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That is really neat, K. I think I've actually been trying to do that type of outline in my head, but with each character individually. (Madame has been running rampant in my mind for about two days) I can't write in a character without knowing all their "why"s and once I start on the "why", my imagination takes over and before I know it, there's a whole plot centered around them.

Trying to put my focus back on Maya & Merrin (next chapter), but it isn't working out so well. I think I might follow Amy's example and go write some of Vierra and Noi's Madame-related scenes.

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K's Formula of Threes lends itself to a certain pacing.  It doesn't seem to lend itself to the accumulation of different influences, or to multifaceted relationships, or to the sort of slow build that you've been doing.  In other words, it's likely to shape your style.  If your build is too leisurely for you taste, K's approach may speed it so much that you'll lose the color and flavor that makes your story and your telling special.

Sorry, K.

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And here I was thinking my pacing was too fast and needed a breather. tongue I've come to the conclusion that I am simply a chaotic writer who throws characters into a room at random and cackles like an evil witch when things blow up.

I've also come to the conclusion that it is difficult to write descriptive scenes while also simultaneously learning Cisco & HP terminal commands. Argh...

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To the latter point, I agree.

Your story pace is measured.  Some will find it a bit slow, but I would be careful about cutting too much.  You could be a little more economical with words, but not with events and setting that the words make up.

I'm the opposite.

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@Amy: Half of ninety. Don't say I never give a straight answer

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K's approach may speed it so much that you'll lose the color and flavor that makes your story and your telling special

He's right. You will lose the pace that makes your story special.

It will be replaced by a pace that also makes your story special.

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Elisheva Free wrote:

I can't write in a character without knowing all their "why"s and once I start on the "why", my imagination takes over and before I know it, there's a whole plot centered around them.

Well, near the end of =Perelandra= (book before =That Hideous Strength=) there is a chapter on The Great Dance.  Read that chapter.  It's very relevant to your 'threads in the tapestry' dilemma.

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I need some assistance in coming up with appropriate curse words. I would prefer to save sh*t and f*ck for when characters are either really pissed off, or really screwed, so I kind of need some in-between curse words. Elementalism (This sounds funny. I might change it later.) is the main religion and they believe in reincarnation, so I can't exactly use "damn" and "Hell" when characters are cursing. All I've come up with so far is "by the Eternal" and "Eternal's breath", but even that was half-stolen from my favorite video game series.


-Elisheva

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Hmm.  Amy gave up on "Ghen's glowing green wanker" and went with phrases like 'clot and rot'.  I've got a strict rule that sorcerers do not curse--but that doesn't mean the don't say 'Thunder and Water' or 'frothing Chaos'.

Leaving aside such things as pig guts and pond scum ... tell us a bit about your world's magical foundation.

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In my world, there are two types of magic: Runes and the Arcane Arts. There are specialties in each. Runes I haven't delved into too much since it isn't quite so relevant for The Colorless Dragons, but it is very common magic. The emberstone lanterns I keep mentioning are an example of Rune magic. Runes are carved into the lantern, imbuing the light with different hues or having the lanterns brighten as the suns set/dim as the suns rise. Rune magic is regularly practiced in certain professions (artificers being one of these).

The Arcane Arts are closer to actual magic as they involve the direct control of the Elements of Fire, Water, Air, and Earth without the use of inscriptions. Life and Death are also included, but they have extenuating circumstances. The Arts themselves are creation, manipulation, infliction, and communion. An Arcanist typically specializes in one or two Arts and one Element. For example, Braeik is a Water-infliction Arcanist, meaning that he can change his body's composition (or that of any other living thing) to water or ice. See Ch. 12 for a poorly described example.

On top of this, all magic uses Arcane energy, which comes from a Source (which constantly produces energy) or Reliquary (a temporary container for energy). Only some have the skill to manipulate Arcane energy and of those, few are tested and trained, which is why Arcanists are so rare.

I think you got me ranting, NJC... Hope that wasn't too much information. smile


-Elisheva

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Elisheva Free wrote:

I need some assistance in coming up with appropriate curse words. I would prefer to save sh*t and f*ck for when characters are either really pissed off, or really screwed, so I kind of need some in-between curse words. Elementalism (This sounds funny. I might change it later.) is the main religion and they believe in reincarnation, so I can't exactly use "damn" and "Hell" when characters are cursing. All I've come up with so far is "by the Eternal" and "Eternal's breath", but even that was half-stolen from my favorite video game series.


-Elisheva

Damn, there goes my suggestions to hell. I'll leave this to the professionals then.

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Personally, I'm super happy to be back in a universe where people can swear normally again.

You wouldn't believe how much pain it is editing out our swearing substitutes (like "Oh brother") and making sure that when my characters say sh*t they are actually talking about excrement. When someone describing his wife as having "uneartly beauty" doesn't make sense if your characters haven't heard of Earth.

Total pain in the neck!

Anyway, I notice you're headed in the direction that the characters cuss about magic. But you have other options.

Maybe they cuss about an animal that used to eat them at some point in their evolutonary history. For example, the Dingo. They might go "Holy bite from a Dingo" or "get out of town ya Dingo lover". (PS if you _bite_ into this idea, don't actually use Dingo. Use something cool like "kodo" (shortened from komodo) or "turt" (shortened from turtle))

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Kdot wrote:

Maybe they cuss about an animal that used to eat them at some point in their evolutonary history. For example, the Dingo. They might go "Holy bite from a Dingo" or "get out of town ya Dingo lover". (PS if you _bite_ into this idea, don't actually use Dingo. Use something cool like "kodo" (shortened from komodo) or "turt" (shortened from turtle))

For a second, I thought "Hey, that could totally work for my Elvish characters since they live in the wilderness with various elemental & mythological creatures", but then I couldn't come up with anything specific. Apparently, I'm just not very good at cursing... or insulting people. hmm


-Elisheva

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Invent failed or corrupted magic, and use that for your curses?

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Here are a few ideas mixing your story and mine.

Archanist ass (pick on the profession)
Beaten and broken! Rotten runes! (Double hard consonant)

Ex in my material...Always pick short words whenever possible (clot and rot)

Rhyme...curses in churches/ hells and big banging bells  ( dragons in wagons?)

Historical reference (Saundon's breath!). (Clot and rot is a reference to the death inflicted by Zylph and is used by people outside the church who don't understand the reference)

Body parts in reference to deities (Behiras tits) with these, I mixed a nonsense name with a known profanity.

Don't use f**k and sh*t. 1) they are crude. 2) they date your work (not common in text until recently) 3) it shows lack of imagination.

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I work in trauma. Swearing is like breathing.

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Dragon Balls!  Rat spit!

You can also take mythic figures from your history: Bloody Caesar!  Arthur's Eyes!  That may help you introduce myth that is important to your story.

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Thanks, Amy & NJC. That helps a lot. The more I look into it, the more I realize that nearly all swear words have some sort of origin story. I have a feeling I'll be working on mythology this weekend. smile


-Elisheva

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Alright, so I've had a few people comment on the Empress and Madame, and there appears to be some confusion. These are two separate people. One being the evil ruler of the Empire and the other is simply a very powerful noblewoman who goes by the nickname "Madame". Is it the nickname that's throwing everyone off, or is it my descriptions? Should I be changing her name or somehow clarifying this separation in one of my chapters?


-Elisheva

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I didn't have a problem ... but you could give them proper names.  Or have hadae mention the Empress in the third person.

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Madame's name isn't spoken for a reason, but I suppose I could give the Empress a name along with her title.

Name generators are my best friends...

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Or have one of those nobles mention the Empress in the third person ... and Madame say something that makes it clear that The Empress is indeed an absent third person.

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the prob is that 'Madame' is a form of address. You are doing something similar to the Musketeers, where I think a character is only known as Milady.

You just have to make a character address Madame as such. Make it into conversation where someone says, "Madame! The Empress is coming! What do I do?"

Then they become separate people.

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It is morning and I am awake!! big_smile

So... I just switched to a morning shift, which is going to take some getting used to. My only free time lately has been my commute, so I keep making notes on plot ideas rather than writing. Hopefully I'll get used to this new schedule soon and pump out another couple chapters. smile


-Elisheva

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Elisheva Free wrote:

It is morning and I am awake!! big_smile

So... I just switched to a morning shift, which is going to take some getting used to. My only free time lately has been my commute, so I keep making notes on plot ideas rather than writing. Hopefully I'll get used to this new schedule soon and pump out another couple chapters. smile


-Elisheva

You have my sympathies. We've switched from 4x10hr days per week to 5x8hr days and my whole routine has been turned upside down.