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njc wrote:

Oh, dear.

janet reid wrote:
KHippolite wrote:

Ah, I think I figured it out... and it may be an across-the-pong thing, but the expression should probably be

"X wasted no time in doing Y"

which is very different from X didn't waste his time doing Y. Maybe it's an idiomatic expression. *shrugs*. Either way, I get the meaning now

The difference is the word 'in'.  With no 'in', Catherine's dress is still up around her admirable front.  With 'in', the dress was set right expeditiously.

See The Lexicon of Intentionally Ambiguous Recommendation, also called LIAR.  (How do you read "I cannot recommend him too highly."  ?)

He's highly recommended. But it's because I speak LIAR as a fouth language fluently ... tongue
(my third language is talking sh#t wink )

I'll make doubly/triply sure her skirt is where SHE wants it before she leaves the hall! big_smile

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It would've been ssssooooooooo much easier if "okay" had been first used in the fifteenth century!!!!!! grrrrrrrr ......

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Very good, Madam.

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As you wish, milady

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I went with "Very well then." even though it's not very well at all! I've still made notes though ...

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For you: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151026 (this page and the next).  The green-haired warrior princess hails from a place dedicated to the active worship of Ashtara, who sounds like a rather reckless Aphrodite.  And they have ''holidays''  ...

What the heck, I'll throw this page in, too: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050523 .  Ho yeah, Ashtara.

Go four pages back and you'll find one of the most brilliant uses of page layout to lead the eye I've seen.

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njc wrote:

For you: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151026 (this page and the next).  The green-haired warrior princess hails from a place dedicated to the active worship of Ashtara, who sounds like a rather reckless Aphrodite.  And they have ''holidays''  ...

What the heck, I'll throw this page in, too: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050523 .  Ho yeah, Ashtara.

Go four pages back and you'll find one of the most brilliant uses of page layout to lead the eye I've seen.

LOL, but yes, you just need the right shoes! smile

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And a tea cozy, and ... just ... one ... spoon.

Oh, by the way, the golden-haired girl =is= the Lady Heterodyne.  The fiction is about her.

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Yes, well, I'm reading for the mystery.  My money is on Peter.

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Janet, I added more comments to that last chapter. Sorry!

I think your build up is perfect. I just need more clarity on the want vs need. I was treating them as one when they are two different things. More stress on the need will help make it clear that that is something else.

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njc wrote:

Yes, well, I'm reading for the mystery.  My money is on Peter.

The mystery will extend over three books, each with a logical conclusion of a "third" of the overall mystery. Anthony better train, and train good, he's 'it' in the last book, and it's going to be a big one.

As for Peter, *covers ears with hands* tra-la-la-la-laaaaa

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Rebecca Vaughn wrote:

Janet, I added more comments to that last chapter. Sorry!

I think your build up is perfect. I just need more clarity on the want vs need. I was treating them as one when they are two different things. More stress on the need will help make it clear that that is something else.

Oh! I see! I'm remembering the first draft! Ok. That's fine. Leave as is.
* Actually, to about three chapters before in this draft too, so it's a pretty late change! You're good!

Matthew wasn't looking for love, and what he really needed, she could not hope to give.
* This will work for sure! It implies perfectly that she wants it too, but has no hope. Brilliant suggestion, thank you!!!!!!

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janet reid wrote:
njc wrote:

Yes, well, I'm reading for the mystery.  My money is on Peter.

The mystery will extend over three books, each with a logical conclusion of a "third" of the overall mystery. Anthony better train, and train good, he's 'it' in the last book, and it's going to be a big one.

As for Peter, *covers ears with hands* tra-la-la-la-laaaaa

njc, I also forgot too add - the mystery/action will be coming through again, soon and in heaps!

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I NEED HELP, PLEASE!!!!!!

I need to get Matthew & Catherine alone to talk so I have to get them together some way or another that seems meant to be/natural.

For those that haven't seen the latest chapter yet, they got it on the first time the night before (and then again early that morning before everyone else woke up - what can I say, they're bunnies and this is a Romance novel!). The easy way would be to just have them cuddle and talk after Session #2, but they have already been talking a lot before Session #1 and in between too, so I'd prefer a change in scenery (this has been going on for a couple of chapters). AND!, this way, I can also get readers back into the 16th century and Northern England too.

So I was thinking to have Matthew retreat to his 'I need to get away and think while alone' spot which is the outer staircase of the tower that is used to keep the beacon (typically a bale of hay or similar) to warn neighbours of impeding danger. It's got a nice view too, so bonus. No problems here. The man has a lot of things on his plate to think about.

My problem is to get Catherine there so that they can talk ...

One option is, she can go look for him as they grew up together and she could know about his hiding place, but there is no reason for her to be looking for him, so this doesn't work all that well.

The other option is for her to decide that it's a cold but nice morning with clear skies and a good opportunity to watch the sunrise - guess where is the spot with the best view? And then have her stumble over Matthew (not literally though). This way she also doesn't need to have knowledge of hide-out. But this feel so contrived/almost lame. Or is it just me?

So I need help and or opinions/feedback/suggestions, and would appreciate any help or advice with this one.

Thank you!!!!

ps - I've tried to make this medieval group friendly using the post from the Romance group - not sure I succeeded, but I tried at least! smile

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What are Catherine's habits?  She'll be working with the mother and the kid, right?  What will her movements be?

http://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!sear … 0seduction

http://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!sear … PEQi9TvL8s

Grumble.  tNBW is mishandling the links.  Go to groups.google.com and search for "sicilian sirens seduction" and "janie-minkminder old-man balder"

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I was thinking of vocalists, and this seemed appropriate for the thread.  Man, she had a set of pipes. There's the same feeling of longing in there that Satchmo could do.  Actually, she still has them--there was a 50th anniversary ceremony in Fort Lauterdale.  Not all the power, but she still showed off the pipes.

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Janet,

Not too much of a problem. All you have to do is go back in other chapters and have C think about the eagle's nest/ watchtower, remembering how it was a retreat when the childhood got too stressful. Therefore, she wonders once or twice in previous chapters about what the scenery would look like and if there would be the same view as during her childhood. Then, after the hubba-hubba-bang-bang scenes, she escapes to the tower as a place to meditate and think. That way, it isn't contrived.

Boom!  Score one for the tiara! 

(FYI, I would think that these 'abandoned' areas of the fortress are actually quite popular amongst the young people who live there. Servants are sleeping on the floor in the common room. If hormones run high, there will be frequent places where people tryst. The watchtower would be one of them.  C would know about that, I think, having been raised in this keep.)

A

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njc wrote:

I was thinking of vocalists, and this seemed appropriate for the thread.  Man, she had a set of pipes. There's the same feeling of longing in there that Satchmo could do.  Actually, she still has them--there was a 50th anniversary ceremony in Fort Lauterdale.  Not all the power, but she still showed off the pipes.

I'll have to do this from home, my work firewall is giving my all kinds of trouble with google groups and youtube.

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Best for now solution I have is, both have a need to think and be alone, I just need to establish that. Matthew has his spot. Check. Catherine, absent-mindedly, is looking for a spot, and by chance of luck, ends up where M is. Which is, when you think about it, a good spot for that time of day. So the plan is to go with this and see what the reviews say. For all of the trouble I had with the latest chapter, the reviews coming in haven't picked out massive issues, so I'm hoping this chapter goes down the same path!

hubba-hubba-bang-bang - Amy, this is the title of the next chapter where they hubba-hubba-bang-bang again. My 'rolling in the hay' sounds lame with a capital L all of a sudden. sad

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You need a more metaphorical or remote title.  Remember the example I use, the song from =A Chorus Line=.  In the previews, it was given a title from the Wham! line in the refrain--=T*ts and *ss=.  When the title was changed to =Dance Ten, Looks Three= the song became a showstopper.  "T*ts and *ss/Won't get you jjobs/Unless they're yours!"

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No luck with the google groups. Youtube co-operated. smile

Not sure I'm following you, but the chapter titles are only for TNBW. They will be dropped and only chapter numbers used when I publish (hopefully, fingers crossed) one day.

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janet reid wrote:

No luck with the google groups. Youtube co-operated. smile

Shucks.  And I have a good line or two in there.  "... looked down at me like I was there to repossess his shoes."

Re: Northern Skies - Janet!

njc wrote:
janet reid wrote:

No luck with the google groups. Youtube co-operated. smile

Shucks.  And I have a good line or two in there.  "... looked down at me like I was there to repossess his shoes."

Judging by "sicilian sirens seduction" and "janie-minkminder old-man balder" alone, I believe you! smile

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A long time ago, in a usenet group far, far away ... The Adventures of Chuck Dammit, Private Investigator!

> ``This'll fix you right up,'' he said.  ``At least I think it will.''
> He looked at me like a law he wanted to disbelieve, but had to disobey
> instead.  ``Dammit, you look awful.''
>
> I never could get the Old Man to call me `Chuck.'
He went back to play with the liver and onions.  He moved things around
in the pan, then he took a couple of glasses down and came back to the
table.  He scooped some of his three-bag-of-sugar rum punch into them, and
handed me one.

``Honk, honk!''  He saluted with the glass, fixing me with his squint,
then threw his head back and threw the punch down the hatch in one slug.
Did I say that his head is balder than his manners?

In my condition, I'd've missed the target.  ``Your health,'' I said,
and poured the stuff down my throat.  ``Liquor is dandy,'' I coughed,
``but candy is quicker.''  The punch did help.  My blood sugar was on
its way to tripling.

The Old Man trucked his corporation around to the stove, where he went
back to work on the mess in the pan.  Liver should only be cooked under
a catalytic converter, but my host sucked the aroma in like he couldn't
leave any for anyone else.  He fussed with some plates, rummaged in the
silver drawer, and took the pan off the fire.  Then he came back to the
table.

``Here you go, son.''  He put one plate down in front of me, then sat
down across the table.  ``So tell me,'' he said as he grinned, ``how did
they get you?''

``I told you,'' I said.  Then I stuffed my mouth with onions.

``I know you told me.  That was a load of hooey, son,'' he said, tilting
his head toward the garden, ``for them.  Now that we're alone, you just
tell the Old Man how a bunch of pixies knocked you down and locked you
up underground.''

I cut a slice of liver.  Actually, there were three of us there, not
counting my dinner: me, the Old Man, and the Old Man's `stummick.'

``They tripped me,'' I said, stuffing my mouth full of onions.

``And then?''  He looked at me over his glasses.  If he'd only do that
to the pixies, our problems might be over.  When they made his face,
they broke the mold, after the zoning board declared it an eyesore.

I cut a slice of liver, and took another mouthful of onions.  ``Then I
think they poured some powder on me.  All of a sudden, the world went
into a spin around me.''

He snorted.  ``Pixie dust.  Lord love a duck, Charlie, you get into the
cussedest things.''

I took a mouthful of onions, and went back to slicing the liver.  ``When
things came to a stop, I was locked up and that big boss was looking at
me like I was there to reposess his shoes.''

The Old Man sat back and closed his eyes.

``What I'd like to know,'' I said ``is what the story is with the rummage
sale riding around on that horse.  Hey, before you go to--start thinking,
how about another shot of that punch?''

He smiled as his eyes opened, then filled both glasses again, almost to the
brim, the same way as before.  ``Mud in yer eye,'' he growled, then knocked
the glassful down.  ``Hey, ain't you gonna eat that liver?''

``Needs some sauce,'' I said, and poured the glass of rum glaze over it.
The look on the Old Man's face was indescribable.  And if not, I swear
I'll never tell.

``Now you done it.''  He grabbed his belly and pulled it up a couple of
inches.  ``I got a delicate digestion.  I ain't gonna eat for a week, now.
I'm gonna starve.''

Speaking of starving, I went to work on the candied liver.

``Charlie, how could you?'' he gasped.

``Don't look,'' I said, through a mouthful of rum and sugar.  ``Shut
your eyes and think.  What about Sharon Hotts?''

For once, he took my advice,  even though he slipped a peek with one eye
to be sure I was still eating.  I pretended I didn't see it.

``Janie Minkminder.  I never read that kind of books.  Besides, hers're
all the same.  In _The Third Love in Thrace_, it was Sam Heller, and in
the fifth chapter she almost sank his boat running away.  In _Affair
on Olympus_ it was Dmitri Pappa-something, and he smashed his car after
she slapped him.  By the way, she had him driving on the wrong side of
the road.  That was in Chapter Five, too.  In _Sicilian Siren's Seduction_,
Giovanni Bulio trips and falls out of a window.  That was in Chapter Six.
In _Riverboat Romance, ...''

``Say that again,'' I said.

``I never read that kind of book.''

``No, I mean about the Sicilian Siren.  What happens in Chapter Six?''

``Virginia Mayflower realizes that Giovanni is serious, and she starts
to back away.  He follows, and she runs into him and knocks him aside
to get away.  He stumbles out onto the balcony and she runs down the
stairs.  When she gets to the bottom and goes outside, she sees that
the balcony railing snapped and Giovanni fell from the third floor.  He
fell into a fishpond, and she watches him climb over the gargoyle from
behind.  Of course, she has to mention which orifice the gargoyle is
spouting water from.  You're not thinking that this Rogers fella ... ?''

``You do the thinking,'' I said.  ``If you won't read her books, I'll
have to.''

``You just do that, son.''  He squinted again with one eye to make sure
that I was really eating the liver.

When I was done, he opened the other eye to look at me.  I had another
glass of his rum concoction at my lips.

``Only you, Dammit.''

The Old Man has never called me `Chuck.'

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Later article archeologied from the same story:

The Case of Inedible Chocolates
                                   VI

>"And then?"  I echoed Elf's question.
>
>"And that's when Charlie came to me for help," said the Old Man.

"And he's been 'helping' me ever since," said Chuck.  Something in his
voice said he wasn't sure about the honor.

"Never mind that," said Elf, "how did this all start?"

"It began," said Chuck, "when a Mr. Rolls found Hollis Roger's body in
an alley two years ago."

"It _began_," I corrected him, "when Janie and Hollis Rogers showed up
in my barn a few months before that."

"It BEGAN," growled the Old Man, "in Tunisia, North Africa, 1944."

He'd done it again.  We all turned towards him, except Gunsel who
hadn't recovered from his last scene, and who had mistakenly been
called Bingle, and who would undoubtably take offense at that, as soon
as he was able.

Having taken possession of our attention, the Old Man was in no hurry
to relinquish it.  He poured himself another three fingers of Rum and
swirled it around in his glass before beginning.  "Near the end of the
war," he began, "a destroyer escort in the Mediterranean developed
engine trouble and had to drop back from its convoy.  The rest of the
floatilla was-- well, let us just say there wasn't any way to
corroborate the story."

He had us hooked.  We ignored flamewars, calls to for RFDs in town,
entire mobs chasing newbies through the diner, Pat's transformation
into a Soap/Porn star, and Hound's subsequent sulking as the only
working character in town.  We ignored all that and we watched while
The Old Man finished the Rum and dribbled more into the glass before
continuing.  "The USS Smart was limping East some hundred or two miles
from Tunis when it had to divert North.  It came upon debris from an
Italian freighter that had been torpedoed.  They found a small life-
boat with two men in it.  One was dead, the other dying.  Lashed to
the side of the boat was a large crate.  The Smart picked up the
survivor and, at his hysterical prodding, brought his crate along. 
It was labelled 'Chocolates.' 

"The man died before the Smart reached Tunis, but his ravings were
extraordinary.  Few members of the crew could speak Italian, but what
was understood made the officers uneasy.  It was never determined what
exactly killed the man.  He had so many wounds, it wasn't clear if
he'd picked up one more on board the Smart.  Shortly after he died,
his crate disappeared, along with a Midshipman named Hershey."

"How do you know this?" demanded Elf, voicing what the rest of us were
thinking. 

The Old Man smiled.  "Because, after the War, I was assigned to find
out what happened to Midshipman Hershey, and his crate."

"And did you find him?"

"Him, I found.  More or less."  He leered at us.  If he was expecting
someone to ask him what he meant by that, there wasn't anybody at that
table with a weak enough imagination to need to ask--.

"What d'ya mean, more or less?"  It was a small voice.  Gunsel's,
actually.  The pixie was sitting up in the satchel and holding his
head like it hurt.

The Old Man leaned close to the pixie.  "I found enough of him to
identify.  Parts that made it certain that the rest of him wasn't
going on by itself."  He glared at him as if to dare him to ask for
more.

"How'd ya identify 'im?"  Funny how a headache didn't seem to curb the
pixie's curiosity. 

"Dental records," said the Old Man.

"You found his teeth?"

"A bit more than that.  But I had to dig them out of a hardened
block."

"Of concrete?" offered Elf.

"No."  He looked at us funny.  "Of Chocolate."  The Old Man sat back
and the rest of us exchanged glances.  Except Gunsel--he looked like
he was taking notes.

"I tracked the sailor to a chocolate festival in a coastal town.  His
was a tortured road which took him across Europe, leaving behind him a
string of kisses and broken hearts, to end his days on the Black Sea
coast near Odesa.  He had become one with a large orange-chocolate
bunny.  Once I found him, my--ahem--employers were satisfied, but I
was not.  I wanted to find that crate.  I knew something of it
already--."

"What?"  I shouted.  "This talk of crates is making me nervous!  What
about it?"

"As well you should be, but patience!" the Old Man demanded.  And to
ensure he drummed the lesson in he took his time finishing his glass
and refilling it before continuing.  "The crate, or rather its
contents, were discovered by an archeologist just before the war. 
He'd been doing research into the lost biblical city of Tannis, and
had found and excavated the mysterious Well of Godiva, expecting to
find the remains of the Lady.  What he found instead was packed into a
crate for shipment to England.  How the Nazi's learned of his
discovery--."

"Nazis!  I knew there'd be Nazis!"  I said. 

"I _hate_ those guys," muttered Doktor Fraud.

"--I never learned, but they hijacked the shipment and repacked it as
a crate of Chocolates, sending it to Germany on a well-guarded Italian
freighter.  Bad luck seemed to dog the crate from that point on.  The
freighter got separated from its entourage in a fog, having the bad
luck to be encountered and sunk by an American submarine with one
torpedo.  All hands but two were lost.  The tale of the USS Smart you
know.  What remained was to discover the nature of the discovery, and
what had become of it.  A shadowy Russian named Colonel Dove next came
into the picture--."

"Russians!  I knew there'd be Russians!" said Elf.

"I _hate_ those guys," muttered Chuck.

The Old Man glared us into silence before continuing.  "I was never
able to meet Colonel Dove, but we were aware of each other.  I heard
that he'd taken the contents of the crate for his own personal
collection.  Sometime, while in his possession, the items acquired a
thick coat of tempered chocolate armor.  Then, with the fall of the
Soviet Union, Colonel Dove consolidated his fortune and shipped it
all, bar none, to Morocco, where a friend of his had opened an
American Cafe.  He'd labelled the crate Maltese Chocolates to throw me
off the track, but I got word of his maneuver.  Too late to stop him,
I reached the airport in Casablanca in a thick fog in time to see the
plane leave.  I eavesdropped on a conversation out on the tarmac which
led me to believe that his friend Rick had a new partner, and that the
Russian himself had gone on to England."

"I was at the end of my rope.  I had no more finances for chasing
after the elusive Russian.  I was about to leave, when what should I
see?  The airlines had misplaced the Russian's luggage!--"

"Airlines!  I knew there'd be Airlines!" said Gunsel.

"I _hate_ those guys," muttered Hound.

The Old Man ignored them.  "There sat the crate, on the tarmac with
the rest of the suitcases.  I hastily exchanged the claim tag with one
from another suitcase nearby and made a note of it's new destination
and owner.  I booked myself on that flight and managed to arrange a
seat near the young couple.  Their name was Rogers.  Hollis and Janie
Rogers."

He let that sink in for a minute while he let another Rum sink in
himself.  I decided to stop counting.

"I pretended to sleep on the plane, while listening to their
conversation.  What I heard alarmed me.  They were professional
smugglers, and I had just handed them, I assumed, the biggest prize of
their lives.  Fortunately, the weren't aware that their luggage had
been switched, so if I could get to baggage claim first--."  He broke
off as the rest of us stared at both of them, him and his stomach.  "I
am not speaking of a footrace," he declared, indignantly.  "There are
ways to ensure a party has difficulty deplaning.  Unfortunately, I was
not successful.  Instead I was detained by airline security and when I
finally made my way to baggage claim, they, and the crate, were gone. 
They'd left me their suitcase.  I won't mention what it contained."

"Why?"  Gunsel was insatiable.

"Because it contained unmentionables!"

"I knew there'd be unmentionables"

"Oh shut up, dammit!"

"Call me Chuck."

"Wait, WAIT!" I shouted.  "You still haven't told us what's so
all-fired important about what's in that crate!  And you haven't tied
it to Freling-- Frelinghouse--"

"Frelinghausen Augustus Polychronius Minkminder," filled in Doktor
Fraud.  We all stared at him.  "Vell, zat iss his name!"

"Did I mention," added the Old Man, "that the archaeologist who start-
ed everything's name was Minkminder?"

"Freylinghausen?" said Chuck.

"Probably his father," said Doktor Fraud.  He pronounced 'his father'
"hiss fassa."

"Yes," said the Old Man.  "Dr. Augustus Polychronius Iglesiaus
Minkminder.  His friends called him Julio."

"Ok, ok," I said.  "So what's this got to do with my crate of Polish
Chocolates, and _WHAT'S IN THAT CRATE_?"

"Polish chocolates?" the Old Man looked at me blankly.

"Yes.  My crate has 'Polish Chocolates' stencelled in the side."

He looked around at each of us in turn, then leaned back and closed
his eyes.  "Oops.  My mistake.  Forget I said anything.