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In the direct democracy of free-enterprise capitalism, the ticket purchasing movie-theatre-goer is more equal than others, if only, at least, for the divvying up of profits to those directly connected to the movie rather than to those farther downstream. There are indeed two issues in maximizing profits - the second being irrelevant to this discussion and the first being the initial marketing puts people in seats for the opening weekend, and TET had a poor opening weekend, but the audience picked up, then leveled off. The word of mouth effect might have initially been good but never escalated. It neither fit those who wanted more cerebral or those who wanted more lightness. It certainly is a movie that is trying very hard to please everyone but pleased no one in the details of what makes a good, better-than-average movie because the script/theme/action/dialogue is everywhere at the same time. It is a poorly written and utterly unoriginal. In the country that invented the American "film", the movie, the U.S. ticket-purchasing movie-goer is the most discriminating in the world, not for any artistic reason -- that is the "film" -- but for American cultural values.  Whatever was good in War of the Worlds (the Tom Cruise version in 2005) as a family movie, supporting family values, more so than in the original, was completely absent in TET. The initial marketing for WoW was vastly easier than for TET, but it soared to a summer blockbuster because it contained underlying American values. Some have have suggested that TET is an analogy to the muslim alien invasion of Europe centered in France which can only be stopped by Anglo-American greatness in the face of adversity. If that were true, few could realize it in the thick, discombobulated plotline, and certainly no Hollywood personage is going to promote it. Moreover, the foreign audience and downstream American audience is too obtuse to pick up on that message, and the theatre-going audience is not wanting to look for that, unlike as for 300, for example, and more obviously American Sniper and 13 Hours while, of course, Hollywood distances itself from admitting to messaging in that way.

Good advice, Jack! Good to see you around btw:)

I think the release or 'opening run in America' figures meant something back in the days when the movie theatre was the only place on earth that you could see the film. It became a less relevant factor when the 'home' cinema, VHS tapes and then DVD markets opened up. Less again when cinema became 'global' with movies being released at different dates in different countries and continents and completely pointless now that movies can be downloaded via Netflix, Amazon, and iTunes type of services.

In these times, we tend to consider movies as they are released and decide if the title is worth a cinema trip or whether a wait of a couple of months until the DVD or download is in order.  Our 65" Sony Smart TV with Bose sound is a big factor in those decisions nowadays. 

Books I recall, used to be similar (at least here in the UK, I don't know about the US), where the first release run was always the hardback format with the paperback release following some months later. I remember queuing through the night as a young man at Foyles Bookshop in Charing Cross Road for the release of John le Carré's 'A Perfect Spy.' Years later my eldest daughter queued through the night several times as a teenager for Harry Potter releases. The only way you could get your hands on the novel at release date, was hardback from a bookshop. Speed and availability of media transfer via the Internet in conjunction with counterfeiters has killed that tradition. Nowadays I simply bang a pre-order into Amazon and the book of my choice is delivered to my door on release day. I do miss the thrill of the bookshop.

Like it or not; understand it or not, NYT bestseller lists are composed from hardback sales, and the success of movies is determined by first-run theatre sales.  The reason is related to the fact that Amazon "reviews" are useless and the perishability of Kindle books. The time will tell factor is only important to historians and bean counters.

If you have no evidence just say it. People make shit up to suit their purpose all of the time. Because, as Abraham Lincoln is reported to have said; ‘You can fool most of the people most of the time...’

If this movie failed to meet the expectations of the industry during its opening run, explicitly and entirely due to a poor script as you state within your reply to the opener of this thread, then there would be specific references to issues regarding the problem script of ‘Edge of Tomorrow’ plastered all over the Internet from here to eternity.

There is not.   

One can listen to the script as it is performed within the movie and it doesn't sound bad at all. One can download the script in PDF format and it doesn't read badly.     

I think you are a bullshit artist whose first instinct it is to make up a lie in order to support your opinion or agenda via exerting a manipulating influence upon people you consider to be inferior and dumb.  Many people in this world don’t care and are happy to suck up to any outrageous bullshit they are fed, take it as law. Truth fabrication; it was the trade of Joseph Goebbels, has been the trade of religions since the first bullshitter was born and is the principle by which governments, politicians, corporates, the news media, public relations organisations, marketing organisations and independent narcissistic individuals thrive. It is their principle material, their stock in trade.

I’m not your patsy, Charles. You need to understand that. I am not most of the people most of the time. I am simply a deteriorating dog soldier with shrapnel in my head where the sense should be. I close my eyes and I can taste blood and cordite. I hear screams and my head swims in a vile swirl of betrayal, treachery and injustice that has consumed most of my life and all of my soul. I have come to know there are but a few true human values or virtues. These are honesty, honour, kindness and loyalty and they are the only things that make life worthwhile. Without truth where are we? We are lost and truth is becoming rarer and more suppressed than ever. It is routinely disguised and destroyed just like ISIS dynamites the Temple of Bel ruins in Palmyra because the truth of it doesn’t fit the fiction of their religion.

I am many things and most of them wanting or substandard and to many I am considered dumb. That is, as it may be, but please remember that I’m not your patsy.

The sad thing is that if you had a genuine point to make, with a little effort you could have dug up and cited plenty of real-life examples where a poor script is actually reported to have ruined a movie. Instead of that you instinctively troop out an untruth. For convenience sake you swap real-life for a real lie. But what was once called propaganda has been refurbished. It has endured a makeover and is called ‘spin’ nowadays. Spin is a precious and highly regarded and rewarded modern day skill.

You would have me look like a fool, an inferior, and this for using the Internet for research. For using Google in order to check facts and thereby uncover your lie. 

Good for you. Hail the Spinmiester. You are perfectly equipped for this modern society and will thrive. Perfectly dishonourable.

Me, I’m in the beleaguered and despised minority and I’m finished. I know that. I’m sure that you and yours will see to that. But I’m still not your patsy.

Ask not for whom the Bells of the world troll, they troll for thee.

I appreciate your taking the time Mr. Carver to expose him, once again, for what he is.

Memphis Trace

Yes, but you were under the threat of explosive bat attack from the Imperial Japanese Army at the time.

Nowadays, in the 21st century it is considered correct and honorable (good practice and decent protocol) to cite your sources when you quote researched material within your publication.

Throw your garbled thesaurus sourced insults and play the superior intellectual bully as much as you like. I'm dumb and your intellect holds no sway over me. In fact it makes you look to me like a ridiculous figure of fun.

Now then, you authoritatively stated here that the movie 'Edge of Tomorrow' failed entirely and specifically because of the script.

I say that it did not fail because of the script and in support of that opinion I give you an entire Internet's worth of evidence.

Would you please show us the evidence to back up your 'say so' statement that the script is considered responsible for the slow audience take up of this movie?

Thanks in advance.

This response stinks of a pathetic scramble to maintain your intellectual integrity in this thread without having to reveal that you have no source -- you are simply sharing your opinion. No one with an ounce of intelligence would believe that you have sources you're simply not sharing because you find the question proof of ignorance. You cite your sources when you have them -- readily, arrogantly, and expediently. You're not doing so in this case because you've been caught without a source. You know that, and you think that throwing out dim-witted insults and then spewing intellectual piety will distract people from your folly. No one is distracted.

Intellectual integrity means that if you make a claim and it's wholly opinion, you say so. If you're making a claim based on expert research or opinion, you cite your sources. Then everyone within the conversation can have a balanced view of the picture and develop their own conclusions. Ignorance is holing up in your moron cave and claiming that because you believe something, though you have absolutely no sources to back up your claim, everyone who disagrees is ignorant. And then calling said people names, like a twelve year old. Which is sadly the only source you've cited in this thread to date. And remarkably, that source is, as ever, you.

Good to see that you realize you conduct your intellectual conversations from a childish perspective though. That's the first step!

P.R.O.J.E.C.T.I.N.G.

Exactly the sort of thing that you would not understand: irony being both the purpose and method of farce - that the book is, as I announce in the tagline: a novel experience in serious farce. I use such language as something to be pointed out in contrast to the message of overall simplicity in everything spoken, read, and thought. But your being rather a simple thing is itself an argument in real life, and not in idealized fiction, against simplicity.

And it is an unnecessary complication of detail for Dil and Dagnee sticking their tongues out and whining that in spite of anything anyone might say, whether real (with sources fully annotated and verified) or imagined, they liked a particular crappy movie.

This I assume is some of your "more recent fiction writing" ?

A complete mystery thriller novel encapsulated within a single word? Brilliant. Breathtaking. A work of genius.

I was going to suggest to you a sequel called;

Where?

But shit, I've gone and done it. I've gone and written the entire 2nd novel for you!

How?

Blimey, I've done it again... written your trilogy.

DEFINITION:
farce
/färs/
noun
noun: farce; plural noun: farces

a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.

synonyms: slapstick comedy, slapstick, burlesque, vaudeville, buffoonery
"the stories approach farce"

antonyms: tragedy
•the genre of farce.

•an absurd event.
"the debate turned into a drunken farce"

synonyms: mockery, travesty, absurdity, sham, pretense, masquerade, charade, joke, waste of time; informal shambles 
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So, which definition of "farce" are you using? I see nothing comedic within your verbiage. Additionally, to modify farce with "serious" as you do, seems to negate the purpose of farce, but then most of your arguments seem to negate either your current position or a prior one. I would concede that your literary depiction could be in the "absurd event" or "waste of time" category, but then it would be doubtful you would make that assertion about it, so please enlighten me. Take care. Vern