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The allegations against Trump have to do with non-verbal sexual signalling, and that has a lot to do with Romance.

Can you name any human society that has survived on purely verbal affirmative consent?  If you cannot, then it is an experiment which may doom our society.  On those grounds, we should move slowly.

And if consent is not purely verbal, then there is room for mistake, misinterpretation, and poorly considered signalling based on the fascinations of power and prestige.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles F Bell wrote:

At which point, by action, the braggadocio, then and only then, becomes relevant.  But through the last 40 years of Trump's life, no such accusation ever came forward until three weeks before a Presidential election (and uncorroborated) - unlike for Bill Clinton, and, by the way, for Bill Cosby where all along through decades there had been some accusations of indecent conduct.

The assertion that nothing has shown up over the past 40 years until the current round being decried as politically motivated is simply incorrect as any reasonably competent research would show.

There is no research that anyone has competently accused Tump of sexual misconduct prior to this time when anyone can accuse him while shielded from suit for slander because of his candidacy..

vern wrote:

There is no defense for Trump or those who support him on this count. Take care. Vern

The defense is that he has not done anything wrong.

Your claim was that in referring to these what you describe as uncorroborated stories that "...  no such accusation ever came forward until three weeks before a Presidential election." My claim is that if you do a simple competent search, it will show clearly that there were numerous incidents prior to Trump's presidential candidacy, so therefore, the stories coming to light now are not the only ones and these current ones weren't recently fabricated because they were told to others long ago when the assaults happened. Now they may have been intimidated, traumatized, embarrassed, etc. at the time to stop them from going public, but that doesn't discredit them for coming forth now as concerned citizens and victims to dispute Trump's lies about it being merely locker room banter.

You saying Trump's defense is that he has done nothing wrong when he admits his sexual assault on tape is ludicrous. It's kind of like a kid - which his behavior and temperament resemble - saying they didn't eat the chocolate cake when it's smeared all over their face. Take care. Vern

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njc wrote:

The allegations against Trump have to do with non-verbal sexual signalling, and that has a lot to do with Romance.

Can you name any human society that has survived on purely verbal affirmative consent?  If you cannot, then it is an experiment which may doom our society.  On those grounds, we should move slowly.

And if consent is not purely verbal, then there is room for mistake, misinterpretation, and poorly considered signalling based on the fascinations of power and prestige.

What non-verbal signaling do you suppose he sees when he hasn't even met the women in general, yet says he can do anything with/to them because of his star power? He doesn't need any verbal or non-verbal consent because he is Donald Trump and accordingly his god-like status/power makes anything he does acceptable to every female on the planet. Simple question. If you have/had a beautiful wife/daughter/very-young-mother, would you trust Trump to be completely and helplessly alone with them? Or would you respect them enough to keep them out of his grubby little paws. Support Trump's admitted behavior? Give me a break. Take care. Vern

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Clearly he was speaking from the experience of women he had met, and there's a fair chance that they were in his orbit because of attraction to wealth and power.  He also has superb personal confidence and maybe some close-up charisma.  Yes, they are strengths/gifts that should not be abused.  Lead us not into temptation!

I would hope my wife/daughter/sister were self-aware enough to avoid fascination with wealth and power, and to control the messages they put out in response to it, just as I would hope my sons and brothers could avoid yielding to strong signals from women they didn't know, or didn't want to respond to.  But none of us has perfect self-control, and those who approach it may well be sociopaths.

I don't seek to whitewash Trump, but to understand.

The whole of Chesterton's collection The Secret of Father Brown is bracketed by a framing story, which can be summed up in a small part.

There are two ways of renouncing the devil ((he said)) and the difference is perhaps the deepest chasm in modern religion.  One is to have a horror of him because he is so far off; and the other is to have it because he is so near.  And no virtue and vice are so much divided as those two virtues.

It's one thing to condemn what you would never do, and another to condemn what you know you could do, given the circumstances and capacities.  It's one thing to condemn when you can't imagine the temptation, and another to condemn when you do understand it.

But this misses a point that may be more important.  Patton got into trouble for slapping a traumatized soldier.  I suspect Montgomery would never have done such a thing.  But who would you rather have in charge of your armies?  Hint: Patton was the one Allied commander the German General Staff feared.

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

The assertion that nothing has shown up over the past 40 years until the current round being decried as politically motivated is simply incorrect as any reasonably competent research would show.

There is no research that anyone has competently accused Tump of sexual misconduct prior to this time when anyone can accuse him while shielded from suit for slander because of his candidacy..

vern wrote:

There is no defense for Trump or those who support him on this count. Take care. Vern

The defense is that he has not done anything wrong.

Your claim was that in referring to these what you describe as uncorroborated stories that "...  no such accusation ever came forward until three weeks before a Presidential election." My claim is that if you do a simple competent search, it will show clearly that there were numerous incidents prior to Trump's presidential candidacy,


You can sit there in your underwear and robe making any number of claims which are completely false.


vern wrote:

You saying Trump's defense is that he has done nothing wrong when he admits his sexual assault on tape is ludicrous.

He isn't admitting to anything. He sounds to me like an old middle-aged man fabricating fish stories to impress a young man who is enjoying the fable as much as if it were the truth. That is locker room talk, at best exaggeration of what might have happened or fantasy of what might happen.

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corra wrote:
njc wrote:

Corra, even dance clubs would cease to function under strict verbal affirmative consent.

If the vast dance club business would actually crumble because men had to mind their manners, I'd be willing to forfeit the institution.

A transcript of our conversation follows, which I've taken the liberty of concluding for us both, as a means to save time. I have no intention of actually volleying with you on this topic. You are clearly of a mind which opposes my own, and I haven't the time to lead you tediously through common sense.

NJC: (paraphrased from above) Poor widdle Trumpy just didn't know how to get awound in this tough, tough world, and it's SO VEWY HARD to be a rich and powerful man. And that's why it's okay for him to grab "pussy" whenever he wants. The women obviously wanted it.

Corra: Women are not objects. Their existence in the room is not consent. Be sure that you have their consent, or keep your hands to yourself.

NJC: What about romance? What about LOVE, for the love of all humanity? WHAT ABOUT THE MEN AND THEIR NEEDS?

Corra: The allegations against Trump have nothing to do with romance.

NJC: I must put in a word for dance clubs.

Corra: Indeed, and that's a noble point. However, you seem to be entirely off topic. We were talking about your suggestion that Trump has a right to grope where he pleases because he has money.

NJC: Bananas wouldn't understand verbal consent. How would bananas ever procreate?

Corra: I see what I am up against here. Sir, bananas are a food item. They are a means to keep alive. They provide nutrients. Women are living creatures. If you see a banana in a bowl, and this is a banana you have purchased with your own money, you may take the banana, and you may eat it. If a woman is sitting near the banana bowl, you may not take her. She is a human being.

NJC: I like cheese. What if cheese is near the bowl?

Corra: You may eat the cheese.

Loving the Banana metaphor/innuendo but didn't get the cheese thing?

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This might help.

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Dill Carver wrote:
C J Driftwood wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:




We use 'You’re' as contraction of 'you are' and it is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing,  like welcome).

Your example, "Your" is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. 'Your' is always followed by a noun or gerund.

"Your" and 'You're' is not apples to apples.

You’re welcome!

Thank you ever so much for catching my typo, and the lesson in punctuation.

You are welcome. It was the very least I could do following you catching, my... erm... something, and the subsequent lesson you dispensed to me upon 'present or future tense' according to the law of snuck. I like to share and given that you'd taken the time to highlight what you perceived to be the errors of my ways; I thought it only right and proper to reciprocate, to act in the very same manner. The decent thing to do.

But you should know that your use of the word 'your' is not a "typo". You spelled it correctly. Neither was it a "lesson in punctuation" (which is quite different). it was just that you unknowingly employed the wrong word for the context. I guess it just snuck in there. A grammatical error, and a very common one at that.

You assume to know what my attempt was. As you assured me that you know the difference between your verb tenses, let me assure you, I know what a contraction is and how it is used. The use of “your” instead of “you’re” was a result of typing too fast and auto correct. It was a typo.
And my earlier post wasn’t about pointing out you don’t know your verb tenses. I’m sure you do. I was pointing out that your argument was flawed.
You say, in order to “actually hear someone say the word ‘snuck’, you’d need to ‘rent an American film like 'the Outlaw Josie Wales’. Then you go on to disrespect my state “Georgia” (the USA one) not being the (proper Georgia in Transcaucasia).

Then you came back and said you misremembered. Okay, then.
But then, you go on to say “Even Josie Wales don’t say ‘snuck’!!” There is an implied jab here. Maybe I'm too sensitive. Maybe it's because it is difficult to discern "tone" in a post; possibly as difficult as it is to recognize "intent."

All I did was point out, that in the example you provided, he was speaking in the present tense. You can’t speak to how he would use the past form of the verb "sneak", when all you had to go on was the present version. For all you know he may have used ‘snuck’ later in the movie.

Be that as it may, all your examples are to illustrate that those that use ‘snuck’ are backwards and illiterate.
You have a right to your opinion. I'm not saying you don't. But recognize, that it is only an opinion, with no more weight or truth than that of anyone else, and there is no reason to attack others on a personal level.

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njc wrote:

I would hope my wife/daughter/sister were self-aware enough to avoid fascination with wealth and power, and to control the messages they put out in response to it,

What good is your "hope" when you have strongly implied the female can't resist such power and thus there was really no consent from Bill's accusers/victims. You can't have it both ways unless of course you are a god like Trump living in two different fantasy worlds simultaneously. I would think your wife/daughter/sister/mother would deserve your protection to the best of your abilities from the likes of Trump above your powerless hope. Take care. Vern

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

There is no research that anyone has competently accused Tump of sexual misconduct prior to this time when anyone can accuse him while shielded from suit for slander because of his candidacy..



The defense is that he has not done anything wrong.

Your claim was that in referring to these what you describe as uncorroborated stories that "...  no such accusation ever came forward until three weeks before a Presidential election." My claim is that if you do a simple competent search, it will show clearly that there were numerous incidents prior to Trump's presidential candidacy,


You can sit there in your underwear and robe making any number of claims which are completely false.


vern wrote:

You saying Trump's defense is that he has done nothing wrong when he admits his sexual assault on tape is ludicrous.

He isn't admitting to anything. He sounds to me like an old middle-aged man fabricating fish stories to impress a young man who is enjoying the fable as much as if it were the truth. That is locker room talk, at best exaggeration of what might have happened or fantasy of what might happen.

Right! How could I be so blind. Trump is the second coming and his loyal subjects perceive his perfectness and worship at his perfect feet. He can do no wrong. May he lift you up in his righteous arms and bestow all his glory upon you. Take care. Vern

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corra wrote:

This might help.

Oh, now I get it. I get it good!

So good.

Here's one for your fruitbowl

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C J Driftwood wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
C J Driftwood wrote:

Thank you ever so much for catching my typo, and the lesson in punctuation.

You are welcome. It was the very least I could do following you catching, my... erm... something, and the subsequent lesson you dispensed to me upon 'present or future tense' according to the law of snuck. I like to share and given that you'd taken the time to highlight what you perceived to be the errors of my ways; I thought it only right and proper to reciprocate, to act in the very same manner. The decent thing to do.

But you should know that your use of the word 'your' is not a "typo". You spelled it correctly. Neither was it a "lesson in punctuation" (which is quite different). it was just that you unknowingly employed the wrong word for the context. I guess it just snuck in there. A grammatical error, and a very common one at that.

You assume to know what my attempt was. As you assured me that you know the difference between your verb tenses, let me assure you, I know what a contraction is and how it is used. The use of “your” instead of “you’re” was a result of typing too fast and auto correct. It was a typo.
And my earlier post wasn’t about pointing out you don’t know your verb tenses. I’m sure you do. I was pointing out that your argument was flawed.
You say, in order to “actually hear someone say the word ‘snuck’, you’d need to ‘rent an American film like 'the Outlaw Josie Wales’. Then you go on to disrespect my state “Georgia” (the USA one) not being the (proper Georgia in Transcaucasia).

Then you came back and said you misremembered. Okay, then.
But then, you go on to say “Even Josie Wales don’t say ‘snuck’!!” There is an implied jab here. Maybe I'm too sensitive. Maybe its because it is difficult to discern "tone" in a post; possibly as difficult as it is to recognize "intent."

All I did was point out, that in the example you provided, he was speaking in the present tense. You can’t speak to how he would use the past form of the verb "sneak", when all you had to go on was the present version. For all you know he may have used ‘snuck’ later in the movie.

Be that as it may, all your examples are to illustrate that those that use ‘snuck’ are backwards and illiterate.
You have a right to your opinion. I'm not saying you don't. But recognize, that it is only an opinion, with no more weight or truth than that of anyone else, and there is no reason to attack others on a personal level.

I don't know if you'll understand this, but I never thought that the word 'snuck' is a present/current tense word, nor did I suggest that it was interchangeable with any of the words within my example of script from a movie.

I think that position was clear from the preceding conversation within the thread.

And yet you pop up to haughtily inform me that the word 'snuck' is not a present/current tense word and that it wasn't interchangeable with any of the words within my example.

It's like one of those 'Doh!' moments.

You mentioned what you believed were errors or faults within my post. I replied in kind, mentioning what I perceived to be errors within your reply. Like for like, tit for tat and in the self-same manner.

You mention the errors in my post and that's all well and good. Fine and dandy.

I mention the errors within your reply post and that wounds you. A personal attack?

In the eleven or so years that I've been on tNBW I've experienced it over an again. Writers criticise other authors writing but get very upset if their own work is critiqued in the self-same manner.

You express an 'opinion', freely given, but another's opinion in reply, in the same context is not, what? Not Permissible? There was nothing personal in my replies, I merely pointed at your mistakes as you thought you had mine.

Onto the ‘Snuck’ insult;

If I, here in Ukraine, ex-Pat of leafy South East England, feel that the word 'snuck' sounds like a dumb word within my vocabulary, then that's because it does. I'm sure there are very many common or garden British/English words and expressions that would feel very odd and alien if used within the context of you own vocabulary. Cachinnate; piquant, indubitably, atrocious... et al.

You might say ‘want’ where I'd say ‘yearn’ or you’d ‘hate’ where I'd ‘loathe.’ Who knows?

Some of those words, or words like them, if uncommon within your daily language, them might make you think of something or give you a feeling. Let’s say for example that to a farmhand called Jed down in Turkey Creek, Evangeline, Louisiana the word ‘snuck’ is totally normal but he feels the word ‘indubitably’ to be stupid, dumb or daft. He rejects the word because it is alien to his vocabulary and it reminds him of a Jane Austen novel he once read to impress a gal, but secretly found pretentious (as many Americans find some British/English words and phrases).  Like I said, no problems there, and as a Brit, I wouldn’t be offended. Why would I be offended? It is just the way it is.  Jed finds the word ‘indubitably’ pretentious and daft. I bet that you’d have no problem whatsoever with that either? But hold on a minute, there’s Lord Charles Forsyth in Aston Abbotts, Buckinghamshire who with his middle-English RP (Received Pronunciation) finds the word ‘snuck’ a bit dumb sounding. That’s insulting and offensive? Just because his great, great grandfather burnt down the Washington White house or is there some other deep rooted give but can't take reflex?

The Georgia quip, it was nested in there for my dearly beloved friend in Atlanta within the state of Georgia USA. The country Georgia in the Caucasus is far superior when it comes to decent Churchkhela  and Kharcho. As a nation it has been around since 4BC but they don’t have a Eugenie Victoria Bonnie Blue Butler. Anyway, it’s not your Georgia anymore. The Chinese own it.

…which is my way of saying that I think you are getting upset for the sake of it.

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vern wrote:
njc wrote:

I would hope my wife/daughter/sister were self-aware enough to avoid fascination with wealth and power, and to control the messages they put out in response to it,

What good is your "hope" when you have strongly implied the female can't resist such power and thus there was really no consent from Bill's accusers/victims. You can't have it both ways unless of course you are a god like Trump living in two different fantasy worlds simultaneously. I would think your wife/daughter/sister/mother would deserve your protection to the best of your abilities from the likes of Trump above your powerless hope. Take care. Vern

Short answer: Hope is one of the spiritual virtues.

We all face challenges.  Some are ordinary, some extraordinary.  We're 'rational animals' or, as Jonathan Haidt puts it, passengers on elephants.  A few of us, perhaps, escape the complications that this brings.  A few of us are crushed by those complications.  Most of us move along making mistakes now and then, most of them small, a few of them big.

As to protection: Children deserve protection.  Adult relations deserve love (as suited to the individual), the best advice we can give, and the freedom to make mistakes.

What would your wife or 19-year-old daughter say if you 'forbade' her to interview with Trump, or Clinton, or a charismatic governor or mayor?  Isn't the freedom to make choices (and thus mistakes) central to feminism?

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Dill Carver wrote:

The Georgia quip, it was nested in there for my dearly beloved friend in Atlanta within the state of Georgia USA.

And that dearly beloved friend laughed when she saw it. wink

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njc wrote:

...  Patton got into trouble for slapping a traumatized soldier.  I suspect Montgomery would never have done such a thing.  But who would you rather have in charge of your armies?  Hint: Patton was the one Allied commander the German General Staff feared.

Patton was a hard charger. Montgomery tried to achieve objectives whilst conserving men and machines (his resources were scant and he hated unnecessary sacrifice of life). Patton had the more abundant resources and was less concerned with causalities. A different game, for him the end justified the means.

Who would you rather have in charge of your armies? Well it depends upon your position. If you are a front-line infantryman, or an armoured unit, you'd want Montgomery. You may be willing to risk your life for your country, but you don't want it thrown away as fuel on the fire of some General's bravado. I doubt anyone who is not liable to buy the farm and be in a body-bag by teatime would care. They'd want results over cost. Willing to lay down other people's lives for the cause and a quick win.   

The Germans feared Patton, but so did the Allies. Very much so. There are many theories surrounding his death.

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corra wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

The Georgia quip, it was nested in there for my dearly beloved friend in Atlanta within the state of Georgia USA.

And that dearly beloved friend laughed when she saw it. wink

Notice that I wrote 'nested' in the quip explanation and not 'snuck'?

I only just noticed it myself within your quote of my line and it is a real-time example of where a 'snuck' just doesn't come natural to me or pop-up into my mind as a choice. It is what it is.

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Dill Carver wrote:

Patton was a hard charger. Montgomery tried to achieve objectives whilst conserving men and machines (his resources were scant and he hated unnecessary sacrifice of life). Patton had the more abundant resources and was less concerned with causalities. A different game, for him the end justified the means.

Who would you rather have in charge of your armies? Well it depends upon your position. If you are a front-line infantryman, or an armoured unit, you'd want Montgomery. You may be willing to risk your life for your country, but you don't want it thrown away as fuel on the fire of some General's bravado. I doubt anyone who is not liable to buy the farm and be in a body-bag by teatime would care. They'd want results over cost. Willing to lay down other people's lives for the cause and a quick win.

And yet, Montgomery's methods lost more lives, per objective achieved, than Patton's.  So did Bradley's.

You're right on two points: Patton was hell on materiel, and he had a hard time accepting limited objectives.  For a different take, there's V. D. Hanson's The Soul of Battle.

Incidentally, I strongly recommend Goeffrey Perret's There's a War to be Won.

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njc wrote:

What would your wife or 19-year-old daughter say if you 'forbade' her to interview with Trump, or Clinton, or a charismatic governor or mayor?  Isn't the freedom to make choices (and thus mistakes) central to feminism?

I'm not the one saying the female doesn't have the sense and ability to say no in the "Oval Office", you are. Therefore I would never forbid them. I trust my wife/daughter and others to be able to turn around and kick the sob in the balls or worse for inappropriate behavior, not succumb to the power play you imply they can't resist. I assure you my wife and/or daughter would/can defend themselves in such a situation. So back to the question: Do you not think those women who consented to the advances of BC had the same freedom of consent as you purport your wife/daughter/etc. might have? Your previous statement certainly implies otherwise. Please clarify. Take care. Vern

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I didn't say the words you impute to me.  You feel you've represented my meaning fairly, but someone else can capture your writing and present the words as mine--just like Tina Fey's parody has been quoted as Sarah Palin's actual words.

As a matter of fairness and civility, I ask that you edit your article, replacing 'NJC' with 'You argue that' or some similar phase, so that your words are not presented as mine.

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njc wrote:

I didn't say the words you impute to me.  You feel you've represented my meaning fairly, but someone else can capture your writing and present the words as mine--just like Tina Fey's parody has been quoted as Sarah Palin's actual words.

As a matter of fairness and civility, I ask that you edit your article, replacing 'NJC' with 'You argue that' or some similar phase, so that your words are not presented as mine.

You have nothing to say about the several times I attacked your intelligence for no reason at all within my post? I only did that so I could tell you not to gong my bell when you protested. I had prepared a whole when in Rome argument, and everything. I was going to suggest that you admire my brilliant arguing tactics, which are only amplified by my personal attacks.

Those were gold mines, sir. You might have pointed them out as indicative of a weak argument.

I'll just delete the post. I thought it was obvious I was making up a pretend conversation, but I hadn't considered the way people skim within forums. I see your point, and apologize. I was serious on the points I made, but irreverent about my approach.

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Thank you.  And I appreciate your honorable apology.

I'm not looking to score points.  I'm looking to make them, and in this instance to show that damning human beings over human frailties isn't quite the simple thing that the politicians and their pundits make it out to be.

The worst sin is not lust, nor avarice, nor destructive envy.  It the kind of pride that says "Who are you to talk to me like that?" and "Laws are for other people."  This accusation may be leveled against both candidates in the presidential race.  We must choose between two deeply flawed candidates, based on their records, their intentions, and what we think the outcomes of each presidency would be.

We each have different criteria and processes by which we make this judgement.  Some of us focus on one issue, others look at a broader tapestry.  But if we are to retain a civil society, we must refuse to join the Alinsky-style demonization and retain our respect for each other.  Understanding is part of that respect.  Understanding requires communication.

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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:

Your claim was that in referring to these what you describe as uncorroborated stories that "...  no such accusation ever came forward until three weeks before a Presidential election." My claim is that if you do a simple competent search, it will show clearly that there were numerous incidents prior to Trump's presidential candidacy,


You can sit there in your underwear and robe making any number of claims which are completely false.


vern wrote:

You saying Trump's defense is that he has done nothing wrong when he admits his sexual assault on tape is ludicrous.

He isn't admitting to anything. He sounds to me like an old middle-aged man fabricating fish stories to impress a young man who is enjoying the fable as much as if it were the truth. That is locker room talk, at best exaggeration of what might have happened or fantasy of what might happen.

Right! How could I be so blind. Trump is the second coming and his loyal subjects perceive his perfectness and worship at his perfect feet. He can do no wrong. May he lift you up in his righteous arms and bestow all his glory upon you. Take care. Vern

It's not that Trump has always been right; it's that his political opposition of any Party has always been wrong.

A couple neglects to latch the bedroom door before engaging in vertical exercise, and their child walks in and sees everything.

GOP/DEM/LIB/GREEN/VERN : What an abuse of children! Why, we would never!

Trump: It's embarrassing, and one is regretful; mind your own effing business!

"A COUNTRY WITH NO BORDERS ISN'T A COUNTRY." 

That alone, spoken by no politician in the U.S. for generations, deserves him the Presidency.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

You can sit there in your underwear and robe making any number of claims which are completely false.




He isn't admitting to anything. He sounds to me like an old middle-aged man fabricating fish stories to impress a young man who is enjoying the fable as much as if it were the truth. That is locker room talk, at best exaggeration of what might have happened or fantasy of what might happen.

Right! How could I be so blind. Trump is the second coming and his loyal subjects perceive his perfectness and worship at his perfect feet. He can do no wrong. May he lift you up in his righteous arms and bestow all his glory upon you. Take care. Vern

It's not that Trump has always been right; it's that his political opposition of any Party has always been wrong.

A couple neglects to latch the bedroom door before engaging in vertical exercise, and their child walks in and sees everything.

GOP/DEM/LIB/GREEN/VERN : What an abuse of children! Why, we would never!

Trump: It's embarrassing, and one is regretful; mind your own effing business!

"A COUNTRY WITH NO BORDERS ISN'T A COUNTRY." 

That alone, spoken by no politician in the U.S. for generations, deserves him the Presidency.

You call that an argument/rebuttal? Geez. The blue stuff doesn't even make sense within any context of this discussion or possibly otherwise. And a country by definition has borders even if The Donald doesn't/can't see them. Building a wall around a country which serves no useful purpose is more of a prison than a natural border. For his stated purpose, the wall would have to be a sphere completely encompassing everything above, below, and around the country. Not going to happen and Trump knows that even if many of his duped supporters don't. Take care. Vern

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Dill Carver wrote:

within the context of you own vocabulary.

Did you mean your or you're? ;-)

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Have you ever sneaked a Snickers as a snack while snucking a pair sneakers?

What do I win?