Topic: Independence Day - the 1852 Address by Frederick Douglass.
One of my favorite writers. Read by James Earl Jones.
2 2016-07-03 22:50:33 (edited by vern 2016-07-03 22:54:46)
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Re: Independence Day - the 1852 Address by Frederick Douglass.
A similar speech might be made today regarding "religious" intolerance and hypocrisy. Take care. Vern
Edited to add omitted word.
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corra wrote:
One of my favorite writers. Read by James Earl Jones.
It IS a great—and courageous—piece of writing. My first time to see it.
Thanks,
Memphis
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Re: Independence Day - the 1852 Address by Frederick Douglass.
Who finds himself in Dante's Ninth Canticle with Judas, Cassius, and Brutus, traitor or swine?
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Traitor or swine, like beauty, is often in the eyes of the beholder (along with the accompanying bias.) According to the relatively recently discovered Gospel of Judas, he was actually the most trusted of the disciples. Judas was given advanced teachings and thus was secretly given the task of helping Jesus fulfill his mission by "betraying" him as planned. Of course this version was not included in the canonized Bible for obvious reasons. Take care. Vern
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Traitor or swine, like beauty, is often in the eyes of the beholder (along with the accompanying bias.) According to the relatively recently discovered Gospel of Judas, he was actually the most trusted of the disciples.
"Swine" then. Much like a self-freed slave (only possible in that country into which he was born and yet he scorned) who could do nothing but whine about racism anywhere else he was not a slave, and like those who think American Independence then or today has anything to do with the ramblings of a bitter man, like MLK. Jr. exactly a century later, having no function after 1865 except to extract a living by agitation.
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"Swine" then.
Your shallow contribution here throws integrity into relief, serving as a living reminder of the horrific world this man spoke against. Your voice is small, your words hollow, your contribution like the scurrying of a rat too arrogant to realize he is insignificant.
Please, do go on. You serve as illustration.
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corra wrote:
"Swine" then.
Your shallow contribution here throws integrity into relief, serving as a living reminder of the horrific world this man spoke against. Your voice is small, your words hollow, your contribution like the scurrying of a rat too arrogant to realize he is insignificant.
Please, do go on. You serve as illustration.
"Swine" I wouldn't choose for you, but as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against is that but a shallow contribution on the 4th I can speak of here against those who despise the U.S.A. not from its human limitations but because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else.
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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
corra wrote:"Swine" then.
Your shallow contribution here throws integrity into relief, serving as a living reminder of the horrific world this man spoke against. Your voice is small, your words hollow, your contribution like the scurrying of a rat too arrogant to realize he is insignificant.
Please, do go on. You serve as illustration.
"Swine" I wouldn't choose for you, but as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against is that but a shallow contribution on the 4th I can speak of here against those who despise the U.S.A. not from its human limitations but because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else.
When "anywhere else" leaves a lot to be desired, then "enormous superiority" still has lots of room for improvement. To blindly deny that is to become part of the problem. But I'm sure your highness already knows that, right? Take care. Vern
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Charles_F_Bell wrote:
... as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against ....
... because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else ...
This is a matter of perspective.
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corra wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:... as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against ....
... because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else ...This is a matter of perspective.
From my perspective your post was highly offensive; hate speech, if you like.
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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:corra wrote:Your shallow contribution here throws integrity into relief, serving as a living reminder of the horrific world this man spoke against. Your voice is small, your words hollow, your contribution like the scurrying of a rat too arrogant to realize he is insignificant.
Please, do go on. You serve as illustration.
"Swine" I wouldn't choose for you, but as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against is that but a shallow contribution on the 4th I can speak of here against those who despise the U.S.A. not from its human limitations but because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else.
When "anywhere else" leaves a lot to be desired, then "enormous superiority" still has lots of room for improvement. To blindly deny that is to become part of the problem. But I'm sure your highness already knows that, right? Take care. Vern
And certainly, as you see the U.S.A. in 2016, words from a bitter man in the 1850's, probably more appreciated as a young slave in the South than a mature Negro in the "tolerant" North, is the way to put things in perspective.
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vern wrote:Charles_F_Bell wrote:"Swine" I wouldn't choose for you, but as to the sentiment of the "horrific world" Douglass spoke against is that but a shallow contribution on the 4th I can speak of here against those who despise the U.S.A. not from its human limitations but because of its enormous superiority to anywhere else.
When "anywhere else" leaves a lot to be desired, then "enormous superiority" still has lots of room for improvement. To blindly deny that is to become part of the problem. But I'm sure your highness already knows that, right? Take care. Vern
And certainly, as you see the U.S.A. in 2016, words from a bitter man in the 1850's, probably more appreciated as a young slave in the South than a mature Negro in the "tolerant" North, is the way to put things in perspective.
Alas, the "tolerant" North is/was only a façade. Take care. Vern
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vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:vern wrote:When "anywhere else" leaves a lot to be desired, then "enormous superiority" still has lots of room for improvement. To blindly deny that is to become part of the problem. But I'm sure your highness already knows that, right? Take care. Vern
And certainly, as you see the U.S.A. in 2016, words from a bitter man in the 1850's, probably more appreciated as a young slave in the South than a mature Negro in the "tolerant" North, is the way to put things in perspective.
Alas, the "tolerant" North is/was only a façade. Take care. Vern
No façade, assigning blame to the importation for slavery of all those "anomalous and troublesome strangers" in New England. {Joanne Pope Melish} Douglass made a conscious choice between living fat in a racist white society dangling at the end of strings directed by a corporate-lawyer President for his war of taxation that killed three-quarters of a million Americans or starving in a racist black society somewhere else.
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From my perspective your post was highly offensive; hate speech, if you like.
Yes, you've illustrated your perspective sufficiently, as I've already said.
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Test
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SolN wrote:
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Of what? Take care. Vern
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corra wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:From my perspective your post was highly offensive; hate speech, if you like.
Yes, you've illustrated your perspective sufficiently, as I've already said.
To say the insulted one(s) 'perspective' is to have been insulted is a tautology of evasion and doesn't even go as far as to say: "I'm sorry you have been offended."
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corra wrote:
You have style, lady. Take care. Vern
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corra wrote:
Yes, persons from your perspective say that, don't they? Oh, by the way, Mrs. Clinton would make a superbly feminist U.S. President.
