Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Erndog wrote:

It would be so easy to plug her and her school into the larger picture of the endless search ancient mages and the story.

I agree. Perhaps that's why I never warmed up to her. To me she was meh. The second half of Acts is when things got interesting for me. However, I made the mistake of starting with the wrong book, so take that with a grain of salt.

You still haven't numbered your book titles, BTW. Hint.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Let's wait until the known problem (the containment jar sequence) is addressed, and them we can see if there is sill a problem.

Meanwhile, why is this thread sticky?

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On 'sandtrap' vs. 'sandfall': where the name first appears, you are discussing beauty.  Soon enough we'll learn the nature of the danger, but for the beginning 'fall' is more vague than 'trap' and leaves just a little question for the reader.

And when it does appear, you could hearken back to the beauty before giving uss the terror.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Sticky thing is fixed. I accidentally hit a button.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I gotcha. Rewrite the Containment Jar.

I haven't numbered the books because Mandates is the oldest thing I've written on this site. Worse, the last five chapters aren't done, because I wanted to go back and rip it apart. Each of the three initial books should be able to be read in any order, but Kha's story starts everything. So I'm in a pickle about numbering the books. I don't mind others joining up out-of-order because it lets me know when I introduce order issues that don't belong there.

And if they aren't loyal to me, reading Mandates isn't as good as Dictates. Grammar, sentence structure, order issues, and LOTS of 'were/had' verbs. I think the last time I posted on Mandates was over a year ago. My learning curve is spelled out in that older book. It's painful to me, actually.

In all likelihood, I'll use your reviews as an excuse to finish Kha's story (when you get close to the ending) I'll save it for a day where I'm grumpy at work so I can make Kha suffer more :-)

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

The story starts with Earthwound.  Why was Jaylene Lance'd?  Why did The Defiler attack the Wolves there?  So it's both Kha's story and Jaylene's  And was it Pure Luck that Kha got the Summer of Centrillium?  Can you say that this is the sort of luck that happened when the Wolves are together?  Can you use the trip to let Kha give us a little backstory?

The outstanding problem I see with Mandates is the opening.   Earthwound, Kha's half-healing, Kha's trip to Aerie (with the stop for Centrillium).

IMO, the strongest episode in the whole work is Kha and Dragon Sil.  Whatever the other problems, the character reveal and the action that does it are very, very powerful.

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And don't fear the copula!
For a laggard in love and a dastard in war/Was to wed the fair Ellen of young Lochinvar.
(Sir Walter Scott, Marmion)

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

KHippolite wrote:

Whoa... wait a second there, stop the press. Didn't Behira bring back Sil in the form of a human after Kha killed her as a dragon?

I begin to see this isn't quite the simple tale suggested by Acts. I hope I can follow all the threads...

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

The Founders are very special servants of Behira, and their reincarnation is immediate, with a possible and likely change of form.  The end chapters of =Acts= show us how Sil got this 'gift'.

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Norm d'Plume wrote:
KHippolite wrote:

Whoa... wait a second there, stop the press. Didn't Behira bring back Sil in the form of a human after Kha killed her as a dragon?

I begin to see this isn't quite the simple tale suggested by Acts. I hope I can follow all the threads...

I have given up on that. I'm more surprised when I CAN follow a thread rather than not ... So far, I can follow Northern Skies, but only just.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

New Jersey is right. Behira can heal (evidenced by the Voice when he heals Slash), and she can transform her subjects. But once the brain is gone, she can't restore someone to life. The gap in Jaylene's return to function was 9 months. Too long. The preservation and resurrection are beyond Her scope. Yet another thing I need to emphasize in the earlier book/second draft.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Does that mean that all those old resurrected Lances were restored immediately, or has this particular thing happened before?

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Good question. I would say that two were returned to life immediately, but at least one was over an extended period of time...at least two months. Good pickup.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

All of that is fairly given in what we see in the story.  Tell too much directly and you spoil the mystery.

Amy, as far as Mandates representing your youthful limitations, well, parts of that story represent your best work.    That means all the parts with Sil, once Sil has become a character and not just a beast.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

She'll be even better when I get a chance to sit and rewrite. Thanks for tooting my horn:-)

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

On the containment jar--I suspect you should resign youself to some speading edits.  I'll reread that section and see if I can make my impressions a little more concrete.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

OK. While you're at that monster, I'm trying to finish the last chapter of Dictates.

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You said, "Healing is reserved for rare and special people. Advice is withheld and frequently veiled. You get delivery missions that are next to impossible. It seems once you decide to follow her, you're in for a world of pain."

Sounds like the Catholic religion to me. There is no promise that God is going to help you through disease, poverty, or the trials of life. However, you serve because of a moral code and a belief that there is a greater power and a greater good. At the end, you get to sit in God's presence and the reward is eternal happiness in Heaven.

What is in it for the worshipper? Getting in on the plan, maybe. Being able to follow and look after the ones that you love. Maybe you enter a meld where you are part of a greater consciousness with the power to direct the real-world agents of your Goddess in order to make the world a better place.  Either way, the need to find a bigger meaning to an isolated life is branded into the human genome. I'm comfortable with Behira being a standard that people are willing to follow.

That and she's cool. She collects rocks. She likes dragons. She kicks the ass of evil.

I gave my priests a goddess that can be measured, experienced, and who rewards her followers with magic. Not half bad. I don't need 90 pages to justify this.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Okay, first review up.  I pound hard and I pound often.  I've hammered from the evening to the morning.

Meanwhile I've got maybe 3,500 words of a book two chapter with Melayne finding a breadcrumb.  Don't know when I'll get to type it up.  I'm sure it needs editing, but I think you'll like it.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Sandfall
Ooo, it's beautifuul.
Where does the sand go?
     Down a hole in the middle.
Wow.  Okay, where do we go next?
     Down the hole in the middle.
Urp!

On =Mandates=, I suggest you digest what I wrote and see if it feels helpful.  Maybe even do a first pass on the chapter.  We can work  from there.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

She collects rocks. It's like…a saying. Or maybe she collects planets. K (as in Krumbum), A (as in Awww, come on!), J (as in Jojo), and O (as in Over with, already...) should know about that since you made the characters into gods yet didn't promise anything except bigger boobs, and your non-religious world has a deity named, 'Brilliant Energy.' See, even for you, there are exceptions.

Oh, and I'll see what I can do about upping the ante on the promissory note. At the very least, the good guys will be brought back into play (like the horses in the Valdemar series).

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Wow, you're quick.  There's more to be done, but my next round of comments may have to wait a day.  One observation: You're still beginning the scene with Anver, rather than laying out the root of the dilemma first.  My suggestions weren't the best way, but I think that getting the issue started before you bring Anver in will help keep things moving.  So will a little economy (and reduced duplication) in the big description.  Some of it could be slipped into the action (Anver chased through the entrance hall by Kat).

You've got to near the point of diminishing returns to make this flow.  I'm just beginning to feel the big structure of it, and I hope I'll be able to hit that in my next round of comments.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I won't have as much time to integrate your comments, especially next week. I'm back at the grindstone and won't have a lot of time for fun.

However, if you are going to spend that much time helping me edit, then I'm paying attention. I got that chapter down to 3500 words and you found more than one order issue. No complaints at all.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

It would be a shame among shames if a few weak chapters kept this story from publication, or from success after it hit the shelves.  It's a better story than many I have read.  You've got all the hard stuff right, and a lot of brilliant moments that are intrinsic to the story.

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Oh, I'll get published. As long as I don't get slammed by a bus or some other big moment, then my goal is to finish all three first drafts in the next two years.