Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Well written stuff, Dirk. Some thoughts:

>>Satan and sinning humans, change your ways or Revelation is what will happen to you. It's God's final warning.>> From what I understand, Satan cannot turn back to the light. It's all over for him and his demons. But this is the quandary because why make the bet if there is no hope anyway? Therefore, I have to wonder if Satan has decayed over the millennia or very long ages ago. Hitler by the end of his life was probably in bad shape. I've heard he was drugged up and under some intense pressure. So perhaps Satan has degraded mentally and is beyond purely logical thinking. He doesn't care if God is omniscient. He is the great and awesome Satan and knows he'll win. This is just a thought...

God can't always say what might happen because where does faith and obedience come in? He basically tells Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and that's it. Abraham trusted in His promises, so he almost killed Isaac. Also, they had a covenant with each other which was very serious.

I did find this: Catholics interpret this final book of the Bible far differently than some of our Christian brethren in that we see its meaning as symbolic, rather than literal.

>>Humans, being smart too, have enough intelligence that they can figure this out as well (hell, I did, and my brain's not exactly firing on all thrusters, lol). It's just that most humans suck at interpreting the Bible correctly (45,000 denominations and counting), so most Christians think Revelation is literally what will happen.>> OUCH! So true that we Protestants have made denominational splitting into an art form. However, just as a minor note, I think most Christians think that Revelations is figurative or symbolic since many Christians are Catholic, Orthodox, and some protestants might agree with them.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Yeah, but not all Catholics agree on Revelation being heavily symbolic, primarily because of the influence of Protestant interpretations online and in popular books, like the Left Behind series. Also, because Revelation isn't discussed much in Catholic churches. Some priests don't teach it because they think it's too scary for parishioners. And, since the Church has said little officially about how to interpret it, Catholics are free to speculate.

Oddly, I was watching a Catholic priest explain Revelation, and he discussed the 42 months as if they were literal, not figurative. Hmm. I haven't had the time to finish the video yet.

My comment that humans suck at interpreting the Bible (45,000 denominations), includes all Christians, not just Protestants, whose denominations are fruitful and multiply like bunnies. smile There are simply too many ways to interpret many of the verses (the four "senses" used by Catholics), so whose to know? I read many different study guides for Catholic and Protestant interpretations of Revelation while researching Connor. Although some agree on some things, they can still vary wildly. One author went so far as to suggest that cell phones (held up to the head, like a mark on the forehead) and credit cards/fingerprints (for buying) are the marks of the Beast.

And although Satan's goose may indeed be cooked, I wonder who came up with the idea that he can't turn back to the light. I mean, even Vader overcame his nasty side. And I have a trilogy with a kid who ultimately overcomes much of his destiny, but then everyone except me is reading Revelation incorrectly. tongue

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

The Revelations of Dirk - a must read :-)
You're probably right in that I was probably too broad to include all Catholics and Orthodox as having figurative interpretations. I just assumed that the Orthodox would be similar to the Catholics.

And I'm not convinced that we will truly understand all the Revelation of John until we go through it. That should give you some freedom in your writing.

Satan is already condemned to hell (Matthew 25:41) where it says that hell has been prepared for him. And there is Revelation 20:10. He is thrown into the lake of fire forever. Satan has seen the glory of the Almighty God and rebelled. There is no excuse and no forgiveness. You can say that Rev 20:10 is figurative, however, if the best figurative description of hell is a forever lake of fire and torment then it must be a bad place. Satan basically commits blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Mark 3:28–30) but on a grand scale. And there is no turning back.

I know that what I've said in the last paragraph might constrain you mucho, but only you can determine what you want.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Satan will indeed be thrown (sucked) into the lake of fire, which, as you may recall, is an interstellar portal, but it can also send you elsewhere on Earth. God decides who goes where. Satan will end up on a small moon being sucked into the black hole at the center of our galaxy. Haven't figured out if I plan to send all demons there as well, or elsewhere. Some hellish world, perhaps, with instructions from God that no one ever go there. But will humans obey him this time? smile

I have two options (or both together) for someone going into the lake of fire. One is that time in the lake of fire is much slower than real time, so before you pass through the portal you will be punished by the lake for the unabsolved misdeeds of your life. However I make it, it can't be forever since I want to get all mortal sinners to other worlds. Which brings me to option 2, which is to state that they are, figuratively, in the lake of fire forever since they'll be on other worlds forever (they can never get back to Earth). I'll probably combine them, so you get some burning, then get transported.

Connor/Adam burn to nothing except for one thought: Agony! That's because Adam agreed before returning to Earth to personally accept everyone else's punishment. But he's too afraid to jump into the lake when the time comes, so Connor does it (one of the great deeds that awaits him). Then they get transported back to Megiddo, to the other waiting characters.

One issue to resolve is that I want the portals to be able to take you between worlds, so Connor, Campagna, and Romano, among others, can travel everywhere in the future since Connor, who is now immortal, has to rule all of it. Connor's throne will be on a renewed Earth.

Satan will, of course, burn worse than anyone else. And he'll never get away from the black hole.

Just to clarify my previous comments, many Catholics consider Revelation heavily figurative, but since there's 1.3 billion of them, I'm guessing a huge number of them don't know much about it. Even if they've read it, much of Revelation seems bizarre, so you probably need help understanding it, and if you go to the internet for your info, there are tons of Protestant websites that give their interpretation, but I don't recall any saying that they're a Protestant website and that interpretations differ.

The Catholic-specific study guides can vary quite a bit too. If you like, I'll send you the name/author of what I thought was the best one. When I first read Revelation, I thought John was off his meds. smile But, the aforementioned book was terrific at explaining things, and by the time I was done, I thought John was brilliant.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Cool additions:
- Depending on how bad you sinned in your life, the harsher the planet will be that you will be sent to live on.
- At the end of the story, I can have the real Christ crown Connor on Earth as king of all those worlds.
- Possibly with the ability to see what is happening on each of the worlds he has to rule. Probably using some special orb filled with water from the Sea of Galilee.

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Well, crap! An end times novel was just released called "The War for Souls", which was to be the title of my second book. It's from the line Nnamani speaks as he and Campagna flee the Vatican at the end of book one.

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The War for Souls Begins/Has Begun - possible alternative title for book 2; Nnamani's line was "The war for souls has just begun."
Great Deeds Await - possible title for book 3

My preference though is a title that could apply equally to Connor and Jesus. Something like "Rise of the King", but that title would only work for Connor, whereas "Return of the King" would only work for Jesus, assuming it wasn't already slightly used. smile

Crowning of the King - primarily refers to Connor.
The Lesser King - unused, I really like this one, but it also only applies to Connor.
All Hail the King - relatively unused title; I like this one; applies to both Connor and Jesus
King of the Stars
Into the Lake of Fire, Beyond the Lake of Fire
The Father Chooses His Champions Wisely - a line from the epilogue, refers to both Connor and his mother; a bit long, though.

The Lord of the Earth - currently the name of the trilogy, but I could rename the trilogy and use this title for book 3

Continued next post...

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Too bad! Wasn't Return of the King from LOTR?

How about The End War?

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Not a fan of End War. Not lofty enough. smile
Needless to say, The Day of the Lord is taken. tongue

I could also see giving Connor a different title than king, like The Shepherd or The Caretaker. The book could then be called the Unholy Shepherd or the Holy Caretaker.
Great Deeds Await, with or without You at the end.
The Antichrist Burns or The Burning of the Antichrist, which, technically, he does.
Burned Alive!  possibly with The Destruction of the Antichrist as the subtitle, although the subtitle is a little misleading; he is burned alive and destroyed, but he is brought back to life by God, who declares the Antichrist part of him to no longer exist/been burned to nothing)
The Immortal Sinner - since Connor will become immortal at the end.
The Antichrist Triumphant.

EDIT: Oddly, the Unholy Shepherd has been used before too, although only once, released in 2019 or 2021, for a murder-mystery. 4.8 stars on Amazon, although only from 9 reviewers (friends & family?). So, I consider that title usable.
EDIT: A Kingdom of Fire and Faith. -- Google's AI suggested this one. smile

From the looks of the two lists (including my previous post), it will almost certainly be one of the titles in blue. Right now, "The Lesser King" and "The Unholy Shepherd" are in the lead.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

"The Unholy Sheperd" is pretty dark or ominous and hence usable. It's darker and hence better than "The Lesser King."

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I like Unholy Shepherd best too. The title is meant to reflect the difference between who he was, and who he became in the end.
The Lesser King is nice too because Connor is crowned king at the end (i.e., he not only survived but came out on top), but unlike his father, Connor freely acknowledges that he is not the greatest king.
The other one I like is the Immortal Sinner because Connor becomes immortal at the end.

Since the name of my trilogy (The Lord of the Earth) is rather long, especially when it has to appear alongside the name of the novels, I'm probably going to rename the trilogy to one of the above three (probably the Lesser King) and perhaps one of the others as the title of book three. Except I don't think I want Connor to be both Shepherd and King.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Hmm. Per my previous post, I was hoping to shorten the title of the series from "The Lord of the Earth" because, when combined with the title of each novel, it strikes me as very long to have on a book cover. All three of those I was considering (The Lesser King, The Immortal Sinner, and The Unholy Shepherd) are too suggestive of the fact that Connor is not Christ, which is the big twist of book one. The Lesser King and The Unholy Shepherd are great titles for book three, though.

I really like Google AI's suggestion of Kingdom of Fire & Faith, but that's even longer than the current series title. The abbreviated title of Fire & Faith hasn't been used too much, but I find it too bland. I may just say to heck with it and use the full title (Kingdom of ...).

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

A few thoughts:
Lord of the Earth - helps a little bit with shortening it
Earth's Lord - seems too abbreviated.
Earth's Supreme Lord
Final Gambit (gambit means calculated move)

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Lord of the Earth, while slightly shorter may not help much. For example: in addition to naming the trilogy, the wording will most likely be something like: Lord of the Earth Book One (or Book 1).
Earth's Lord - yup, too short
Earth's Supreme Lord doesn't work too well because the winner could be Christ, Satan, or Connor. Referring to Satan or Connor as Supreme Lord seems a bit much.
Final Gambit - hmm, not a fan of that one

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Oh well, think I'll go enjoy NFL football, Thanksgiving, and family. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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Other possibilities for the trilogy title:
Satan's Last Stand - granted, it implies he will lose, but a Christian audience expects that anyway.
The Last Challenge - meh
Satan's War - nice and short, kind of boring though
The Millennia War - a possibility since the Last Challenge unfolds over two millennia
Kingdom of Fire & Faith - still in the running, albeit long
A title similar to Burn it all Down, which I like, but has been used too often
The End - simple, but impossible to find given the number of books with The End as part of the title.
Great Deeds Await
Great Deeds Await You
Killing the Messiah

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Of all of the above, I like Satan's Last Stand best.

Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

It also harkens back to Custer's Last Stand, which might be good. There's a mysterious aspect to it. People might ask what does that mean? So my vote is for Satan's Last Stand.

But I also like Satan's Last Gambit. Or Satan's Last Gamble.

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Re: The Gathering Darkness (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I prefer last stand to last gamble/gambit in part because of Custer's Last Stand. My target audience of course knows/expects Satan will lose in the end, but I think the reason people read those end of the world stories is to see how. Although his last challenge is a key driver for the story, ultimately it's about Connor being able to overcome Satan's control over him (genetically programmed to obey daddy, raised to believe his father has been wronged, etc.) and ultimately triumph in the end, albeit as the Lesser King and the Unholy Shepherd (if Gandalf can have a billion names, why not two titles for Connor (in addition to Antichrist).

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Ending upon ending upon ending. smile After Christ crowns Connor the Lesser King, he will also give Connor the title of Unholy Shepherd. The reason? Connor will not only be responsible for ruling all those newly occupied planets, but, infinitely more important, he will be tasked with helping his "flock" (the mortal sinners) get to Heaven. That was always the purpose of the other planets, anyway (i.e. try again!), but this change will make him both king and shepherd. Since the demons will be eliminated (sent into the black hole or to some nasty world where humans will be forbidden to go), things won't be quite as evil the second time around (until the demons escape - book 4?). Although Connor, his mother, and Romano will be among the immortals, the mortal sinners won't be, so there'll always be a need for him and his descendants, who will be incredibly long-lived beings. He'll also be the Immortal Sinner, although I still have to come up with a reason to give him that third title.

It's the real reason God chose Connor for the great deeds he has to achieve -- to prepare him for all of the above in the "afterlife". smile

Of course, once someone defies God and goes to the planet of the demons, all Hell breaks loose. Literally, lol.

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It just occurred to me that there is a great reason why Connor looks like his maternal grandfather at the same age. He doesn't just get his looks from his father (zombie De Rosa's DNA), he also gets them from his mother, who carries many of the same genes from the breeding program, only some generations removed. I was going to make her father the one who escaped from the breeding program, but that causes all kinds of potential problems. De Rosa saw the picture of Campagna's father at a young age, when he looked like Connor. If everyone in the breeding program looked alike (not quite twins, but close), then alarm bells should perhaps be going off in Satan's mind.

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If you've seen the image of Connor generated by the AI, I decided that's how I ultimately want Connor to look by the end of book 1. However, i intend to keep him as is for the start of the second draft. So, over the course of the book, he undergoes a metamorphosis that parallels the development of his Christ-like powers.

He'll go from:
Green eyes to intense (glowing) blue
Brown hair to blond
White skin to caramel tan
Slim build, not muscular to a very fit, muscular build

All of those are elements of Connor's appearance that he knows how to adjust.

Now since Connor is ridiculously powerful, there's no way Satan could breed all of those abilities into Connor after only 2000 years. Fortunately, God has his own plans for Connor, so he helps speed up the breeding program by giving Satan's "herd" the powers Satan is looking to breed into them. And since zombie De Rosa is originally from the same program, that allows Satan to have many of the same powers as Connor with which to manipulate the physical world.

Except one of Campagna's ancestors is also from that program, which gives Connor a double dose of certain genes, making him more powerful than Satan in the physical world.

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So where did I leave off with regard to Lesser King Constantino? :-)
Some of this may change as I go forward.

I've worked out that the Lake of Fire does punish those passing through it based on how grave their sins were. Those persons are then reunited with their bodies and transported to a place (usually a planet) that reflects their sins. The worse the sins, the worse the planet. The way I intend to remain (mostly?) consistent with Revelation is by taking the position (articulated by the Father, no less) that those planets are "inside" the Lake of Fire and the mortal sinners who were "thrown" into the lake will never return from there. Hence, they are forever being punished in the Lake of Fire. Tada! tongue

I took it a step further as well. They will remain "alive" and must "toil" on their planets until they develop into true righteous beings. Living forever when you have to work every day to feed and clothe yourself, etc., would be a hard life. Thus, the sane ones eventually choose to stop committing grave sins. Soon thereafter, they are able to "die" and enter a higher spiritual plane (though not Heaven) where their thoughts can subtly influence those mortals who remain alive, nudging them toward righteousness. Enough dead (ascended) righteous beings on a planet will slowly transform it into a righteous paradise for those who remain alive. Now repeat that thousands of times, once per planet, and each planet eventually becomes a paradise. Since these once mortal sinners can reproduce, there will be ever more of them, spread across ever more planets (sent to those places by God), until they spread righteousness across the cosmos (this last part is probably over the top, still thinking about it).

Connor asks God whether any of those beings will ever be allowed into Heaven, and the answer is (probably) no, since I want their souls so that the planets on which they lived all turn into paradises. But, the Father tells Connor he's not averse to additional "rescue missions" to lift some of them out of the Lake of Fire (remember, all those planets are, symbolically, in the lake) and into Heaven. Or, perhaps when their planets and inhabitants have been transformed, then the dead can enter Heaven. I currently lean toward the former.

Connor, whose new body is immortal, will have to rule this entire kingdom initially as Lesser King but will eventually send his children, grandchildren, etc. to all those worlds to rule them as Lesser Princes and Princesses on his behalf. The Father tells him to focus on becoming the Shepherd (spiritual leader) of all those beings. He's to help turn all those grave sinners and their descendants into righteous beings. The task will be much easier than trying to turn all humans currently on Earth into righteous beings since demons won't exist on human planets anymore.

During that conversation, Connor jokingly refers to himself as the Unholy Shepherd. But the Father corrects him and calls him the Holy Shepherd, telling him that the Antichrist no longer exists since Connor's old body, bred by Satan, burned up in the lake of fire. When Connor asks if he'll ever get to Heaven, the Father tells him to remember that the Father chooses his champions wisely (meaning yes), which is the line I used in the epilogue from book one.

Satan, as I mentioned previously, is transported to a moon spiralling into the Milky Way's black hole. Some of his demons may go with him, or all demons (except Satan) will go to a hellish world they can never leave. Unless there's a book four. :-)

The End smile

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Dirk B wrote:

you have to work every day to feed and clothe yourself

Minor q: What's the penalty for killing your neighbour and taking his food and clothes?

Any penalty from eating thy neighbour and/or taking his wife?

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I would imagine imprisonment. Capital punishment would only work if you behead the criminal. I'd love to say that a beheaded criminal doesn't get to the next plane, but then what about when a victim is beheaded? Someone would have to decide if the criminal gets to the spiritual plane. Of course, that requires God, whose off singing Kumbaya with those folks who got to Heaven during the Apocalypse.