Topic: reflected or refracted

Can anyone tell me which word I would  use here. I'm not sure. Thanks in advance.

There’s a slight breeze today, and the streamers shift and sparkle and dazzle. The refracted (or reflected?) light dapples the yard and even our faces.

2 (edited by B Douglas Slack 2018-07-19 16:45:00)

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Reflected would mean the light isn't changed by them hitting anything like a mirror. It only alters the path of the light.

Refration is the same as passing through a prism and forming a rainbow. For example: Cut crystal chaneliers will refract light and splash rainbows on the walls.

In your case, I don't think either would be the correct word as the streamers you refer to could be due to, say, tree braches filled with leaves. At the breeze blows, they would make the streamers dance, but not necessarily sparkle or dazzle unless you're looking directly into one or there is dust in the air. If dust, this would mean sparkle as well. You could describe the scene like this:

The trees [or whatever is breaking up solid sunlight] shifted in the light breese and shafts of sunlight danced across the yard and shined brightly [or shining brightly] into our faces.

The choice is, of course, up to you.

Bill

3 (edited by Memphis Trace 2018-07-19 17:19:59)

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The following is the picture I saw when I read streamers:
noun
plural noun: streamers
a long, narrow strip of material used as a decoration or symbol.
"plastic party streamers"
synonyms:    pennant, pennon, flag, banderole, banner
"streamers fluttered from every post and pole along the parade route"

If they are the streamers you mean then reflected is the word you want.

Memphis Trace

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they are those gold and silver ones. does that make any difference?

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Debbie Green wrote:

they are those gold and silver ones. does that make any difference?

They would sparkle more brightly, i.e., reflect more light. Think of mirrors.

Memphis Trace

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Thanks!

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Debbie Green wrote:

Can anyone tell me which word I would  use here. I'm not sure. Thanks in advance.

There’s a slight breeze today, and the streamers shift and sparkle and dazzle. The refracted (or reflected?) light dapples the yard and even our faces.

When you type in the query: “what is the difference between reflection and refraction” into Google, the first hit is:

https://www.differencebetween.com/diffe … efraction/

The internet is magic. Dictionaries are cool too.

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reflection is the bouncing of light off a surface, refraction is the bending of light. It sounds like you are thinking of light bouncing off the surfaces of the moving streamers and getting sent off in various directions, so reflection.

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Thanks Dallas and Alkemi: reflected it is then. I appreciate the help.

10 (edited by Sideman 2018-07-19 23:23:49)

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This is right up my alley. My degree is Geometric Optics (a narrowed application of the Physics of Light). Reflected would be correct, technically ... and practically. To reflect is to simply redirect the path of the light source or image. To refract is to deviate the direction of the light as it PASSES THROUGH a medium. When light is reflected, that means it is not significantly passing through the medium - in this case, the streamers are the medium. Also, when light is reflected it can be distorted but, usually, not deviated.

A medium is anything rays of light either pass through or off of which they reflected. Sometimes a medium can absorb all the light, but that is a totally different thing that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Hope that helps.

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What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?

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Reflection is the word, but there also might be another question within your example. Do you need to tell the reader it is sparkling and dazzling or might you simply show it with the reflected light creating dapples in the yard and such -- which you are doing anyway. Just a thought. Take care. Vern

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alkemi wrote:

What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?


Probably not as refraction is normally the passing of light through a tangible medium. If you apply the principles of Loop Quantum Gravity with General Relativity, by means of the Planck Scale, it indicates that gravitational pull passes the light through a vacuum which causes it to bend, due to a change in velocity. Because the light has not passed through a medium of tangible mass (it passed through a vacuum) it is therefore not refracted, by the definition of refraction.

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Sideman wrote:
alkemi wrote:

What about gravitational bending of light, would that count as refraction?


Probably not as refraction is normally the passing of light through a tangible medium. If you apply the principles of Loop Quantum Gravity with General Relativity, by means of the Planck Scale, it indicates that gravitational pull passes the light through a vacuum which causes it to bend, due to a change in velocity. Because the light has not passed through a medium of tangible mass (it passed through a vacuum) it is therefore not refracted, by the definition of refraction.

Einstein agrees with Sideman. He called it "bending light" so it's probably safe to say he would have called it "refraction" if that were the case. Take care. Vern

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Personally? Well, I love how Debbie Green hung in there for the first few advice columns, but then...

Well, then she shut herself up and was like...

THIS SHIT IS GETTING TOO GODDAMNED SCIENTIFIC FOR ME and I'M outta HERE!~

I dunno. Just made me laugh is all.

It's fun to be silly.

Cheers

John

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John Hamler wrote:

Personally? Well, I love how Debbie Green hung in there for the first few advice columns, but then...

Well, then she shut herself up and was like...

THIS SHIT IS GETTING TOO GODDAMNED SCIENTIFIC FOR ME and I'M outta HERE!~

I dunno. Just made me laugh is all.

It's fun to be silly.

Cheers

John

And this bit of "a-cute" observation made me laugh as well. Thanks, John. Take care. Vern

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Vern: The dappling is the most important part - or the part my character's brother is watching.

Lol - John you made me spit out my coffee this AM when I read this cause...yeah. A lot of it zipped right over my head. Thank you everyone for your help. It looks like reflected is way to go - either that or maybe just use balloons? Nah - just kidding. Reflected it is. And thanks again everyone for taking the time to help me out. That line has been bugging me for a while. So if it were a prism it would be refracted though - right?

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Correct. To add some obfuscation to the game, if there were glass, diamond-cut sequins on the streamers, it would be 'refracted' as they twinkle with various hues when light strikes them.

Bill

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What Bill said!

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And to think, with a couple of keystrokes or a flip of a page, this rabbit hole could’ve been spared completely....
George, Charles, and Noah are looking down from heaven and saying, “WTF?”

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Dallas Wright wrote:

And to think, with a couple of keystrokes or a flip of a page, this rabbit hole could’ve been spared completely....
George, Charles, and Noah are looking down from heaven and saying, “WTF?”

Probably true, but some rabbit holes are fun to go down. Just ask Alice. Take care. Vern

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Debbie Green wrote:

Vern: The dappling is the most important part - or the part my character's brother is watching.

Yes, it certainly appears to be the most important part of the excerpt. That is why I suggested you might use the dappling to "show" the sparkle and dazzle without having to "tell" the reader it sparkles and dazzles. Of course others may disagree with that assessment and there is nothing wrong with some telling within a story; it is doubtful a good story can be told without some telling. Take care. Vern