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C J Driftwood wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

I am aware of that; thanks.  Reading the thread you may notice that I posted the dialogue exchange from the movie (above) to explain that somehow I remember or associate the word 'snuck' (a word which seems to have started as a North American colloquial expression and one that I don't hear that much here in England), with the old movie Josey Wales.

However, when out of interest, I pulled up the script for the scene I envisage when I hear the word 'snuck' I was surprised to find that the word 'snuck' doesn't actually feature within the passage of script that I assumed it did.

It has been more than a decade since I watched that movie.

I do understand the concept of tense within grammar, but thanks anyway.

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Dill Carver wrote:
C J Driftwood wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

I am aware of that; thanks.  Reading the thread you may notice that I posted the dialogue exchange from the movie (above) to explain that somehow I remember or associate the word 'snuck' (a word which seems to have started as a North American colloquial expression and one that I don't hear that much here in England), with the old movie Josey Wales.

However, when out of interest, I pulled up the script for the scene I envisage when I hear the word 'snuck' I was surprised to find that the word 'snuck' doesn't actually feature within the passage of script that I assumed it did.

It has been more than a decade since I watched that movie.

I do understand the concept of tense within grammar, but thanks anyway.

Your welcome.

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C J Driftwood wrote:

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

Dill Carver wrote:

I am aware of that; thanks....
...I do understand the concept of tense within grammar, but thanks anyway.

C J Driftwood wrote:

Your welcome.

We use 'You’re' as contraction of 'you are' and it is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing,  like welcome).

Your example, "Your" is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. 'Your' is always followed by a noun or gerund.

"Your" and 'You're' is not apples to apples.

You’re welcome!

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njc wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

'Snuck?' It's in there with the likes of; hound dawg, afeared, cuss, high-falutin, mom, gal, nohow, holler, yeehaw etc. etc.

These word 'belong' to different communities, but they have been borrowed.  Moreover, their meanings differ.  'cuss' as a verb does not have the same meaning as the noun in "He's a sour old cuss."

Exactly. My point was (that from within my European perspective), the type of character who would say 'snuck' would be the type of character who would also use words and expressions like; hound dawg, afeared, cuss, high-falutin, mom, gal, nohow, holler, yeehaw etc.

I thought that the word 'cuss' in the USA is a substitute for the word, 'curse' used elsewhere. It is confusing on an international front, because 'cuss' in the more celtic parts of Scotland and Ireland is how 'kiss' is pronounced. In those places,  "He's a sour old cuss." would translate to  "He's an old sourpuss." He may, or may not be cursed.

Re: Snuck vs Sneaked

Dill Carver wrote:
C J Driftwood wrote:

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

Dill Carver wrote:

I am aware of that; thanks....
...I do understand the concept of tense within grammar, but thanks anyway.

C J Driftwood wrote:

Your welcome.

We use 'You’re' as contraction of 'you are' and it is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing,  like welcome).

Your example, "Your" is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. 'Your' is always followed by a noun or gerund.

"Your" and 'You're' is not apples to apples.

You’re welcome!

Thank you ever so much for catching my typo, and the lesson in punctuation.

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Dill Carver wrote:
njc wrote:

These word 'belong' to different communities, but they have been borrowed.  Moreover, their meanings differ.  'cuss' as a verb does not have the same meaning as the noun in "He's a sour old cuss."

Exactly. My point was (that from within my European perspective), the type of character who would say 'snuck' would be the type of character who would also use words and expressions like; hound dawg, afeared, cuss, high-falutin, mom, gal, nohow, holler, yeehaw etc.

I thought that the word 'cuss' in the USA is a substitute for the word, 'curse' used elsewhere. It is confusing on an international front, because 'cuss' in the more celtic parts of Scotland and Ireland is how 'kiss' is pronounced. In those places,  "He's a sour old cuss." would translate to  "He's an old sourpuss." He may, or may not be cursed.

A 'sour old cuss' is a bit more sour than a mere sourpuss.

As to 'holler', do you mean it as 'bellow' or as as regional pronunciation of 'hollow' (used in the geographic sense)?  "His hollering filled the holler."

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C J Driftwood wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
C J Driftwood wrote:

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

Dill Carver wrote:

I am aware of that; thanks....
...I do understand the concept of tense within grammar, but thanks anyway.

C J Driftwood wrote:

Your welcome.

We use 'You’re' as contraction of 'you are' and it is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing,  like welcome).

Your example, "Your" is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. 'Your' is always followed by a noun or gerund.

"Your" and 'You're' is not apples to apples.

You’re welcome!

Thank you ever so much for catching my typo, and the lesson in punctuation.

You are welcome. It was the very least I could do following you catching, my... erm... something, and the subsequent lesson you dispensed to me upon 'present or future tense' according to the law of snuck. I like to share and given that you'd taken the time to highlight what you perceived to be the errors of my ways; I thought it only right and proper to reciprocate, to act in the very same manner. The decent thing to do.

But you should know that your use of the word 'your' is not a "typo". You spelled it correctly. Neither was it a "lesson in punctuation" (which is quite different). it was just that you unknowingly employed the wrong word for the context. I guess it just snuck in there. A grammatical error, and a very common one at that.

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njc wrote:

As to 'holler', do you mean it as 'bellow' or as as regional pronunciation of 'hollow' (used in the geographic sense)?  "His hollering filled the holler."

I think I meant 'holler'

holler
/ˈhɒlə/
informal
verb
verb: holler; 3rd person present: hollers; past tense: hollered; past participle: hollered; gerund or present participle: hollering
1.
give a loud shout or cry.
"‘I can't get down,’ she hollered"
synonyms: shout, yell, cry, cry out, call, call out, roar, howl, bellow, bawl, bark, shriek, scream, screech, bay, wail, whoop, boom, thunder, raise one's voice, call at the top of one's voice;
"he hollers when he wants feeding"
antonyms: whisper

noun
noun: holler; plural noun: hollers
1.
a loud cry or shout.
"the audience responded with whoops and hollers"

synonyms: shout, cry, yell, roar, howl, bellow, bawl, shriek, scream, screech, bay, wail, whoop; rarevociferation
"the audience responded with whoops and hollers"
antonyms: whisper
Origin •US

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Well, that's not particularly regional.  But when you talk about living down in the hollers where you have to pipe in the sunlight, then you're getting regional.

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corra wrote:

pc-approved bigotry

And there it is! Projecting. EVERY time.

man-hating, anti-white bigotry is now pc-approved bigotry, and because within that sphere -- which is the belief that "feminism" has had any political validity beyond coercion to take from some to give to others for two generations -- you are such a bigot, and any simple topic of discussion like "sneaked" vs. "snuck" has elicited here significantly the very same bigotry that created modern feminism to create official approval of "sneaked" and disapproval of "snuck" a century ago because only those people, those anti-feminist, traditionalist, Southern-U.S. people, use "snuck."

corra wrote:

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English, and on top of that he bluffs his way on purported facts that are his juvenile (or might it be senile?)  "mis-rememberings."

He was actually speaking to me in the last part you reference. Not you.

No, he can't be so in a public forum. I informed him that his entire contribution to the discussion was worthless because sneaked v.s snuck never came up in his Josey Wales example to demonstrate his bigotry.

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njc wrote:

Well, that's not particularly regional.  But when you talk about living down in the hollers where you have to pipe in the sunlight, then you're getting regional.

It's just a word, like snuck, that I don't hear that often, but when I do, I associate it with a certain kind of USA stereotype. I don't why, but guess that I've been conditioned by media; books, movies and music. There was a song with a tune and lyrics that became unwelcomely stuck in my head once... The title is "ain't no hollaback girl". I'd never seen the title written and when I googled the search i wrote;  [song, Holler back gal].

hollaback; as one word within a song title.  I guess that 'Hollaback' is now a word too?

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Well, it may not be fully compatible with 'latte' and 'mochacino' (have I spelled that right?) but it works just fine with 'gimee'.  And 'hoot and holler line' was telco slang for a phone that rang the other end as soon as you picked it up.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

....sneaked v.s snuck never came up in his Josey Wales example to demonstrate his bigotry.

Blimey, the bigotry bar in Chateau Charles (or is it the Bell tower?) is set pretty low. My mild irritation when people write 'your' when they actually mean 'you're' must blow the Bell bigotry threshold and make me a totalitarian oppressor up there with Kim Jong-un, albeit with a better haircut, but just as intolerant.

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Well, if you insist on pulling the Bell chain, you're going to get gonged.

Let it drop already.

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njc wrote:

Well, it may not be fully compatible with 'latte' and 'mochacino' (have I spelled that right?) but it works just fine with 'gimee'.  And 'hoot and holler line' was telco slang for a phone that rang the other end as soon as you picked it up.

'latte' and 'mochacino'  Arrrgh!! My pet hate is that all over the UK 'espresso' is routinely misspelled and mispronounced 'expresso'.  I don't know why it bothers me so, but it never fails to enrage the bigot within me. A case of a principle masquerading as a principal could fuel an extremely bigoted attack by me against the perpetrator.

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njc wrote:

Well, if you insist on pulling the Bell chain, you're going to get gonged.

Let it drop already.

Drop what? A clanger?

If Bell wants to take that tone with me and the Josey Wales, then bring it on. I'll have no one say that I snuck out.

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Dill Carver wrote:

'latte' and 'mochacino'  Arrrgh!! My pet hate is that all over the UK 'espresso' is routinely misspelled and mispronounced 'expresso'.  I don't know why it bothers me so, but it never fails to enrage the bigot within me. A case of a principle masquerading as a principal could fuel an extremely bigoted attack by me against the perpetrator.

I pronounce it 'demi-tasse' (final 'e' silent).

Dill Carver wrote:

If Bell wants to take that tone with me and the Josey Wales, then bring it on. I'll have no one say that I snuck out.

In the spirit of reviews, may I suggest 'slunk out'?

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njc wrote:

Well, if you insist on pulling the Bell chain, you're going to get gonged.

Let it drop already.

What is this "pull the Bell chain" thing? People within this thread were participating in a discussion about sneaked versus snuck. Dill expressed his opinion that people in the U.K. find the word "snuck" indicative of a low intellect among Americans. That's an observation. Charles crammed his head up his own ass again, and is currently attempting to conduct business from the great interior. Dill didn't create Charles's unfortunate position. We've all had to endure the talking head and its incoherent babbling. Observe that Charles has currently fallen off the cliff of reality and is little more than a pile of bones as we speak, sputtering about feminism and bigotry (his usual topics). This after mocking Gacela when he thought she was American, then retreating when he realized she wasn't. Now he's accusing Dill of what appears to be bigotry against white men -- a rather odd claim, but there you have it. I believe I am also being accused of something, however I've grown weary of attempting to decipher his line of thinking. He's backed himself into a corner again and is lashing out because he knows he's a complete fool, and he knows everyone else knows it, and he's too small-minded to pick himself up and recover gracefully. This is a pattern. We've all seen it over and over. Intelligent discussion here at the site quickly frays because poor little Charles with his Bell chain can't keep up. His only contribution within these forums is to gripe, to correct people's semi-colons from high, high, high on his high horse of stupidity, to mock people for their ideas, their way of speaking, their point of view, their perspective, their thoughts on history. Not in a constructive way, but in a way intended to elevate his own ego and make everyone who enters these forums feel as small as he actually is.

Dill expresses an opinion about the perspective of people in the UK (and himself) on the word "snuck", and THAT is pulling the chain? He was completely on topic! He's saying that the word carries a certain meaning outside America. That's valid within a writing discussion, and quite useful, actually. I may not agree that the word is stupid, but I can appreciate knowing that others might think it is. Aren't we writers? Don't we want to know this stuff? I do?

Charles has said countless odious things, and you say blithely, "He's so very intelligent. He deserves our respect." Dill says (within a discussion about sneaked versus snuck) that "snuck" carries a particular weight outside America. That's not a slam on anyone personally; it's an observation from a different perspective. Delivered light-heartedly. Anyone with a sense of self would have laughed and mocked him for saying Mum. (I don't think that word sounds at all intelligent. The word is Mom.) smile

Charles takes this as a personal offense rather than an observation, dresses it up with malevolent motivations, and declares Dill a bigot. To this you say, "Stop pulling Charlie's chain. Drop it!"

What is there to drop? Incredulity?

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I don't agree with all of Charles's conclusions, and he certainly has a way of being abrasive with them.  But it is a mistake to regard someone you think mistaken as an imbecile or idiot.  Disagree with Charles if you wish or must; I often do.  But he has shown me that he can handle sophisticated ideas.  I urge you to respect his gifts, even when you believe he misuses them.

We live in an age of what Berkeley Breathed (Bloom County) years ago labelled 'offensensitivity'.  Indeed, offensensitivity is considered a virtue by those who trumpet microaggressions and attribute any disagreement to bias.  This is a recipe for chain-reaction conflict.

There comes a time to say 'I disagree, but we're not going to convince each other,' to admit that no matter how wrong someone's opinions, that someone has a right to them.  Anything else perpetuates and amplifies the conflict.

(To have the right to do a thing is not the same as being right in doing it, as Chesterton pointed out.)

The alternatives to civility in online forums are flamewar and contempt.  I learned this back in the early 1980's, when usenet spread across the world, and offer that experience to you.

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Anything else perpetuates and amplifies the conflict.

Which you are currently illustrating?

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Always dogpile the peacemaker!

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Dill Carver wrote:
njc wrote:

Well, if you insist on pulling the Bell chain, you're going to get gonged.

Let it drop already.

Drop what? A clanger?

If Bell wants to take that tone with me and the Josey Wales, then bring it on. I'll have no one say that I snuck out.

The tone was invoked when you claimed:

Having distinct US colloquial origins, to a British/English ear the word 'snuck' evokes sensations of banjo music and hillbilly imagery.

This includes three false statements. (1) "snuck" is not a U.S. colloquialism; (2) just because British English evolved in some ways away from English spoken in the rest of the world does not make it the correct English; (3) evoking sensations... etc. is something a pretentious twat says.

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

....sneaked v.s snuck never came up in his Josey Wales example to demonstrate his bigotry.

Blimey, the bigotry bar in Chateau Charles (or is it the Bell tower?) is set pretty low. My mild irritation when people write 'your' when they actually mean 'you're' must blow the Bell bigotry threshold and make me a totalitarian oppressor up there with Kim Jong-un, albeit with a better haircut, but just as intolerant.

There is no need to correct anyone's grammar/punctuation on an internet forum in which proofreading is not requested unless the meaning is unclear. Doing so invariably means you have nothing else, or ever anything relevant, to say. Similarly, Corra's constantly carping her feminist messaging when she feels the need to do so is rude.

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corra wrote:
njc wrote:

Well, if you insist on pulling the Bell chain, you're going to get gonged.

Let it drop already.

What is this "pull the Bell chain" thing?

Perhaps, your contribution being "you've got your head up your ass."

A harpy is always annoying.


People within this thread were participating in a discussion about sneaked versus snuck. Dill expressed his opinion that people in the U.K. find the word "snuck" indicative of a low intellect among Americans. That's an observation.

No, it's flat out bigotry. There can be no observation of something that does not exist. This is no different than black skin, flat nose, and thick lips indicates low intelligence. Moreover, attributing his/your own bigoted opinion to everyone in the U.K. is typical of a bigot.


This after mocking Gacela when he thought she was American,

I never thought she was an American. I made a comparison between her absurdity (paraphrasing: that everyone should speak the same regular English) and another absurdity {"That Americans should have American names.") That she and you are irony-challenged should not have come as a surprise to me.

then retreating when he realized she wasn't. Now he's accusing Dill of what appears to be bigotry against white men -- a rather odd claim, but there you have it. I believe I am also being accused of something,

...That you and he speak politically-correct (antiwhite(ness) and feminist) bigotry in your opinions, and, again, that you and he don't even know what I am talking about should come as no surprise because, more or less, within the meaning of 'bigotry' is ignorance and under-powered IQ.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

There is no need to correct anyone's grammar/punctuation on an internet forum in which proofreading is not requested unless the meaning is unclear. Doing so invariably means you have nothing else, or ever anything relevant, to say. ....

Yes! And thank you for supporting me on this. The issue is even more irritating when the person who, from an authoritative standpoint, feels the need to need to correct your grammar/punctuation on said internet forum, but actually displays worse grammar/punctuation indiscretions within their critique upon your own lesser grammatical indiscretions.   

Unless of course, you feel that there is no need to correct anyones grammar/punctuation delivery within contributions to an internet forum thread that is discussing  the correctness of grammar/punctuation? In which case very confused discussion would ensue.