1 (edited by Dirk B. 2019-07-07 22:37:54)

Topic: Sentence structure question - Grammar

I'm almost afraid to ask another grammar question, lest I unleash another kerfuffle, but here goes. :-)

Can someone please tell me if the second sentence is considered grammatically correct? I prefer the way it reads, and I've seen it used by an experienced author with whom I trade reviews.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considering him too pious to be his friend.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considered him too pious to be his friend.

Or do I need to use a period instead of the comma?

Thanks
Dirk

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Dirk B. wrote:

I'm almost afraid to ask another grammar question, lest I unleash another kerfuffle, but here goes. :-)

Can someone please tell me if the second sentence is considered grammatically correct? I prefer the way it reads, and I've seen it used by an experienced author with whom I trade reviews.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considering him too pious to be his friend.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considered him too pious to be his friend.

Or do I need to use a period instead of the comma?

Thanks
Dirk

Alessandro never liked Connor and considered him too pious to be his friend.

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Alessandro never liked Connor, considering him to pious to be his friend.

Though in an informal, breezy voice I'd go with your original version.

4 (edited by Temple Wang 2018-12-03 08:36:01)

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Dirk B. wrote:

I'm almost afraid to ask another grammar question, lest I unleash another kerfuffle, but here goes. :-)

Can someone please tell me if the second sentence is considered grammatically correct? I prefer the way it reads, and I've seen it used by an experienced author with whom I trade reviews.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considering him too pious to be his friend.

Alessandro never liked Connor, considered him too pious to be his friend.

Or do I need to use a period instead of the comma?

Thanks
Dirk

I use a structure like this purposely sometimes, and I know other writers whose style/voice is suitable for this kind of structure.  I’m familiar with your work, and the second would stand out as unusual to your style/voice in my opinion.

A period alone isn’t much of a solution.  Grammar-wise, you’re missing the subject (though the flexible among us (like me) would argue it’s “implied”).  Chuck’s suggestion is fine.  However, I think the pause implied by the comma is meaningful.  I see three other options (in addition to Chuck’s)—depending on how long you want the pause.  [Also, the end of it sounds a little wonky to me, as with three pronouns in short order (“him,” “his,” and the implied “he” preceding the second clause), assigning the antecedents gets a little stumbly. I’d lose one of the pronouns to make it clearer]:

Alessandro never liked Connor—considered him too pious (to have as friend).
Alessandro never liked Connor.  He considered him too pious (to have as friend).
Alessandro never liked Connor; he considered him too pious (to have as friend).

THAT SAID: If it were me. I would put a period after “pious” and end it there.  That’s a punchier sentence, and I think the friend bit is implied.  In fact, some writers (like me), might be tempted to make it even more terse (though this might not fit your style):

Alessandro never liked Connor—too pious.

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

njc wrote:

Alessandro never liked Connor, considering him to pious to be his friend.

Though in an informal, breezy voice I'd go with your original version.

, *-ing blah blah. is as correct as:

Bob and me love pole dancers, considering them dangling boobs and all.

There is almost always a disconnect between the intended subject and a trailing -ing participial modifier, so, at least, the first of the following two is better in being in proximity to the subject:

Having five kids and another one on the way, my mother always keeps the ironing board up.
My mother always keeps the ironing board up, having five kids and another one on the way.

https://menwithpens.ca/dangling-participles/

https://www.theguardian.com/media/mind- … articiples
Excuse me, but I think your modifier is dangling
There are far too many, just hanging around and annoying the reader. It's time to cut them down.

6 (edited by Charles_F_Bell 2018-12-03 10:01:51)

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Temple Wang wrote:

I see three other options (in addition to Chuck’s

Of course, you do. You prefer to change meaning away from the author's intent by dropping the connection between the guy being too pious and his being unsuitable as a friend. The sentence in my corrected form conveys more information than your final edited version: not liked, not a friend, and too pious.

7 (edited by Temple Wang 2018-12-03 11:42:53)

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Aw, man.  Kerfuffle’s off his leash again.  Who was on troll watch?
Better Call Sol [sic]

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Thank you, all. Meditate on this, me will.

Re: Sentence structure question - Grammar

Alessandro never liked Connor and considered him too pious to be his friend.