1 (edited by Marilyn Johnson 2017-03-27 13:55:43)

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Am I the only one on here who usually gets no response for reviews?  I don't want accolades, just an acknowledgment that the half hour I spent reviewing their work didn't go unnoticed.  Just a nice 'thank you for your time' would be great.  That's how we all learn.  I know my writing improved in more ways than one when I joined, and I continue to learn from each of you.  I appreciate every comment.  Just wondering if I am the only one who feels this way???  Almost makes me want to stop reviewing for unappreciative writers.

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I thought that was the Prime Directive at tnbw. I remember learning right off the bat (excuse the mixed metaphors; it's early and I haven't had my coffee) ALWAYS RESPOND; ALWAYS SAY THANK YOU. Even if you don't agree with the review, which would be a ridiculous waste of free help. Think what it costs to hire an editor! At least be gracious enough to show appreciation for the time the reviewer spent reading and thinking about your work.
In my opinion, anyone who can't be bothered to respond to a review is saying he/she doesn't care. Give them what they're asking for--don't bother to review their work. There are plenty of writers around who do appreciate a reviewer's help.

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I agree, J. P.  It's one of the first things I learned when I joined.  You don't have to agree with your reviewer, but it would be nice if you at least gave a thank you to acknowledge you read the review.

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j p lundstrom wrote:

...In my opinion, anyone who can't be bothered to respond to a review is saying he/she doesn't care. Give them what they're asking for--don't bother to review their work. There are plenty of writers around who do appreciate a reviewer's help.

True. I've always assumed (learned from experience) that the absence of a response to a review is the time honoured tNBW way for the author to say -- "thanks, but no thanks; please don't bother to review my work again" -- without necessitating a confrontation.

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I can't ever imagine myself not responding to a review. Even if you really don't like the review, you have to respond. Face it, there will be people who don't like your article/chapter/poem/whatever and that's a fact of life. Not acknowledging it is simply rude.

Bill

6 (edited by vern 2017-03-27 16:10:10)

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Once upon a time, if you didn't respond to a review, then you couldn't post any writing until you did, but I don't know if that is still the case. Actually, I'm sure it is not since I have done a review which has not been responded to in quite some time and the author has definitely posted again. So, I suppose, that is my way of saying that the more things "improve" the worse they get in some situations. One thing is perfectly clear from my perspective, if an author doesn't respond within a reasonable time and they are clearly still on site and posting (not out sick or dead), they will absolutely get no further reviews from this perhaps not so politically correct reviewer. Take care. Vern

Edited to add PS: BTW, ignorance of not knowing you have a review you haven't responded to is no excuse since all you have to do is look at your list of reviews if you've been absent for a while and it will tell you if you have responded or not. AND not knowing that option is not an acceptable excuse either.

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I'm with Vern. Call me an old biddy, but if I don't get a response, they don't get another review! There are plenty of writers here that appreciate the time readers put in reviewing their work. I know I do!

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Agree people should return reviews. I know sometimes, things get in the way. When that happens to me, I send a note letting the person know I haven't forgotten them and will catch up as quickly as I can.

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Randall Krzak wrote:

Agree people should return reviews. I know sometimes, things get in the way. When that happens to me, I send a note letting the person know I haven't forgotten them and will catch up as quickly as I can.

Randy, that is a response. These folks aren't even talking about reciprocating. They're talking about not even acknowledging the time it takes to do an adequate review. We still have to review to earn points to post in points groups (which all of them should be.) I'm with vern and Ann--treat me like I don't exist, and I won't review you again. "Thanks for the read" is all it takes.

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I think we should go back to the old way of having to acknowledge reviews before being able to post something new.

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Marilyn Johnson wrote:

I think we should go back to the old way of having to acknowledge reviews before being able to post something new.

That method was foolproof. It was a part of what built an interactive community back then. But that was different times, different people and this is a different site.

The new site seems more about 'self' than community. That's how it pans out, because that's what people want and you cant argue with that. Old friends and known associates aside, reviewing on tNBW has changed. Many reviewers employ subjectivity over objectivity and many writers will accept nothing other than gushing adoration about their writing when a true and honest edititing session would rip their delusion a new one. Many writers are not mature enough within the craft or don't have the personality that can accept honest objective critique and editorial advice.

These people are not ready for your time/effort and therefore I think that not replying to, or withholding a respone to a reveiw by a precious author is a wonderful mechanism. It quickly and painlessly eliminates those whom don't want your reviews, allowing you to concentrate upon those who do, without fuss or confrontation.

It also allows you to drop reviewers whose advice you don't solicit, respect or agree with.

In this time and place, I think the abstainence or non-reply to reviews feature is excellent.

There is no place for a foolproof mechanisim within a ship of fools.

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Before we go that far, what about a count of unreplied reviews on the main page?

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Mine is only a personal opinion BTW.

What do I know? I am of tNBW past, not tNBW present.

14 (edited by njc 2017-03-28 09:09:14)

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From time to time I find I've missed a review in a flurry.  A reminded would be enough for me.

What happens if I'm getting ready to paste a chapter in when a review comes in?  Does the paste fail?  Does the chapter refuse to update because of one--or several--reviews that come in just at that moment?  What if I'm running on a laptop with a limited battery runtime?

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njc wrote:

From time to time I find I've missed a review in a flurry.  A reminded would be enough for me.

What happens if I'm getting ready to paste a chapter in when a review comes in?  Does the paste fail?  Does the chapter refuse to update because of one--or several--reviews that come in just at that moment?  What if I'm running on a laptop with a limited battery runtime?

What happens? Give us the context. Are these scenarios based within a community of 'community' or a community of 'self' ?

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njc wrote:

From time to time I find I've missed a review in a flurry.  A reminded would be enough for me.

What happens if I'm getting ready to paste a chapter in when a review comes in?  Does the paste fail?  Does the chapter refuse to update because of one--or several--reviews that come in just at that moment?  What if I'm running on a laptop with a limited battery runtime?

There was/should be a time lapse to avoid such scenarios as you state. I don't recall the time differential, but I think something along the order of three days or a week even should be plenty of time to respond; however, that's just me and the exact timing isn't really the point. If one couldn't post a chapter or whatever because of not responding to a review, then all they would have to do is respond; I mean how long does it take and would another instantaneous posting be that critical (to ignore a review) in the grand scheme of things. To each their own; I've solved the dilemma to my satisfaction as stated previously. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:

Mine is only a personal opinion BTW.

What do I know? I am of tNBW past, not tNBW present.


Dill, I have to agree with your comment about this is a different time and site. My philosophy has always been 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it.' 

Comradery is a bond created by a shared experience, a feeling of trust--you don't have to be best friends with everyone in the group to know you have their support.  That's what I miss most about the old site, the ease with which we bantered with each other.  Too many of the regulars from that period have slipped into oblivion, unfortunately.  We still have a handful of oldies here, but the group parings make it more of a door you must open and close behind you, then go on down the hall to the next group and open and close that door.  Just my opinion.

My no-response-received rate is running about 40%. I consider that high.  (Or maybe I just need to get high so it doesn't bother me--hahaha!)

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I may spend two hours on either a review or a reply.

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njc wrote:

I may spend two hours on either a review or a reply.

When you spend that kind of time offering your comments and suggestions with explanations and still get no response, that's when you feel like throwing your hands up and filling the air with expletives!  (It works for me!)

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vern wrote:

Once upon a time, if you didn't respond to a review, then you couldn't post any writing until you did, but I don't know if that is still the case.

I think that would be a good and simple feature. If I get no reply or recip for reviews I've given, I may do another review to let them know I'm interested in their feedback. However, after that I can take a hint and move on. I almost always get a reply, except from new members who don't know the process.

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Ok. We can look into adding that feature back. I wanted to remove some of the coercive features of the old site but people seemed to like them.

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I'm normally very good about getting back to people. Not only is it the right thing to do, it also helps a reviewer to know what kind of feedback you find helpful. Also to let them know how much you appreciate their time and attention to the help they are giving you.
Though I now find myself really behind, do to personal overcommitments, ridiculous deadlines at work, college submissions and scholarship searches for a graduating daughter, etc. I'm now trying to catch up.
I also spend a lot of time on both review and reply- which may also contribute to the reasons why I've found myself so far behind. 
Rest assured, I'm working on it now!

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SolN wrote:

Ok. We can look into adding that feature back. I wanted to remove some of the coercive features of the old site but people seemed to like them.

Sol,
It's not like people aren't getting something for reviewing, they are getting points. Plus the writer didn't ask them specifically to read their work. I don't think it's productive to penalize people just because they lack good manners, especially when the reviewer holds all the cards, they get points and can decide not to re-review if that writer doesn't acknowledge their first review.
And where does it stop? What if members think a simple thank you is insufficient? Will readers then not be allowed to post if they only say thank you?
And finally, five or six people in a forum does not a majority make. Before you make rules that effect everyone maybe you should get feedback from the whole site.
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How many people fail to reply to reviews? Is it a large number? And if they do forget/decline to do so, the reviewer currently has the choice to move on. It would probably help new members learn the ropes, though.

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SolN wrote:

Ok. We can look into adding that feature back. I wanted to remove some of the coercive features of the old site but people seemed to like them.

I feel that if the system were able to remind the reviewed author to kindly consider a reply to the reviewer out of courtesy, after say 10 or 14 days without a reply... then this would cover the forgetful and those with limited laptop battery lifetime, whilst allowing the strategic non-respondents to make their 'please don't review me again' point. It might (a long shot) also keep the democratic antagonists as happy as their habitual smile icons would suggest they already are?