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Explore away, Max! All the best to you, my friend.

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max keanu wrote:

I'll be gone for 10 days. Off to Washington state to explore medical marijuana. I'll be staying here part of the time:
http://www.anchorage-inn.com/
Also, Gig Harbor with friends  & the Paradise Inn to get inspiration for a horror novel like, The Shinning.

Is this the right place to post trivia like this? Is this the community forum?

Good luck, Max. FYI, I read a news article recently that says the actual content of pot's active ingredient is very inconsistent. Only about 20% of edible products had the advertised content. 60% had too little. 20% too much.

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Gods Ghost wrote:

..., and another who died after exhibiting actions and demeanor that are counter-intuitive to the effects caused by the substance we are speaking of, were entirely different in all aspect.

It is a matter of public record that Treyvon Martin had liver damage consistent with the long-term abuse of dextromethorphan.  There exist screencaps that show that he used it recreationally, in massive doses in a cocktail with Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea product (Watermelon Fruit Punch ... yes, I know the implications.)  It is a medical fact that such abuse, over months or years, can cause paranoia and loss of impulse control.  (The jury was not told these things, by the way.  It was too prejudicial under our current rules.)

I could go on.  Mr. Martin was not the good young man he had been years before.  Further info on request.

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This is the other side. We could stay off topic and match articles on both sides of this issue or just let this boy rest in peace.


Right Wing Site World Net Daily Spreads Misinformation About Trayvon Martin

Reno Berkeley

A week has come and gone since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. A week is a long time by media standards, but due to the remarkable nature of the case, controversy about the verdict continues. Conservative pundits insist on perpetuating an image of a violent, drug addled young man who viciously attacked a dedicated neighborhood watch volunteer.

We will never know both sides of the story, as there were no witnesses to the altercation leading up to Martin's death. All we know is George Zimmerman's account, and also Rachel Jeantel's testimony about her phone conversation with her close friend just moments before the fatal gunshot.

And yet, the politics of character assassination continue, driven by rumor, speculation and an unwavering need to paint Zimmerman as a hero who made an honest mistake. So-called political doyens have even gone so far as to espouse completely unsupported claims regarding Martin's penchant for drug use.

One such pundit is Andrea Shea King of World Net Daily (WND). WND is a conservative news website that reports on such things as a 900-year-old prophecy of Jesus' return and how legalizing gay marriage will inevitably lead the way to government-sanctioned pedophilia.

Ms. King's report is no less preposterous. In her opinion piece, 'It Wasn't Just Skittles Trayvon Was Carrying,' she claims that Trayvon was a hardened drug user, whose addiction was so severe that he sustained liver damage. King even provides a helpful link to the autopsy report done by the medical examiner in Daytona Beach, Florida.

On the first page of the autopsy report, the cause of death is concluded to be a shotgun wound. Manner of death is listed as homicide and is signed by Dr. Shiping Bao, the doctor who testified during the trial. Upon researching the claim that Martin had a drug problem, I found no evidence of this in the autopsy report, although Ms. King claims it is there.

She references another conservative blog, The Conservative Treehouse, as being a reliable source for information about the victim's drug use. She writes:

"Among its reports, Trayvon Martin’s drug use, explaining how the Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail drink he carried that night are ingredients that, when mixed with dextromethorphan (DXM) cough syrup, create “Lean”, a concocted high which can cause psychosis and aggression over the longer term. According to the autopsy report, Martin’s liver showed damage consistent with DXM abuse."

This last sentence I emphasized for a reason. It is because DXM ,or 'lean', is mentioned nowhere in the 20 pages of information on the Martin's autopsy report. On pages four and five, Bao lists the conditions in detail of the body organs, including the liver. On page six his reports lists the condition of the liver as having "no diagnostic abnormalities."

Yet King and the rest of her conservative compatriots would have the world believe that his liver was damaged because he was a drug addict. The only kernel of truth to this -- and it is a stretch -- is that a trace amount of THC was found in his system. The amount specifically was 400 times less than necessary to be intoxicated. No other drugs were found in his system. None.

Marijuana can stay in the system for up to three months, depending on the method and frequency of use. This gives one a completely different vision of the high school student. Because the amount found in his system was so minute, the last time he ingested it could have been weeks prior to the shooting.

The misinformation in King's story can only be described as egregious, for it appepears that she did not bother to read the Bao's autopsy report. If she did and reported Martin as having a drug problem, then she has committed libel against a boy who can no longer defend his own character.

The question, therefore, is why is Andrea Shea King willing to spread such gross misinformation? Are she and her conservative colleagues are incapable of detatching themselves from their preconceived biases and rationally analyze their own information? Perhaps she will come forward with an explanation as to why she is perpetuating the myth of the violent junkie.

Regardless of whether Trayvon Martin threw the first punch on that fateful night, he does not deserve to have his name continually dragged through the mud.

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Dear Max,
Best of luck to you,  I sincerely hope that this exploration will result in relief from your suffering.  My computer is on its way out,  so I couldn't respond sooner.  Feel better friend,  and, don't write anything as scary as The Shining!  Keep in touch with us if you can.

Janet

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dagnee wrote:

This is the other side. 
Regardless of whether Trayvon Martin threw the first punch on that fateful night, he does not deserve to have his name continually dragged through the mud.

His name was mud before he attacked and threatened to kill Zimmerman. One should suppose the racists are on the side that drug abuse had nothing to do with his actions.

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Martin went three quarters of the way around the block to turn an encounter into an unnecessary confrontation.  He smashed a man's head repeatedly against the pavement without justification, for which he could have been charged with assault with a deadly weapon, had he lived.  These facts were presented to the jury.

George Zimmerman had a history of tutoring youths, white and black alike.  He ran a public campaign to prosecute a boy--the son of a white cop--who had attacked a black neighbor youth, and who was apparently being protected by the blue shield.  (The campaign was successful.)  He left his truck to carry out the directions of the police dispatcher, and he was returning to his truck, also under instructions of the dispatcher, when he was attacked.

Bill Whittle presents the case here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEbu6Yv … Y8_gCxLnlg .  You can say that the liver damage does not prove drug abuse, and you'd be right.  But it's consistant with it, and Martin's own web posts strongly indicate that he was a user.

Reports of Martin's character indicate that it changed greatly in the previous few years.  The changes are consistant with (again, not proving) the drug cocktail which he himself said he (mis)used.  The personality changes that are reported to follow from abuse of that drug are also consistant with his behavior on the night he attempted to kill a witness, and lost his life in the attempt.

Blame his environment if you must; there's no doubt he was failed by a school system more concerned with hiding its failures than protecting its charges.  But he attempted to kill a witness to his presence, and lost his life in the attempt.

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This thread was hijacked by some to discuss a highly inflammatory topic. I suggest the thread stay on topic and discussions of race relations and pot smoking happen elsewhere.

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I'm closing this thread as its run a bit off course. If you want to discuss politics or race relations feel free to do it in another group. I don't want these discussions in Premium though as they usually lead to extremely divisive arguments. The group below is specifically set up for any type of conversation, debate, argument.

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/group-fight-club-48

Sol