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Topic: Much to be thankful for

Folks,
Have a happy Thanksgiving courtesy of Dana Milbank in today's Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … amp;wpmm=1 :

“So this is how it’s going to work today,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders informed the press corps Monday. She told reporters that “if you want to ask a question,” you should “start off with what you’re thankful for.”

Like good little girls and boys, several obliged. The reporters were grateful for their children, their spouses, their health and the privilege of getting to ask questions at the White House. Then there was John Gizzi of Newsmax, thankful to his wife “for saying yes on the fourth request. My question is about Zimbabwe ... ”

I prefer to share my thoughts of gratitude with my family at the Thanksgiving table, rather than when commanded to by a Trump mouthpiece. But maybe Sanders was onto something with her infantilizing of the press corps. Maybe in this week of Thanksgiving, we all should speak about what we are grateful for in public life. I’ll start.

Sarah, I am thankful for the checks and balances the Founders put in place, for they are what stand between us and despotism when a demagogic president’s instincts would take us there. And I am profoundly grateful to the many men and women who, often at great personal cost and risk, have stood up to the authoritarian in the White House. President Trump has done much damage, particularly to our international standing and our civil culture, but it would be so much worse without these profiles in courage.

I’m thankful for James B. Comey, who was fired because he refused to be bullied by Trump into curtailing the FBI’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

I’m thankful for Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, who after an initial stumble redeemed himself by naming a special counsel to carry on the Russia probe.

I’m thankful for Robert S. Mueller III, like Comey a veteran of both Republican and Democratic administrations, who is pursuing the probe without yielding to Trump’s trash talk.

I’m thankful for Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron, Justin Trudeau and others who are trying to maintain international order and to fill the void in world leadership left by Trump’s retreat.

I’m thankful for Sally Yates, who forced Trump to fire her as acting attorney general rather than enforce his unconstitutional ban on travelers from Muslim-majority nations.

I’m thankful for Judge James L. Robart, a George W. Bush appointee, who blocked the travel ban and endured taunts from Trump of being a “so-called judge” who should be blamed if violence occurred.

I’m thankful that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld Robart’s ruling.

I’m thankful for Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), whose outspoken criticism of Trump derailed their political careers, and to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), fighting Trump’s “half-baked, spurious nationalism” even as he fights brain cancer, and to GOP Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) and Ben Sasse (Neb.) for resisting Trump’s excesses.

I’m thankful to Republican Govs. John Kasich (Ohio), Brian Sandoval (Nev.), Charlie Baker (Mass.) and others who fought Trump-backed efforts to repeal Obamacare without an adequate replacement.

I’m thankful to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis for maintaining some international stability while Trump spreads chaos, and to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson for reportedly calling Trump a “moron” and national security adviser H.R. McMaster for reportedly calling Trump an “idiot” with the intelligence of a “kindergartner.”

I’m thankful for the life of Heather Heyer, killed in Charlottesville as she protested white supremacists. And I’m thankful for Veterans Affairs Secretary David Shulkin, who denounced the neo-Nazis forcefully when Trump and others in the administration wouldn’t.

I’m thankful for George W. Bush, who spoke out against the “nativism,” “casual cruelty,” “bigotry” and “conspiracy theories and outright fabrication” that have risen with Trump.

I’m thankful for my colleagues Michael Gerson, Jennifer Rubin, George F. Will and Charles Krauthammer and for many other conservative intellectuals who routinely denounce Trump’s betrayal of conservatism and decency.

I’m thankful for my many colleagues in the Post newsroom and elsewhere (even at the failing New York Times) who have exposed the administration’s abuses, and for the fearless editors and owners who let them do that work.

I’m thankful for the many civil servants in the federal government who refuse to bend the facts to suit this administration’s whims, and for the whistleblowers and, yes, the “leakers” who reveal Trump’s abuses.

I’m thankful to the voters of Virginia and elsewhere, who gave us a first signthat Trump’s scourge of nationalism and race-baiting can be repelled.

And I’m profoundly thankful that Trump and so many of his appointees have turned out to be incompetent, unable to implement some of his most dangerous ideas.

In short, Sarah, I am thankful that a combination of brave people, brilliant Framers and dumb luck have prevented your boss from doing much worse.

Memphis Trace

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Well put.

Especially with the pending Net Neutrality gutting, keystone pipeline leak, joke of a tax bill being hidden as 'reform', and the possibility of electing a child predator in Alabama....it's nice to see a chronicle of the last year in a different light.

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Thanks for posting that, Memphis Trace.  Very nice reminder of what we have to be thankful for. 

I would add additional thoughts of my own:  I'm thankful we haven't been attacked with a nuclear bomb yet by North Korea because of Resident Trump's foolish mouth and inability to see the error of his public name-calling and childish tweets.  I am thankful the curtain is about to fall on his Residency in the White House, as well as the Trump Mafia who have taken over, including his daughter and son-in-law.  I am thankful there are still sane people in this country not willing to let this fool run rough-shod over us as were his intentions from the beginning.  I am thankful there are people who oppose the Republican tax cut, giving a person like myself an additional $800 (WOW!) of spending money per year, while giving Resident Trump an additional $25 billion per year. 

All in all, things could be worse.  Hopefully Mueller is about to wrap up his investigation and arrest the entire Trump clan, including Junior and his brother, Cadaver Boy. 

Fingers crossed, and wishing everyone here a blessed and happy Thanksgiving! 

MJ

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Blessings and good wishes to you.  JP

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Trump explains his tax bill as different strokes for different folks

Memphis Trace

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http://theweek.com/cartoons/745256/poli … -christmas

Take care. Vern

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GAIL COLLINS
Hillary Lost, but the Future Is Hers

Question: Do you think Donald Trump spends more time thinking about Hillary Clinton than Hillary Clinton spends thinking about Donald Trump?

Sure does seem like it. The other day, President Trump was discussing Russia at a press conference with the prime minister of Norway, when he suddenly announced that Clinton “was not for a strong military and Hillary, my opponent, was for windmills, and she was for other types of energy that don’t have the same capacities at this moment certainly.”

Yeah, it didn’t make any sense. But he really can’t seem to get past her. Recently while promoting tax cuts and a congressional candidate in Pennsylvania, Trump veered off to remind the crowd that during the campaign, Clinton had once called his supporters “deplorables.”

“Who would have thought that was going to turn into a landslide?” asked the president, alluding to a contest in which he lost the popular vote by 2.9 million.

This weekend, we’re commemorating — acknowledging? — the first anniversary of Trump’s inauguration. And remembering the great national explosion of Women’s Marches that followed, in which millions of Americans poured out of their homes and took to the streets to announce that this was not going to be the end of anything.

In honor of that second anniversary, let’s think about Hillary’s side of the story. Before we begin, it’s important to agree that this is not going to involve any discussion of whether she should have gone to Wisconsin more. Therein lies madness.

Here’s my take: Her campaign was probably doomed from the start and utterly transformative.
Doomed because when a president has served for two terms, Americans are inclined to go for change and pick the other party next time — even if things have been going along rather swimmingly. That’s generally been the modern pattern and it’s probably going to become even more true now that what’s left of our attention span is being pulverized by cellphones. And in 2016 if you were going to find a candidate who seemed to promise more of the same, it would have to be the woman who had been secretary of state for the departing two-term Democratic president, and was married to the two-term Democratic president before that.

I suppose she could have emerged after the nomination, dressed in white for the suffragists, and said, “Look, I love those guys but I’ll be totally different.” Would have been tough. Dissing both the first African-American president and her husband, who seems to take rejection of his legacy rather badly. Anyhow, didn’t happen.

This is the point where we start sinking into a dark hole, mulling whether she should have spent more time in Wisconsin. Then, of course, comes the question of whether Clinton lost because she was a woman. The answer is: sort of. Her gender was both a handicap and an enormous selling point. Would the Democrats have wanted Harry Clinton to be their nominee? (Just try to construct a Harry Clinton in your mind. I dare you.)

And — wait a minute, don’t get depressed. There’s another side: Even if her sex was a problem, it allowed her to transform the country more than many men who won the job. While losing, she made it normal for women to run for the most powerful office on the planet.

This is critical. Look at all the breakthroughs women have made in the last century, and you’ll notice how many of them involved just making their presence in some new place seem matter of fact. All that pain and struggle to win the right to vote, and what did it get us short term? Warren Harding. But long term, it created a world where the big gubernatorial election in Virginia was analyzed in terms of women in the suburbs and that knockout Senate race in Alabama was pretty much all about black women streaming to the polls.

Or take a more modest example. There was a time — not all that long ago — when television executives believed a woman could not be the solo anchor on the national evening news because our voices didn’t convey the proper sense of authority. Then in 2006, Katie Couric took over at CBS, to great hubbub and commentary. She did fine. Life moved on. In 2009 Diane Sawyer became the anchor at ABC. She did fine. There was barely a peep. The great triumph actually did not arrive until everybody found the whole matter boring.

Now, when people handicap the next Democratic presidential nomination, there are lots of women in the mix — Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand. (And, O.K., Oprah.) Whoever runs, the important thing is that primary debates will no longer resemble Shriner conventions. Women will be all over the place. Soon, they’ll be half the big decision-makers. It will be normal.

When Hillary Rodham Clinton graduated from law school and started her career, virtually the only women who had made it into the Senate were either honorary appointees for a brief symbolic term (the first, Rebecca Latimer Felton, got one day) or a senator’s widow. The exceptions proved the rule. The great Margaret Chase Smith came from the House, where she had succeeded her dead husband. Nancy Kassebaum happened to be the daughter of the Republican presidential candidate Alf Landon.

You get the idea. And there was Hillary. On the one hand, another political wife. On another, a marker for the entire country, driving home the fact that Congress was never going to be just a guy thing again. At times of despair I like to recall that when she was sworn into the Senate in 2001, my little niece watched the coverage intensely, and asked my sister whether it was possible for men to be senators, too.

Campaigning in 2000, almost everywhere Clinton went, she drew enthusiastic crowds. Partly, they were there to see the first-lady-turned-candidate, the one who had come through more disasters than the Titanic. Partly they were already imagining their party’s next standard-bearer. But nobody seemed more excited than women around her own age, who turned out in droves, no matter how unpleasant the weather or remote the spot. I always thought they saw her and thought about second chances: If you put in the time as a stay-at-home mother or took non-dream jobs because of all the responsibilities at home, you could still move on at midlife to something new and totally terrific. And maybe the kids would be sitting proudly behind you on the bus, like Chelsea.

That Senate race was the moment when she found her own identity as a politician. Floundering in the early high-profile media moments, she retreated off to long tours of upstate New York in which she went from one earnest panel discussion on economic development to another about the dairy compact. That, it turned out, was the Hillary version people liked best. Super-prepared, taking every problem seriously. She tried to resurrect it for her presidential campaign but the country was, it seemed, looking for something more exciting. Except for the 65.8 million people who voted for her.

It’s 2018, a big election year, and women are going to be running everywhere. We’re sort of astonished by the numbers, but not by their ambition. They’ll be elected to city councils, state legislatures and Congress and hardly anyone will give their gender a second thought. That’s Hillary’s gift.

Here’s the message she left us. You can have that double dip at opportunity — you can even have a third or fourth chance if things go wrong. All you need to do is ignore every setback and work like a maniac.
And also, you could think about changing the Electoral College.


This article should be subtitled: A Profile of Courage.

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Before all is said and done, the shut down will be crooked Hillary's fault. And roughly a third of the population will believe the pathological liar they deem to be Lord Trump. Take care. Vern

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Apple just paid 38 Billion dollars in taxes in anticipation of bringing 350 Billion back from overseas, where it was parked to protect it from a double-taxation regime inflicted by no other industrial country.  That's over a Third of a Trillion dollars that will go to work in the US economy.  It will raise living standards.  It will result in taxes paid.  And, unlike government stimulus, it will keep cycling over and over--or until some future Democrat administration decides again to kill the goose in order to get at the golden eggs faster ... or to strangle the goose with regulations, just on principle that government should be free and capitalism should be in chains--instead of in harness.

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Oh, for sure, we don't need any regulations on business or anything else. Hell, who needs to inspect food or roads and bridges; who needs speed limits or airline rules for maintenance or flight patterns; who needs rules on monopolies who run others out of business so they can jack up prices; who needs rules on loan sharks or banking institutions which prey upon the unwitting or desperate; who needs taxes for schools when their kids don't attend; who needs rules against fraud or bullying or stealing intellectual property; who needs anything the government provides when one can do everything for themselves you know like build a business with no help from anyone like employees, public roads to transport goods, machines to produce products, office supplies, and on and on.

Survival of the fittest is the only rule we need kind of like the dinosaurs before the climate change they overlooked. Dog eat dog. Rules, who needs them? Certainly not Republicans who gerrymander districts to their advantage; no rules against that. Republicans surely don't need the stupid rules of the electoral college, they can win through their own brilliance and charisma despite the numbers. Throw all the rules out; hell, they're all crooked Hillary's doing. No rules, no taxes, no safety nets; just pure unadulterated macho man. Good idea. Take care. Vern

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njc wrote:

Apple just paid 38 Billion dollars in taxes in anticipation of bringing 350 Billion back from overseas, where it was parked to protect it from a double-taxation regime inflicted by no other industrial country.

The first lie which comes from Trump's version of the announcement is that it's not 350 billion, rather around 250 billion. Yeah, that's a lot of money, but there was nothing in Apple's announcement that it would spend that money in the U.S. It doesn't need that money for any foreseeable U.S. investments.

The second lie in Trump's version is that Apple did not need the tax change to park that money in the U.S. They would not have to pay the tax until the money was spent which is probably no time soon since as stated they have enough U.S. generated profit to cover their needs. No spending, no taxes.

I've stated this in other forums, but I'll say it again here that if the Republicans or Democrats want to reduce the taxes on business, it is a simple solution. Do away with the business tax totally instead of playing their sham game. Change the code so that any profit must be passed on to individuals whether owners, stockholders, or employees. A certain percentage could be set aside for future funding of research or capital needs, but even that must be used within a reasonable time say ten years. Any additional needs beyond that could be funded by standard means of borrowing or bringing in more investors.

But politicians of either stripe won't make such a simple change to the tax code because the wealthy donors would then have to pay fair taxes on what they can now avoid and couldn't cry all the way to the bank about unfair business taxes. And the beat goes on. Take care. Vern

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Nobody is arguing against basic safety regulations.  But regulation goes far beyond basic safety, and sometimes becomes un-safety (when, for instance, the feds say I can have a defogger, but not a true defroster, for my windshield--move the DoD to International Falls, Minn.).  And sometimes it is captured by special interests, as with the EPA and the WOTUS rule that would have let them regulate puddles in your yard.  Look up the Sackett case.  It reached SCOTUS and one of the most liberal justces said, "I can't believe this is happening in the US."  He said that to the EPA's lawyer.

The government lost, 9-0.

Or take the so-called renewable fuel standard, that puts 1/3 of America's corn crop into our gas tanks, lowering mileage to no improvement in air quality.  (Oxygenates were introduced into the gasoline supply to fool engine controls into running a bit richer, but cars from the past five or ten years aren't affected and don't need it.)  This drives up food prices for everyone, which hurts the poor most of all, and especially hurts the people of Mexico, who get most of their from the US.  When the ethanol mandate was extended and expanded, Mexico complained--and I think they had a good point.

Alexis de Toqueville noted that in his day the US didn't need pyblic assistance because private 'charity' took care of things.  But the government has helped to drive most of those organizations out of that businesd.  Not self-dependence.  Not community aid.  Government dependence.

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I'll agree with you on getting rid of the business tax.  But try and convince Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi to go along with it.

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Even if Apple doesn't spend the money, it will be in the US financial system, and thus available to the investment markets, whether equity, paper, or business loans.  Failing to undersand that 'saving' is more than burying money under a stone in the garden was one of the big mistakes that Keynes made.

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njc wrote:

I'll agree with you on getting rid of the business tax.  But try and convince Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi to go along with it.

They're about as likely to go along with it as Ryan and McConnell are to let it come to light. Not going to happen unless by some miracle they impose term limits to take the preponderance of donor money out of the equation. Until then, the Republicans are only whistling at dogs about being concerned about over-taxation of business. Take care. Vern

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Ryan received a $500K donation from the Koch Brothers a few days after passing tax reform.

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Contribution of what sort, for what purpose?

The press uses 'Koch brothers' the way 1984's government used 'Emmanuel Goldstein'.  They never mention George Soros, whose fortune produces interest equal to all the Koch wealth, and who pours the money into anything that will help undermine the modern nation-state.  And while the Koch's run productive industries, Soros has built his fortune on currency trading, taking advantage of instabilities in the fortunes of nations

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Remember, the majority ownership of many large companies lies in the hands of shareholders.  Some of that may be sovereign wealth funds, which may be subject to foreign investment laws.  But much is owned by small shareholders, mostly in the form of retirement savings.

http://victorygirlsblog.com/idiot-ca-le … ate-video/   Read the whole thing for the cappers at the end.

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It looks like the Democrats like government power more than they hate Trump: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/liber … le/2646052   Of course, given the rumors of FBI abuses soon to be revealed, and the FBI's failure to keep records of anti-Trump communication in their ranks, this might be expected.

Look for disclosures as this year's campaigns ramp up.

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njc wrote:

It looks like the Democrats like government power more than they hate Trump: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/liber … le/2646052   Of course, given the rumors of FBI abuses soon to be revealed, and the FBI's failure to keep records of anti-Trump communication in their ranks, this might be expected.

Look for disclosures as this year's campaigns ramp up.

I would say it is not only the Dems who "hate" Trump, a lot of Pubs just won't admit it on record now that he is president. That goes to show they like power as much or more than the Dems. Right now the Pubs have almost absolute power and they have demonstrated the effects of that. There should be some type provision that any law must have bipartisan support so they would be forced to compromise when needed. Furthermore, once this stupid shutdown is solved, they should unanimously pass a law that from this point on every bill must pass on it's own merit and not tied to something else just to get the votes to pass something that won't pass on it's own merit. And then they should all freaking resign. Take care. Vern

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Remembering how we got here, where we came from, and where we want to go.

Opinions

Without immigration, America will stagnate

By Fred Hiatt  January 28 at 7:11 PM
Message to Republicans: You can be pro-growth. You can be anti-immigration. But, honestly, you can't be both.

Now, within the immigration debate, there are a lot of questions with no obvious right answers.

What's the right balance of immigrants admitted for their skills and those allowed in because they have relatives here?

How much effort should be devoted to tracking down the undocumented, and how much to punishing companies that hire them?

What should we do about the millions of immigrants who came here illegally a decade or more ago and have become established members of their communities?

And—what is the right number of legal immigrants every year from now on?

Big, complicated questions—which is why Congress shouldn't try to solve them all between now and Feb. 8, its self-imposed deadline for resolving the issue of the "dreamers." In the few days that remain, the best it could do would be to, well, resolve the issue of the dreamers—the undocumented immigrants who were brought here as young children through no fault of their own, who obey the law and who go to school or work or serve in the military.

They are American in all but legal status. Give them a path to citizenship, as President Trump has proposed. Give Trump the money for his wall (until he gets that check from Mexico). Punt on the big, complicated questions, something Congress certainly knows how to do. Everyone declares victory, and the government doesn't shut down.

Of course, that would leave us still facing the big questions. Ideally, Congress would schedule a serious debate on them for the spring. Ideally, it would be conducted in a constructive spirit—acknowledging, for example, that reasonable people can disagree on skills vs. family.

But ideally, also, it would also be conducted with an understanding that those who favor a drastic, absolute drop in the level of immigration, as many Republicans do, would be making a choice about America's future.

They would be turning us into Japan.

Now, to be clear, Japan is a wondrous nation, with an ancient, complex culture, welcoming people, innovative industry—a great deal to teach the world.

But Japan also is a country that admits few immigrants—and, as a result, it is an aging, shrinking nation. By 2030, more than half the country will be over age 50. By 2050 there will be more than three times as many old people (65 and over) as children (14and under). Already, deaths substantially outnumber births. Its population of 127 million is forecast to shrink by a third over the next half-century.

Japan is a pioneer and an extreme version of where much of the First World is headed as longevity increases and fertility declines. The likely consequences are slower economic growth, reduced innovation, labor shortages and huge pressure on pensions. If you think our entitlement politics are fraught, think about this: In Japan in 2050, the old-age dependency ratio—the number of people 65and over as a percentage of the number who are 15 to 64—is projected to be 71.2 percent.

The comparable figure for the United States is 36.4 percent, up from 25.7 percent in 2020. Still high, but if it proves manageable, we will have immigration to thank. America still attracts dynamic, hard-working people from around the world, and they and their offspring help keep our population and our economy growing, as recent Pew Research Center and International Monetary Fund papers explain.

The wave of immigration over the past half-century also has changed the face of the nation, reducing the share of the white population from what it would have been and increasing the share of Asians and Hispanics. It's not surprising that some people find this disorienting.

But as so often with such debates, perceptions lag reality. Nearly half (48 percent) of immigrants these days have college degrees, as a fact sheet from the Migration Policy Institute last year showed. A quarter of technology company start-ups between 2008 and 2012 included at least one foreign-born founder. As incomes and education levels rise around the world, in other words, the skills mix of U.S. immigration is already changing, without any changes in our laws.

Here's the bottom line: I think we should remain open to immigrants because it's part of who we are as a nation, because every generation of newcomers—even, or maybe especially, the ones who come with nothing but moxie and a tolerance for risk—has enriched and improved us.

But you don't have to buy into any of that Statue of Liberty stuff to favor immigration, because naked self-interest leads to the very same conclusion. A vote to choke off immigration is a vote for stagnation and decline.

Memphis Trace

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Roll back the specter of punitive regulation and watch what happens.  My prediction: breaking 3.3% in both 018 and 019.

And the GOP isn't anti-immigration.  They are anti-ILLEGAL immigration, and want immigrants prepared to be productive Americans, rather than people who will come here 'for a better life' but try to recreate the ilth-full societies they've left.

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njc wrote:

Roll back the specter of punitive regulation and watch what happens.  My prediction: breaking 3.3% in both 018 and 019.

To give you a little perspective on what President Trump will say in his first SOTU tonight:
The truth about the Trump economy, explained

Insofar as your rosy prediction about the growth of the economy, this from the article:
More broadly, whether you want to characterize current economic trends as fantastic or terrible (I prefer, “They’re okay”), they simply aren’t very different from the trends we saw under Obama. In the fourth quarter of 2017, the economy grew 2.5 percent relative to where it had been a year ago. That’s better than what we saw in 2016 or 2015 but worse than what we got in 2014 and 2013. It’s also considerably lower than the 3 percent average annual growth he promised in his official budget submission, which in turn was lower than the 4 percent average annual growth he touted on the campaign trail. It’s also slightly worse than Canada or Mexico did last year.

njc wrote:

And the GOP isn't anti-immigration.  They are anti-ILLEGAL immigration, and want immigrants prepared to be productive Americans, rather than people who will come here 'for a better life' but try to recreate the ilth-full societies they've left.

Illegal immigrants are more than prepared to be productive:
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Over $11 Billion to Our Economy Each Year.
Altogether, according to the state and local tax data analysis—published by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)—undocumented immigrants contribute about $11.6 billion to the economy annually, including nearly $7 billion in sales and excise taxes and $3.6 billion in property taxes. They are, in economic terms, productive citizens, and pay a higher effective tax rate than the top 1 percent income bracket. That alone is not the primary reason they should be embraced as neighbors and coworkers. But it dissolves the myth that immigrants do nothing but drain public coffers.

&

Similarly, we know immigration enforcement is a huge drain on the federal budget, but that’s not the problem of the undocumented so much as it is an issue of irrational priorities, according to reform advocates. Consider the billions spent on enforcement, including checkpoints and electronic surveillance, Border Patrol personnel and weaponry, and private prison contractors commissioned to run dungeonlike detention centers.

Now imagine if that funding were redeployed in legal services or rehabilitation for refugee families.

Another potential ramification of regularizing the status of over 11 million people is that it would help dismantle a two-tier labor structure that enables exploitation of and discrimination against immigrants. Along with facilitating abuse of unauthorized workers, the systematic alienation of the “foreign-born” workforce abets the trafficking of temporary “guest workers” imported by low-wage employers.

Memphis Trace

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Others disagree.  I'll chase down an analysis from a different source, who believes that the changes in business climate are only beginning to be felt.

Amywsy, we'll see what happens in a year.  I remind you, though, that conservatives have a much better track record on predictions.

Oh, and on money spent on refugees, you're neglecting perverse incentives, which law, economics, and the insurance business term 'moral hazard'.

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As to illegal immigrants being good guys and not bad, they are represented as sex offenders out of proportion to their numbers.  And rhey include MS-13 members.