gave too much attention to the raid and injury, and not enough to Catherine and her motivation for being there in the first place - given that Catherine is trying to get Anthony out of trouble AND making sure Matthew doesn't get killed either, who wouldn't like/connect with her even though neither Anthony or Matthew is cute and fluffy (except bimmy of course LOL). 

I think it's a much easier fix to bring her motivation up a level/to the fore than having her being told by Isaac about the raid while she delivers a baby and save the mother's life, jumps on her horse, save a little lamb from drowning on the way (there are no more wolves in England by this time, otherwise it would've been the go) while she chews her favourite cereal and to boot, help an old woman carry her fire-wood back to her cottage.

And in any case, you guys are now interfering with the heroine of the second book, so I really can't go down the cute and fluffy baby animals route.

But now I have another question - if I change the first chapter POV to Matthew (amy's idea which I like for a number of reasons) and if I can do it (not sure I have enough exciting stuff for a whole chapter as Catherine will be shot at the end of the first chapter in this version), would this be a problem?  I don't think so, because then readers will connect with Matthew who is on his way in less than 30mins to help his neighbour?  Usually romance novels are written in the female POV and or start with the female POV, but I'm not fussed, have read enough romance novels where the male POV is given the same plot space as well as to start the novel.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you - things are this close ---> <---- to back-to-normal!  big_smile

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bimmy wrote:

To hard to please?!?! Khippolite HAS reviewed you right? right?

lol

You're still new and I'm still working on getting you "on my side"  (submissive is the word I want to use, but in the context of romance novels, it will just give everyone the wrong idea! hahahahahaha)  big_smile

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bimmy wrote:

I don't care if you have more or less local vocab. I just need to be initiated to it with more/better context clues. Hobblers wasn't bad. I figured it just meant horse.

Nah, you've done well!  But keep me on my toes when the context isn't sufficient to support the meaning of the word (as if I need to ask! pft)

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janet reid wrote:

I think it's a much easier fix to bring her motivation up a level/to the fore than having her being told by Isaac about the raid while she delivers a baby and save the mother's life, jumps on her horse, save a little lamb from drowning on the way (there are no more wolves in England by this time, otherwise it would've been the go) while she chews her favourite cereal and to boot, help an old woman carry her fire-wood back to her cottage.


EPIC!

Bwahahaha!!!

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Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

Hey girl..I'm on you're side...or wouldn't be reviewing you.

Look at this formula (jeez, I hate formulas but this one pretty much every story ever written starting with "in the beginning")

normal ----> big change ----> exciting stuff---->new normal/happy ending

Northern Skies is skipping the "normal" part of the story. You jump right to "big change". Without the "normal" there is nothing to gauge the "big change" by or compare the "happy ending" to.

I don't think escalating or intensifying Catherine's mad dash is going to fix the problem. I think it will worsen it. I don't agree with K's fuzzy bunny suggestion, btw. I don't even think you have to 'make" her valiant. She just has to be somebody before her adventure starts. She doesn't even have to be a special somebody or a likeable somebody. But definitely a somebody. And it needs to be shown to us, not told.

Okay, I'll quit bugging you about it now. You're doing a great job and you know you are when people are fighting over how you should tweak your work. lol!

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Re being on my side, much appreciated!  But I meant the other "on my side" - where you just agree with everything I say and do!  wink  *looks over shoulder, phew, K's not around, so I'm safe and all is good*

Thanks for the support and kind words too!  *blushes prettily*

Last round!  smile

Isn't "normal" boring to start with?  And you can bring the normal in as the story develops?  In any case, I'll see what I can do to show more of Catherine before she gets shot.  So we're good I think?!
Thanks!!!!

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It's definitely a balancing game!

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KHippolite wrote:
bimmy wrote:

To hard to please?!?! Khippolite HAS reviewed you right? right?

Heh... I haven't made poor Janet suffer through my detailed reviews where I'm running charts, diagrams, and statistical analysis on the story.

I'd be upset, but I'm too grateful!  (I think)  big_smile

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I think I can translate Bimmy into Janet-ese. 

If you start the beginning of the story with C in her hold and being notified of the news of her brother, then you have 'placed' her in context.  The character probably runs to her horse and starts to ride right after the news.  Lotsa drama in this moment.

Potential beginning chapter: what does the hold look like?  Is C doing the books and wondering how she is going to pay her brother's latest debt?  She gets the horse saddled without the staff realizing (this is night and you mention raiders...she wouldn't normally go out alone onto the moor, would she?)  and orders the gate guard to open whatever opening there is in the wall...she rides out...  Does a servant see and try to stop her?  What kind of guards does she avoid?  She rides out into the dark to save her brother from making the biggest mistake of his life and ruining them both. 

Cut to M.  He rides with his men, responding to the warning of an upcoming attack.  He would be assessing the men and how they've responded in the past to a fight (again, mention the raiders because this is his main experience with combat).  He would think they wouldn't have bows, perhaps, making him more willing to ride into dangerous areas than he would otherwise.  He would be thinking of the layout of the endangered hamlet, as well as the amount of people/ children there.  He would be scanning the sky for signs of fire lighting the underside of the clouds.  He would be pacing the horses so they wouldn't tire when his men approached the town.  He would be scanning the ground for tripwires on the road...this would a certain way to bring down his men in an easy pile.  Then he hears the scream as C is shot.  On alert, he rides closer. 

Does this help? 

Don't worry about K and his spreadsheets.  Just keep writing.  The spreadsheets are awesome to look at.  When he pulls them out, it's usually to make a point.  Wait till you see his drawings.  They're even better.

A

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I went, yes!  Amy is penta-lingual, but now I'm not so sure anymore.  I've pretty mentioned all of that, except for the part where she was informed about the raid implicating Anthony.  Would the difference be instead of Catherine fretting about it, it's "shown"?  Because I can see a review coming where someone is going to say something like "start at the beginning" and that all those bits and pieces are not needed right from the start.

But tell you what.  I haven't started with the revision yet because I was busy packing my house (not the brick and mortar, the contents) into a container.  I'll see what I can do based on all your comments and suggestions.  One thing I do know for sure, if I can pull this off, it'll be the stuff that wins writing competitions!  LOL  big_smile  big_smile  big_smile

I also have NO problem standing on the side line while K makes you guys suffer with his legendary approach!  I'm more than happy with his reviews of NS so far.  smile