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Thanks, George. Why will Christians become 4D creatures? If it's just because Jesus walked through a wall, a far simpler explanation is that he managed to get all of his cells to other side of the wall because a) he's God and can do whatever he likes or b) can leverage quantum physics to pass through solid objects.

Kdot, why -gang (eg. Alessandro-gang)? Is that what you meant?

George, no worries about prior uses of the terms beastlings and wretchlings. I only plan to use the term I choose once, as a diminutive for the jerk bullies. Connor cycles through a host of "little antichrist" synonyms in his mind as he deals with the bullies. So, beastlings from the sea, toddlers of sin, bastard sons of perdition, etc.

I need just the one synonym for abomination of desolation. So far, hemorrhoids of desolation is in the lead.

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Did you ever formally define a 4D or 5D critter?

If by this question you ask were they a specific race, then yes mine were the "Eldren". They were typically 4D beings, and kind of immortal galactic rulers, and somewhat hostile if not indifferent to the mains.

They could slip out of the 3D ("plane" if you will) and observe from outside. It was impossible to withhold secrets as they could necessarily see anything they choose to look at such as the inside of a safe. No walls could stop them should they choose to introduce themselves right into the heart of your fortress. They could also duplicate themselves, if you can picture a 3D person folding a 2D space so he intersects it twice, thus appearing in two different places to a 2D creature.

To counteract their power, I made gravity harmful to them and upped their energy requirements so they need hot stars and will gradually freeze in the deep orbits. This essentially keeps them off Earth-like worlds, giving my cast some breathing room

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Final list (until I change it again):
- antichristlings (instead of little antichrists)
- beastlings from the sea
- toddlers of sin
- dimwits of desolation (I like the alliteration)
- butt pimples of perdition (alliteration on the p)

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

What???? No hemorrhoid stuff!!!!!
Even though dimwits of desolation is pretty good.

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I went for butt pimples over hemorrhoids.

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Minor course correction.

Rather than there being two ancient letters, one from the hermit and the other from Bishop Augustine vouching for him, I'm going to have just one letter, supposedly written by Augustine, documenting his (Augustine's) private revelation (i.e., the vision) with many of the same details as I previously wrote them. Augustine, it seems, intended it to be found only after his death, so he addressed it to Rome, and left it for his assistant to eventually find. The assistant, a corporeal priest, sent the document unopened to Rome, where Satan, a corporeal cardinal and trusted member of the then pope's inner circle, receives it, shows it to the pope, and advises him that only a few trusted people should see it, discuss it, and report back to the pope as to what to do about it.

I'll then add a scene set at the beginning of the book of these trusted cardinals meeting and discussing it shortly after it is received, with Satan steering them toward recommending that the document be filed away for future "consideration" and that there be no copies of the document made, no mention of it to anyone else, no entries by the individual cardinals in their journals, and no other record of it whatsoever.

It then gets put away and eventually ends up in the Vatican Secret Archives, where it is conveniently found by Cardinal Song and one of his assistants (since Song is blind) over fifteen hundred years later. Song would have maneuvered himself into leading the ongoing Church effort to review and release Vatican archive records to the public. Satan could easily update the document several times during the 20th and early 21st century as he watches/steers events of the past century.

Of course, having the aforementioned scene of the ancient cardinals meeting and discussing the document will be impossible to make even remotely accurate for those times, so I'll have to settle for not getting anything too egregiously wrong. :-)

I probably won't even show the whole document in the book and simply have much of it discussed (both in the past and the present) by key characters + include carefully crafted quotes from the document to use as epigraphs at the tops of chapters, quoting Augustine. Each quote would, of course, be something Satan wrote, but with me (author of the novels) presenting it as quotes from Augustine, with no mention during the novel that the quotes are fake until the end of the book when De Rosa admits to Romano that the Augustinian document was part of the subterfuge.

Much simpler. And less like a data dump, although I'm still glad I wrote the two letters since I can use them to help steer the conversation and craft the quotes.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Sorry, I'm a little late in responding.
You wrote:
[It then gets put away and eventually ends up in the Vatican Secret Archives, where it is conveniently found by Cardinal Song and one of his assistants (since Song is blind) over fifteen hundred years later. Song would have maneuvered himself into leading the ongoing Church effort to review and release Vatican archive records to the public. Satan could easily update the document several times during the 20th and early 21st century as he watches/steers events of the past century.]

How can Satan 'easily update' this document? I'm assuming they use ink which can be dated. He can't really erase anything.

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Satan wrote the original in the late 4th century. He or Cardinal Song or one of their minions at the Vatican could easily be in a position to replace the original with a modern forgery (that's what document forgers are for). Although the latter wouldn't stand up to sophisticated scrutiny, it merely needs to look right. Since Cardinal Song is the one who brings it to the attention of the Council of Cardinals, he can claim he had it tested. Based on those test results, it's a late 4th century document with 4th century ink and with handwriting that is a perfect match for other documents known to have been written by Augustine, whereas it would simply be the latest forgery of the original containing "predictions" of future events that had already passed when Satan drafted the rewrite of the ancient original. They could even go a step further, which is to zombify the usual document expert (and the forger, for that matter) that the Vatican relies on for the aforementioned tests. Is Satan a sneaky devil, or what? :-)

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

As I mentioned in a post some time ago, I'm seriously considering changing Connor from being "the Lord returning as a child instead of the man Jesus everyone expected" to "a second incarnation of the Lord in a different human being". This would allow me to say that the Bible's documented end times events involving the return of Jesus will all remain valid, but that Connor is a second incarnation in a final act of grace to bring as many people to God as possible before Christ's return. Connor's role would not be the forgiveness of sins since, in theory, Christ has that covered. Connor would simply bring people into the Catholic Church, where (corrupt) priests give invalid absolutions.

The down side of this approach is that, although Connor can "remember" things from Christ's life because they are both in hypostatic unions with the Lord, I'm not sure it's as compelling since Connor would be trying to remember Christ's past (a different human being), not Connor's own ancient past. The latter is a fairly common trope in stories involving reincarnation. So in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, where Connor seems to regain his memories of his past life but screws up as to which route through the Old City the original Christ took to his crucifixion, it seems a little more forgivable if he doesn't get it right since Connor isn't claiming he was there, although one would think he would get it right at the Holy Sepulcher since he's now fully aware of the presence of the Lord within him.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

A key question is whether Connor as a potential second incarnation of God would make you more inclined to think he might be the AC than him being a potential returned Christ in a different body. Although most people didn't see the climax coming, MJ definitely did. In fact, she was the only person who figured it out without any clues from me. Elysse did too once they were on the plane back to Rome from the Holy Land.

Since Jesus warned of false Christs, Connor supposedly being Christ would, I think, make many Christians think of the AC, provided they remember Jesus's warning. Connor potentially being a second incarnation is sufficiently different, it might be less obvious that he might be the AC.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Cool. I realized as I attempted to convert my existing writeup-in-progress to use a second incarnation (as opposed to a reincarnation) that I've eliminated most if not all discrepancies between the Bible and the story, eliminating any need to explain why discrepancies are happening. Since Connor as a second incarnation isn't mentioned in the Bible, there will be no discrepancies. All events in Revelation can unfold exactly as written in the Bible, at least until roughly the end of book 3. Christ will return in book 3 as prophesied. Connor will end up in the Lake of Fire, although he technically throws himself in. And all mortal sinners, Satan, his demons, etc. will end up there as well, teleported to other worlds of course, with no ability to return, meaning they're technically "in" the lake forever. Connor will be able to travel freely, though, since he ceased being the Antichrist when he burned up his first (corrupt) body in the lake, which also breaks him completely free of Satan since he'll no longer have the gene that enslaves him to dear old dad.

The new writeup is going to be much shorter, although it requires trashing all the work I did to have Augustine explain key parts of his holy vision as succinctly as I could, but it was still too complex anyway. Good riddance.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Dirk B wrote:

As I mentioned in a post some time ago, I'm seriously considering changing Connor from being "the Lord returning as a child instead of the man Jesus everyone expected" to "a second incarnation of the Lord in a different human being". This would allow me to say that the Bible's documented end times events involving the return of Jesus will all remain valid, but that Connor is a second incarnation in a final act of grace to bring as many people to God as possible before Christ's return. Connor's role would not be the forgiveness of sins since, in theory, Christ has that covered. Connor would simply bring people into the Catholic Church, where (corrupt) priests give invalid absolutions.

'Good' lie. I like it. But you must deal with Matthew 24:23
Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the [a]Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him.

You can say what you just mention - He's not trying to save you; he's just trying to bring you to the Catholic church.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Although Connor will remain supernatural, his (fake) role is rather like John the Baptist, preparing the world for the (second) coming of Christ. I love the solution of him being a second incarnation of the Lord, rather than a reincarnation. Seems like a minor difference, but it solves a lot of problems. And, technically, he won't claim to be Christ, so Matthew 24:23 shouldn't be an issue. It definitely will alter important scenes, though. For example, when Connor appears on the balcony at St. Peter's at the end to address the adoring crowds, they previously went nuts because they accepted he was Christ, especially when he told them they (those present) had achieved eternal life.

I wonder how much will break. :-)

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Dirk B wrote:

The down side of this approach is that, although Connor can "remember" things from Christ's life because they are both in hypostatic unions with the Lord, I'm not sure it's as compelling since Connor would be trying to remember Christ's past (a different human being), not Connor's own ancient past. The latter is a fairly common trope in stories involving reincarnation. So in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, where Connor seems to regain his memories of his past life but screws up as to which route through the Old City the original Christ took to his crucifixion, it seems a little more forgivable if he doesn't get it right since Connor isn't claiming he was there, although one would think he would get it right at the Holy Sepulcher since he's now fully aware of the presence of the Lord within him.

This is interesting. I found out with an AI assistant: The concept of the Antichrist varies across different religious texts and interpretations, and there is no definitive answer regarding whether the Antichrist will be ancient.

Therefore, what fits your story better? An ancient Antichrist or a recent one?

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

>>Therefore, what fits your story better? An ancient Antichrist or a recent one?
I'm not sure what you mean.

Connor is (supposedly) in hypostatic union with God (the Son) as is Jesus. In my story, the AC didn't exist prior to the birth of the little demon-spawn. In Connor's case, he'd be claiming to have been in hypostatic union with the Son since Connor's birth. Although his soul is ancient (Adam), that element of Connor's existence isn't revealed until the very end of book one (with Adam's identity revealed to Connor at the end of book 2). When he's attacked in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, it supposedly gives him access to the Son's "memories", which would include those of Jesus. Indeed, the whole time they're in the Holy Land, he'll seem to experience snippets of Jesus's life as the tour group moves from site to site (the same as he did in the first draft). Ostensibly, the reason he experiences these is because he's in union with the Son, who is in union with Christ.

Even as I wrote about Adam in the above paragraph, I realized that means Connor, who is physically just 14 years old, will claim to be the 2nd incarnation of God, in hypostatic union with the Son (for those past 14 years) and indirectly also with Christ, but Connor's soul once belonged to Adam. If that doesn't make your head spin, I don't know what will. :-)  Fortunately, he will have ceased pretending to be the 2nd incarnation around the latter half of book 2, and he'll learn about Adam at the climax of book 2.

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I was about to write that I'm waffling about whether Connor should be Christ or a second incarnation. I was leaning back toward Christ because I think it's a more compelling story element, but I just realized that Connor could do all the things he did previously in the first draft, making everyone conclude that he is definitely Christ when, in fact, he'll later claim he's a second incarnation, coming to save more souls before the return of Christ. Now, if he really were the 2nd incarnation of the Lord, Connor would have access to some of Jesus's memories via the hypostatic unions. He would experience things in the Holy Land  caused by incomplete memories popping into his mind from Jesus.

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Also, Connor (aka the second incarnation) would be better suited to bring other religions (non-Christians) than would Christ, especially because he is a major figure in Islam, though not the Son of God.

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One added quirk to all this is that I have to explain about the discrepancies that will eventually arise between the Bible and the story world.

EDIT: I have thee ways to do this:
1. Augustine (or rather the author of the scroll, Satan) acknowledges in his letter to the pope that things will differ, potentially invalidating parts of the Bible, which should be impossible, but Augustine says he doesn't know why it will happen, but it will. And the Holy Spirit told him it would all be explained by the Lord once he returns.
2. Take advantage of the fact that no verse in the Bible claims the Lord will return as an adult, so he could return as a child, grow to be an adult, and then (supposedly) the Day of the Lord can proceed.
3. Technically, there should be no discrepancies between the Bible and the story world if the Lord returns as both Christ and Connor.

In all cases, it'll be important that I don't write anything that rules out Connor being a second incarnation, even as I lead the reader/characters down a path that looks like Christ is returning as a child.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Dirk B wrote:

>>Therefore, what fits your story better? An ancient Antichrist or a recent one?
I'm not sure what you mean.

Connor is (supposedly) in hypostatic union with God (the Son) as is Jesus. In my story, the AC didn't exist prior to the birth of the little demon-spawn. In Connor's case, he'd be claiming to have been in hypostatic union with the Son since Connor's birth. Although his soul is ancient (Adam), that element of Connor's existence isn't revealed until the very end of book one (with Adam's identity revealed to Connor at the end of book 2). When he's attacked in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, it supposedly gives him access to the Son's "memories", which would include those of Jesus. Indeed, the whole time they're in the Holy Land, he'll seem to experience snippets of Jesus's life as the tour group moves from site to site (the same as he did in the first draft). Ostensibly, the reason he experiences these is because he's in union with the Son, who is in union with Christ.

Even as I wrote about Adam in the above paragraph, I realized that means Connor, who is physically just 14 years old, will claim to be the 2nd incarnation of God, in hypostatic union with the Son (for those past 14 years) and indirectly also with Christ, but Connor's soul once belonged to Adam. If that doesn't make your head spin, I don't know what will. :-)  Fortunately, he will have ceased pretending to be the 2nd incarnation around the latter half of book 2, and he'll learn about Adam at the climax of book 2.

The hypostatic union may or may not exist between Connor and the Trinity. There is no consensus on this, and yes, I know this is not a theology story. So do whatever is the easiest or most exciting. I personally have a hard time with the AC having any kind of union with the Trinity. But that's me. It makes for a good argument that he gains snippets of life 2000 years ago. And of course, these can be lies or things fed to him by demon helpers.

I hope this helps.

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You're misunderstanding me. Connor, were he really a second incarnation of the Lord, would be in union with God the same way Jesus is in union with God. Naturally, he's going to fake it.

Also, he doesn't need demon helpers. He's intimately familiar with the Bible. Has to be to pull off his scam.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

More refinement needed. Since there are a rather overwhelming number of verses that speak to their being only one incarnation of the Son of God, where "Son of the God" refers to the spiritual being that proceeds from the Father, I can't make Connor a second incarnation. Even the Holy Spirit incarnating as Connor is problematic (the weight of Catholic thought is that Christ is the only incarnation of God). So, Connor is not an incarnation of God but rather the ultimate "manifestation" of the Holy Spirit, for the end times. He's still human, but the Spirit within him is so powerful it's unlike anyone who has ever lived, not including Christ of course. His role is akin to John the Baptist on supernatural steroids (one final, almighty push by God to prepare the human race for the Second Coming and save as many souls as possible). Naturally, he is not really that manifestation either; he's still just a demon-spawn with an ancient soul, pretending to be Godlike in a way that doesn't contradict Christian beliefs and the Bible.

The fly in the ointment here is that I would really like be able to keep open the question of whether Connor is Christ. He would give signs of being Christ returned as a boy but deny it until some point after everyone is convinced he really is Christ. So, Augustine's letter keeps getting shorter and shorter. Augustine will say his vision showed him a child with Godlike powers coming from Heaven for the end times (exact wording needs to imply he may be Christ returned as a boy). Augustine can then comment that there are no verses anywhere in the Bible that rule out Christ returning as a boy, not even Acts 1:11. He can then state he doesn't know how this is possible, but that the Holy Spirit assured him the Lord would explain it upon his return.

But why would Christ return as a boy? What advantage could there be? Story-wise, it would allow me to let Connor pretend to be Christ throughout the Holy Land tour, which would keep everyone off kilter. But if he's supposed to be a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, what advantage would there be for the AC to pretend otherwise in the Holy Land? Why not just show signs of being the HS? Other than the entertainment I'm trying to provide with the books, of course.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Holy iterations, Batman. Nailed it! Connor is neither Christ, nor a 2nd incarnation of the Son, nor the ultimate manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

Connor is the "Staff of Christ", where Christ is the shepherd, who uses his staff in one last, urgent attempt to bring as many sheep (humans) into the shelter (God's house) as possible before the coming storm (the End Times).

As the Staff of Christ, it makes perfect sense that he would embody Christlike qualities and even have access to Christ's memories. He is not just like Christ; he is a direct, active extension of Christ's being and will, infused with Christ's character and knowledge. This reinforces Connor's "divine" origin and purpose. And this approach allows Connor to travel the Holy Land, having more or less the same experiences as in the first draft, with the same twist at the end.

No existing Scripture (about the Staff of Christ, in this case) to worry about, which is what kept blowing my earlier representations of Connor (as Christ, the Son, the Holy Spirit, etc.), out of the water. He'll still act the same, appearing increasingly as if he were Christ returned as a boy, all to keep the reader and the characters wondering if he is.

Now to figure out what remaining role Augustine's letter should play (mainly to steer the reader/characters into thinking Connor may be Christ). The beauty of that letter is it doesn't have to be correct since the reader will learn who wrote it not long after Connor reveals himself to be the staff and gains private access to the pope.

Amen!