Re: New Writing Contest

I don't think three rules: closed room murder and two fan fic characters is that restrictive. That's three rules, really. No mention of specific genre. Or specific POV. I like the idea.

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Re: New Writing Contest

So, like the Sherlock Holmes in Oz story?  Can a milieu serve as one side of the fanfic (e.g. Yoda in the Enderverse)?

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Re: New Writing Contest

One of the most famous contests every year is the "It was a dark and stormy night..." contest. I absolutely love those contests. Some of the entries are extremely funny, and some a entirely sober, but so inept and inane that you have to laugh. It's a great way to let off steam and get all the bad writing out of your system.

Here's is the LINK: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

My $0.03 (adjusted for inflation)

~Tom

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The word 'lampshade' is used as a verb for naming things in ways that announce things.  For example, Girl Genius has villains with names like Lucrezia Mongfish and Zola Anya Telinka Zeblinka Malfeazium.  (I think I'm missing a middle name in there.)  You could have a lampshading contest.

Re: New Writing Contest

SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Tom Oldman wrote:

One of the most famous contests every year is the "It was a dark and stormy night..." contest. I absolutely love those contests. Some of the entries are extremely funny, and some a entirely sober, but so inept and inane that you have to laugh. It's a great way to let off steam and get all the bad writing out of your system.

Here's is the LINK: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

My $0.03 (adjusted for inflation)

~Tom

Except for the presumption of Bulwer-Lytton as a bad writer is absurdly false, and absurd, too, that his first line of Paul Clifford (1830) is poorly written even in the context of today let alone of his times:

It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents - except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.

Two "purplish" words, scanty and struggled within a well-constructed, informative, descriptive, and inviting introduction.

Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Another case addressing  Alice Randall's "The Wind Done Gone" had an opposite ruling. The link provided below highlights the difference between the cases for anyone interested. Take care. Vern

http://reporter.rit.edu/views/fanfictio … creativity

Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Salinger, et al. vs John Done, et al. is not decided yet, and the judge's decision to stop the publication of a sequel to Catcher in the Rye in the USA was vacated upon the decision was appealed. I don't understand why the conclusion that fanfic is theft of intellectual property.

Re: New Writing Contest

vern wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Another case addressing  Alice Randall's "The Wind Done Gone" had an opposite ruling. The link provided below highlights the difference between the cases for anyone interested. Take care. Vern

http://reporter.rit.edu/views/fanfictio … creativity

The distinction dithers on the parody/satire/criticism exception that almost never applies to Fanfic, and Salinger is a later decision, though not to the Appellate level,  and dismissed arguments for parody exception -- which in detail was obvious, for it was an unauthorized sequel, and The Wind Done Gone is obviously a distorted, exaggerated version to emphasize contempt for GWTW.   

To meet this legal bar, the specifics of the contest would have to require a parody/satirical nature.

Re: New Writing Contest

Mariana Reuter wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
SolN wrote:

How about a closed room murder that must also combine two fanfics that would never go together? I'm liking the idea.

Fanfic is theft of intellectual property. Salinger, et al. vs. John Doe, et al. U.S. District Court, NY. (2010)

Salinger, et al. vs John Done, et al. is not decided yet, and the judge's decision to stop the publication of a sequel to Catcher in the Rye in the USA was vacated upon the decision was appealed. I don't understand why the conclusion that fanfic is theft of intellectual property.

AFAIK The decision has not been appealed in U.S. Appellate (and then SCOTUS)  and stands as upholding the original injunction and gave the plaintiff two court decision in their favor against publication of the stolen property.

Fanfic prima facie  is obviously rip-off of original material. Lucasfilms thinks that, but legally it is a matter of cost-v-benefit in which avid positive fandom expressed through fanfic can be considered an economic benefit. Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:
Tom Oldman wrote:

One of the most famous contests every year is the "It was a dark and stormy night..." contest. I absolutely love those contests. Some of the entries are extremely funny, and some a entirely sober, but so inept and inane that you have to laugh. It's a great way to let off steam and get all the bad writing out of your system.

Here's is the LINK: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

My $0.03 (adjusted for inflation)

~Tom

Except for the presumption of Bulwer-Lytton as a bad writer is absurdly false, and absurd, too, that his first line of Paul Clifford (1830) is poorly written even in the context of today let alone of his times:

It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents - except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness.

Two "purplish" words, scanty and struggled within a well-constructed, informative, descriptive, and inviting introduction.

Why double-post me, Charles? Wouldn't once have made your point? I mean, starchy is one thing, but a full-court press is another. Writing is supposed to be fun, not a Doctoral dissertation. Loosen up a little.

~Tom

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Re: New Writing Contest

Tom Oldman wrote:

Why double-post me, Charles? Wouldn't once have made your point? I mean, starchy is one thing, but a full-court press is another. Writing is supposed to be fun, not a Doctoral dissertation. Loosen up a little.

~Tom

Sorry, either it was an forced error caused by a glitch, or I was replying to the post before it but clicked the wrong "quote" link (or something unintentional like that).  Notice, if I had clicked on "quote" again, I would have sent it through a third time but didn't.  I also noticed rather  than taking any opportunity to respond essentially, you chose to assume I was evil and not fallible, and you bitched.

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Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:

  Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

Oh! I'm feeling sooo very bad right now! I enjoyed Gregory Maguire's Wicked both at the theatre and when I read the book. Had I known it was L. Frank Baum's morally stolen material, I would have stayed away from it.

I also feeling sooo disappointed because the society, by and large, acclaimed it as a Broadway hit. How deep has society descended if it praises moral theft? That should be the reason why Trump got elected, our society is upside down.

But, who am I to complain? A one girl who should have had a regular American name had she been American? Another of the TNBW authors who must consider looking up the proper use of italics in the CMS? One of those incompetent authors who hires editors?

Tsk, tsk. Just thinking I wrote years ago some Cats fanfic makes me suicidal.

Kiss

Gacela

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Re: New Writing Contest

Mariana Reuter wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

  Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

Oh! I'm feeling sooo very bad right now! I enjoyed Gregory Maguire's Wicked both at the theatre and when I read the book. Had I known it was L. Frank Baum's morally stolen material, I would have stayed away from it.

I also feeling sooo disappointed because the society, by and large, acclaimed it as a Broadway hit. How deep has society descended if it praises moral theft? That should be the reason why Trump got elected, our society is upside down.

But, who am I to complain? A one girl who should have had a regular American name had she been American? Another of the TNBW authors who must consider looking up the proper use of italics in the CMS? One of those incompetent authors who hires editors?

Tsk, tsk. Just thinking I wrote years ago some Cats fanfic makes me suicidal.

Kiss

Gacela

BIG LOL GACEIA..SATIRE WOULD BE ILLEGAL THEN.
BIG KISS GACEIA

I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE A CLOSED ROOM CRIME AND NOT JUST MURDER.

smile

Re: New Writing Contest

I like the old joke about finding two corpses on a damp rug surrounded by broken glass. Turns out they were goldfish and the cat tipped over their bowl.

The closed room idea has merit. I'll have to think about that some.

~Tom

Re: New Writing Contest

CFB wrote:

To meet this legal bar, the specifics of the contest would have to require a parody/satirical nature.

Although I don't particularly care for the fanfic idea, it seems that almost any depiction of two opposing fictional characters who would normally never meet could/would be considered parody/satirical in nature. However, the obvious solution to the gray area being considered for the contest (for any who would want to someday publish outside tnbw) is to simply not use it.Take care. Vern

Re: New Writing Contest

Mariana Reuter wrote:
Charles_F_Bell wrote:

  Nevertheless, fanfic is morally theft.

Oh! I'm feeling sooo very bad right now! I enjoyed Gregory Maguire's Wicked both at the theatre and when I read the book. Had I known it was L. Frank Baum's morally stolen material, I would have stayed away from it.


I am not surprised that any other's individual right to life, liberty, and property is not something rolling around in your head. Baum's copyrights to his books started in 1900 have expired, and the practicality of eternal ownership of an ephemeral property like an idea after death is as arbitrary as law can be in its recognition of it, but the right of property and the recognition of an idea as a kind of property is so crucial to individual liberty in moral principle, it was put into the U.S. Constitution in the outset before the Bill of Rights and the right of free speech and due process of law, for what is moral is not the opposite of what is practical.

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Re: New Writing Contest

But see Mickey Mouse Copyright.

Re: New Writing Contest

njc wrote:

But see Mickey Mouse Copyright.

Do you mean the distinction between corporate trademarking of an image which is perpetual and an individual's copyright of art that can have a long life but not perpetual after death because the assumption is that a corporation is chartered into perpetuity and a human being cannot be so? Why is a drug patent seven years and Disney's Micky Mouse copyright was 96 years? A patent on a product is seen as most productive within a short time span, but the economic benefit from art may not accrue even within the lifetime of the artist -- in traditional sensibility, that is, and not in the phenomenon of Pop music which is rather more like a patented packaged manufactured product.

Re: New Writing Contest

Charles_F_Bell wrote:
njc wrote:

But see Mickey Mouse Copyright.

Do you mean the distinction between corporate trademarking of an image which is perpetual and an individual's copyright of art that can have a long life but not perpetual after death because the assumption is that a corporation is chartered into perpetuity and a human being cannot be so? Why is a drug patent seven years and Disney's Micky Mouse copyright was 96 years? A patent on a product is seen as most productive within a short time span, but the economic benefit from art may not accrue even within the lifetime of the artist -- in traditional sensibility, that is, and not in the phenomenon of Pop music which is rather more like a patented packaged manufactured product.

Disney has lobbied for and gotten several extensions for the Mickey Mouse copyright, but it will still run out unless extended through further palm greasing by Disney. But even without an extension of the copyright, Mickey Mouse has been trademarked up to his eyeballs and characteristic ears and thus the very mention of Mickey Mouse is now considered by many to be synonymous with corporate Disney. Therefore, Mickey Mouse may likely never enter the public domain as long as the trademark is renewed. Should Disney go bust and/or forget to renew the numerous trademarks, then the immortal Mickey will enter the public domain. Take care. Vern

Re: New Writing Contest

njc wrote:

The word 'lampshade' is used as a verb for naming things in ways that announce things.  For example, Girl Genius has villains with names like Lucrezia Mongfish and Zola Anya Telinka Zeblinka Malfeazium.  (I think I'm missing a middle name in there.)  You could have a lampshading contest.

I thought a lampshade plot point is a silly, arbitrary turn in plot because the story dead-ended. TV dramas going into a second season often do this within that season because the concept for the pilot only had enough story to get the show purchased. Dallas famously had to declare the entire season in which Bobby left the show by dying was a dream.

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The US Constitution gives Congress the power to grant monopolies to the creators of works FOR A LIMITED TIME.  But that limited time is increased over and over again at the behest of Disney, creating a de facto perpetual monopoly.  SCOTUS refused to strike it down, but if the pattern continues, it might come before SCOTUS again, and if SCOTUS has four strong textualists or strict constructionists, the result might be different.  But that's years down the road.

Re: New Writing Contest

njc wrote:

The US Constitution gives Congress the power to grant monopolies to the creators of works FOR A LIMITED TIME.  But that limited time is increased over and over again at the behest of Disney, creating a de facto perpetual monopoly.  SCOTUS refused to strike it down, but if the pattern continues, it might come before SCOTUS again, and if SCOTUS has four strong textualists or strict constructionists, the result might be different.  But that's years down the road.


Disney just happened to be a beneficiary of the Sonny Bono Law which extended all copyrights to his entertainment-industry pals.  LIMITED TIME can mean a century if that is what Congress wants. Too bad SCOTUS did not give the absolute constitutional prerogative that belongs to Congress over citizenship, too.

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The point isn't that it's a century (or whatever) but that it is perpetually increased, which negates the intention on 'limited time'.

Re: New Writing Contest

njc wrote:

The point isn't that it's a century (or whatever) but that it is perpetually increased, which negates the intention on 'limited time'.

There is distinction between being perpetually increased, and historically it has been made longer and longer, and being made perpetual. The only way a strict-constructionist Court could invalidate such law is if it explicitly made copyrights perpetual and unending. Judges and Justices are not mullahs knowing from God what the right duration is.