26 Reply by Dill Carver (edited by Dill Carver 2016-10-13 00:23:38)

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corra wrote:

I don't think it sounds at all pretentious to say "sneaked." But "snuck" also sounds perfectly normal to me. I've always heard that word. Meanwhile, my spell checker keeps underlining it as a misspell!

I have to rent an American film like 'the Outlaw Josie Wales' in order to actually hear someone say the word 'snuck' (great movie!). And according to my research, the speaker has to squirt some tobacco juice between the gap in their teeth onto a dawg immediately after uttering the word, snuck.   

In Georgia (the USA one, not proper Georgia in Transcaucasia), I've heard that even a sneak-thief can git snuck up upon.

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27 Reply by Dill Carver (edited by Dill Carver 2016-10-13 00:34:29)

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Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

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28 Reply by Charles_F_Bell (edited by Charles_F_Bell 2016-10-13 00:58:56)

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Mariana Reuter wrote:

If you meant my name, Mr Charles F. Bell, I'm not American.

Kiss

Gacela

No, of course not. I assume you are a foreigner.

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29 Reply by Charles_F_Bell (edited by Charles_F_Bell 2016-10-13 00:57:07)

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

The old-style Germanic is always a single, sharp syllable, and the alternative is a slippery one and half.

And, ahem...  Germanic is NOT always a single, sharp syllable, and the alternative is a slippery one and half.

Perhaps you could stay on the subject: Snuck v. sneaked; wept v. weeped; lit v. lighted

The O.E. (Germanic) derived forms not the later "revised" modern forms of these verbs have a single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more).

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Dill Carver wrote:

Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

Can you notice neither "sneaked" nor "snuck" is available to the reader in all this stuff you trot out here.

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Dill Carver wrote:
Mariana Reuter wrote:

If you meant my name, Mr Charles F. Bell, I'm not American.

Kiss

Gacela

To some Americans there is only America. The universe of America

To all Americans who are Americans, that is.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

Can you notice neither "sneaked" nor "snuck" is available to the reader in all this stuff you trot out here.

Can you notice that within the fog of my memory that I assumed or mis-remembered that the word snuck cropped up in a movie, but when I actually checked the script, to my surprise it actually did not? Is all.

Could you be more irrelevant or pointless?

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33 Reply by Dill Carver (edited by Dill Carver 2016-10-13 01:14:19)

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

The O.E. (Germanic) derived forms not the later "revised" modern forms of these verbs have a single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more).

I see. So within text and conversation you prefer to use the original Germanic derivatives like, angr for anger, flakka for flag, kaldaz for cold, kōuz for Cow, tækanan for undertake, prikojan for prick,  et al....

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Dill Carver wrote:

I have to rent an American film like 'the Outlaw Josie Wales' in order to actually hear someone say the word 'snuck'...

Aw! Here you go.

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jack the knife wrote:

Although "snuck" is now an accepted alternative to "sneaked," I'm old school and won't use it (in non-dialogue writing, anyway). Same goes for "alright" instead of "all right." Thanks for the link. Can you think of other examples of previously unacceptable words that have wormed their way into the lexicon?

Agree 100%

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

The old-style Germanic is always a single, sharp syllable, and the alternative is a slippery one and half.

And, ahem...  Germanic is NOT always a single, sharp syllable, and the alternative is a slippery one and half.

Perhaps you could stay on the subject: Snuck v. sneaked; wept v. weeped; lit v. lighted

The O.E. (Germanic) derived forms not the later "revised" modern forms of these verbs have a single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more).

The single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more) word that is sneikanan, the Germanic origin of the word sneak?

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Here is the foreigners view;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P0RpzzN5XY

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:
Mariana Reuter wrote:

If you meant my name, Mr Charles F. Bell, I'm not American.

Kiss

Gacela

To some Americans there is only America. The universe of America

To all Americans who are Americans, that is.

No, no, Charles. That's not America you see around you. That's your ass. You've gotten your head stuck up there again.

Americans are out here, in the fresh air.

(He's not snuck, but he is stuck!) lol

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39 Reply by corra (edited by corra 2016-10-13 02:06:25)

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

I assume you are a foreigner.

She's on the outside!

lol

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

The O.E. (Germanic) derived forms not the later "revised" modern forms of these verbs have a single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more).

I see. So within text and conversation you prefer to use the original Germanic derivatives like, angr for anger, flakka for flag, kaldaz for cold, kōuz for Cow, tækanan for undertake, prikojan for prick,  et al....

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English, and on top of that he bluffs his way on purported facts that are his juvenile (or might it be senile?)  "mis-rememberings."

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

And, ahem...  Germanic is NOT always a single, sharp syllable, and the alternative is a slippery one and half.

Perhaps you could stay on the subject: Snuck v. sneaked; wept v. weeped; lit v. lighted

The O.E. (Germanic) derived forms not the later "revised" modern forms of these verbs have a single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more).

The single, sharp syllable and not a slippery one and half (or more) word that is sneikanan, the Germanic origin of the word sneak?

The O.E. snīcan like its German infinitive origin means "to sneak," related to "snake" before a vowel shift and is, again, an irrelevant rejoinder from you about the fact that "snuck" is a single, sharp syllable rather than a nucleus+sliding coda in "sneaked."

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42 Reply by Dill Carver (edited by Dill Carver 2016-10-13 09:04:26)

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English,..

We are all objects of fun Charles. Especially in the eyes of foreigners.  Oi the way you speak is correct within oi own tribe. Gibberish is a language too.

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corra wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

To some Americans there is only America. The universe of America

To all Americans who are Americans, that is.

No, no, Charles. That's not America you see around you. That's your ass. You've gotten your head stuck up there again.

Americans are out here, in the fresh air.

(He's not snuck, but he is stuck!) lol

What is important to this discussion, it appears, is that you cook and play the spinet well.

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44 Reply by Charles_F_Bell (edited by Charles_F_Bell 2016-10-13 10:12:24)

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English,..

We are all objects of fun Charles. Especially in the eyes of foreigners.  Oi the way you speak is correct within oi own tribe. Gibberish is a language too.

"We are all objects of fun." Isn't that what bigots say -- where "we" means "you?"

And are you so reduced to blubbering that you feel  the need to point out typos?

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45 Reply by Dill Carver (edited by Dill Carver 2016-10-13 10:43:20)

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:

And are you so reduced to blubbering that you feel  the need to point out typos?

I guess that you'd know best what bigots say. Object of fun that you are. Charles, the original 'pointy out person.'

When it comes to;

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English...

 
Typos are typos and grammar is grammar; or possibly grammer in your case.

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Dill Carver wrote:

Here is the foreigners view;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P0RpzzN5XY

What is not mentioned, because it was a bonehead Oxfordian mistake from the beginning, is that "leak" and "sneak" were not at all pronounced the same in the Middle Ages until after the Great Vowel Shift 1400-1600 and still not in Northern parts of GB.Leak had a short-e vowel sound and sneak had a long-i/ay sound (the same as "snake" was pronounced then), and so the business is about bad spelling and not that "sneaked"/snuck should have ever conformed with "leaked."

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Dill Carver wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

And are you so reduced to blubbering that you feel  the need to point out typos?

I guess that you'd know best what bigots say.

Yes, I do -- of the sort who think that their pc-approved bigotry is something good.

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48 Reply by corra (edited by corra 2016-10-13 11:55:17)

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pc-approved bigotry

And there it is! Projecting. EVERY time.

You are quite predictable. No one even has to point out your flaws. You do it yourself, as if in anticipation. lol

"No, no, YOU are a bigot!" (There, now he can't call me one, says the toad.)

Except... well, you are one.

No, what I mean is that I object to someone making fun oi the way I speak and write that is, in fact, proper and fine English, and on top of that he bluffs his way on purported facts that are his juvenile (or might it be senile?)  "mis-rememberings."

He was actually speaking to me in the last part you reference. Not you.

He didn't bluff anything. He mentioned the movie in passing, and then he corrected himself right after. That's called a conversation. Something you probably miss while "making fun of" the names of those around you that you consider "foreigners."

(I will pause a moment so you may call me a pc-approved bigot and unAmerican... and a girl. Also, you might haul out the label "feminist" while we're waiting. That could potentially distract me.)

Mariana Reuter wrote:

If you meant my name, Mr Charles F. Bell, I'm not American.
Kiss
Gacela

Dill Carver wrote:

To some Americans there is only America. The universe of America.

Charles_F._Bell wrote:

To all Americans who are Americans, that is.

You know what I object to in this conversation? THE ABOVE. Don't try to drag the rest of us into your little circle of pollution, Charles. Literally, this is what you said above:

"I think the following way, and therefore so do millions of other people, because we all fall under the label American. That is my line of thinking. We are all exactly the same."

You talk about senility? Whole wars have been fought, sir, to get the stench of your brand of thinking off our country. You are an anachronism.

The America I love is nothing like you, sir. It's filled with beautiful names and lovely people with accents and diction that color the light like music.

You object to someone making fun of the way you speak? You speak like a bigot. What a small sense of self you must have. To draw the entire nation around you like a blanket as justification for your limited line of thought.

America is better than you.

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Dill Carver wrote:

Must be my hearing that's gone awry!


The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)

Josey Wales: Seems like you was looking to gain some money here.
Lone Watie: Actually, I was looking to gain an edge. I thought you might be someone who would sneak up behind me with a gun.
Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian
Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

Even the Josie Wales don't say 'snuck'!!

Maybe snuck will sneak into the 2018 remake.

We use "snuck" as the past tense of sneak. Not instead of sneak. Your example is present or future tense.
Not apples to apples.

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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Dill Carver wrote:

Here is the foreigners view;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P0RpzzN5XY

What is not mentioned, because it was a bonehead Oxfordian mistake from the beginning, is that "leak" and "sneak" were not at all pronounced the same in the Middle Ages until after the Great Vowel Shift 1400-1600 and still not in Northern parts of GB.Leak had a short-e vowel sound and sneak had a long-i/ay sound (the same as "snake" was pronounced then), and so the business is about bad spelling and not that "sneaked"/snuck should have ever conformed with "leaked."

Interesting. Although, the bonehead Oxfordian foreign female did mention as a precursor (snuck in) that the Oxford Dictionary is descriptive rather than prescriptive. I guess that'd be a disclaimer re: theory upon the pronunciation of vowels within the dialects of the various regions and countries that made up the British Isles pre 1400AD?

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