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Jack the Knife, If you think there's a message that should be "delivered" to me, please speak plainly. What is it? What am I doing wrong? I've never reviewed people's work before Feb 2017 so it's a relatively new activity for me. When I review, I give greatly of myself and review the work to the best of my ability with constructive observations. If I'm doing it incorrectly, someone might clue me in with some clarifying, non-accusatory input. A number of writers on this site have thanked me for my insight. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make you right.

Dill Carver, I have absolutely no respect for you, whatsoever. If I ever see your name again it will be too soon. You are no-holds-barred mean which, to my mind, doesn't have it's place on this site. How dare you accuse me of playing the victim! You live in your own world, and I'm just glad I live in mine. Adios muchacho!

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Dagnee, I just read your post way far up the line here. I'm so sorry to understand that you took me to mean that I would tear someone's work apart. The "you" I was speaking of was someone else. I was speaking to the person who did it to me recently: thrust the knife into the belly of my piece, without offering any clarification, and then patted me on the head with a "good job."
I edited out the phrase from my original post, because it was distracting from the point I was trying to make.
No good can come of tearing someone's work apart, and I do not believe I am guilty of doing so.

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All this because I dared to share my opinion that the phrase "Good job!" is patronizing, and I didn't give your prize-winning vignette a rave review. tsk tsk

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And another thing - If you think I'm going to waste my time reading your diatribes, you're badly mistaken.

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I'm here to further my writing skills, not wage petty war with ridiculous people.
You don't like my opinions - fine, go on with your day.
You don't want me to review your work, just let me know. I won't. No skin off my nose.
Just keep at it. The only person you're exposing is yourself.

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Good for you!

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Dill Carver, I have blocked you. You are the most poisonous, destructive person I come upon in a long while. Why you feel the necessity to attack others when they're vulnerable only you know. Karen

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Dill! You're a riot!!!
It goes to show, the sky's the limit when it comes to personal perspective on this site.

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Marilyn, I still say -- who are we to determine what "a good job" is for the person we're reviewing?
Why not say: You held my attention. The piece flowed well. Why tamp the praise down by observing to this other adult, who likely labored long, thankless hours to produce the work, that they did "a good job"?
It's really not THAT big of a deal, but I'd like just for once for someone on these opinion fests to simply say, "I get what you're talking about."

Like the joke about the dog: Always a good dog, never a great one!

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Randall and Vern, You misunderstand. Of course we're giving each other suggestions.
I'm talking about the phrase itself. "Good job!" sounds like you're patting a puppy on the head. The reviewer is "treating with apparent kindness while betraying a feeling of superiority," taken from the definition of patronizing.
Vern, your phrase, "A good job overall" doesn't have the same bite. Although I could call it damning with faint praise.
Anyways, we all have our opinions. And that's all they are -- opinions.

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Something I've noticed -- something I've been guilty of -- telling someone they've done a "Good job!" is patronizing. I for one won't be using the phrase again.

The issue of having the option of giving someone else one or more of your own points has come up before not too long ago. I'm on Scribophile as well where you can do this. Someone reviewed a piece of mine and blew it wide open for me. Like I hadn't understood what I was really writing about until I got their feedback. To show appreciation, I gave them one of my points (as well as reviewed something of theirs). Simple as that. The computer programming necessary may not be as simple.

As far as a reviewer ranking: What are we going to rank? How many reviews someone has done? What if a reviewer does the minimum and other people spend a lot more time going above and beyond? What if one person's feedback, no matter how many observations they make, is more valuable than someone else's to any given writer? How will we measure that? Who cares? If you don't review, you can't post. Clear as day. I'm here to improve my writing skills. But if some of you want the competition, I have no objections personally, I'll simply ignore the whole thing.

As far as accruing points: I have .77 at the moment. I'm relatively new here. Joined Feb 2017.
I've done a total of 77 (3 are drafts still) reviews and received 82. I'm aware of owing 4 at the moment (which is why I got on the site just now and what I should be doing).
I post my work. Sometimes I delete something I've worked on for awhile and repost it so that people who read it before can read it again, giving me the benefit of their familiarity with the piece.
Generally, I spend at least an hour per review. I'm always surprised how the time has flown by, except for the ache in my shoulders. Sometimes I just stop because I have my own work to do, though I learn A LOT from doing reviews.

As far as reviewing goes: I would like to see how others develop their pieces following my review, and the reviews of others. I'd like to see the development.
Ideally, I'd like to be on a path with a small group of writers -- some simpatico souls -- and actually follow each other to the completion of our respective pieces. Contact me via personal messaging if you're interested in this. Please look at my work and make sure it appeals to you before you do this.

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You posed your question from the perspective of the reader, but I feel that what interests the writer will interest (at least some) readers. One of the best pieces of advice I've received on writing: If it bores you (the writer) it's going to bore the reader. So that means, if it makes your toes curl, it's got juice. Others (not necessarily everyone) will feel it too.
There are certainly techniques, like building in cliff-hanger endings to each chapter. And I'm into learning all the techniques. I consider them tools in the toolbox, but what matters to me more is: how do I feel about my characters and story/plot?
A lot of what I write is based on personal experience. The first thing I need to do is move the characters away from people I know into people I wish I knew, and move the story line away from what actually happened to me to what might have happened in a different scenario that reveals something important to me. Personally, I don't want to write a memoir, I want to create something new, something I love, something mine. Right now I'm studying how to write so that I can be worthy of writing the stories and characters I've created.

The following is quoted from the Intro to David Corbett's The Art of Character. Coincidentally, I just now typed it out for myself so I could tack it on the wall in front of my work space. I find it inspirational and exciting.

Every story worth telling in some way mirrors our lives, and to that extent explores four key questions:
Who am I?
Where do I come from?
Where am I going?
What does it mean?
Storytelling is an art. It can’t provide scientific certainty and it shouldn’t try. Though there is considerable craft to fiction, it remains rooted far more in searching than in finding, more wedded to the hypothetical ‘what if’ than any conclusive QED.
As long as we’re alive, the question of who we are and how we should live remains open. No one convinces us less than the person who crows, “I have the answer.” And, ironically, this is precisely why fiction provides a more satisfying depiction of human life than any scientific or otherwise theoretical rendering can offer.
This open-ended quality to life also explains why desire is so central to the exploration of character. Human want can inspire the indifferent, betray the foolish, and undo the steadfast. And nothing is more ephemeral (or self-deluded) than satisfaction. … Even a child can intimate an unsettling sense of continuation to the journey in even the most final of endings, the inescapable presence of an implicit “And then …” Or the more ominous “And yet …”
The importance of character to story lies in this open-endedness at the core of our lives. Stories that emphasize ideas or problems … invariably hit rough sailing the further they drift from the shore of character. Ideas too often serve as a digression from the messy stuff of life – ourselves, each other. For some they provide a kind of false salvation. But the core reality of life remains: We die. Ideas, no matter how “eternal,” can’t save us. And because we can only honestly stand on one side of death, we can never know for certain how our lives will turn out, which is why we experience our existence most profoundly in the interrogative mode, situated in a world premised on … the magical “What if?”

Besides deciding whether pre-posted stories can be entered, I have a few other questions about contests in general. The Flash Fiction one was my first.
If you submit an entry before the deadline, can you edit it? I did this (many times) and worried I was disqualifying myself, but it seems to make sense that, if people can review your submissions, you can edit them.
What are the criteria for judging?
Who are the judges?

I also want to add that a 5,000 word story would take me a long time (I'm a perfectionist) so it would have to become my main writing focus which it won't be. I'm gearing up to working on my first full-length short story, and I already know what I want to write about. It's not horror. But that's ok, I'll enjoy reading what you all post. And there will be other contests.
What would be a challenge for me is to post an un-edited first draft.

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Hey Mike, Maybe start a new string with a title indicating that we're looking for the subject matter of the next contest so that people realize what's under discussion. (Is this how it's done? I haven't been around long enough to know.) Karen

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Sherry, I look forward to reading more of your chapters. Last time I looked, I only saw the first one, but today I see a bunch. My computer? My eyes? My brain? Anyway, I enjoy your writing, as you know. Meanwhile, I also had other reviewers to reciprocate with, which I've done as of yesterday, and I'm getting ready to post a couple of short pieces. I'm taking an online writing class which I'd fallen behind with as well, so I haven't been spending as much time here. A lot of juggling to do. Cheers! Karen
PS I consider myself in your network.

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Another contest idea to add to all the good ones above: You Can't Make this Stuff Up - Historical fiction based on something which happened in real life which is as unbelievable as anything you could make up - then make up your own story around it.

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I've become interested in the noire genre. I'd love to write a story about a character who knows he/she shouldn't go down a certain path but they find it irresistible. They are pulled magnetically to places they know they shouldn't go.

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I live with a guilty conscience (instilled by my parents) so of course I think, Marilyn, that you're pointing a finger at me, although you and I have had plenty of pleasant and constructive back and forth reviews.
I'm pretty sure I'm a pain in the ass to some of the people I review. I'm nit-picky and opinionated, but I can say I've never been sarcastic. First of all, I pick pieces to review that resonate with me so, right off the bat, I value them. I also love to get as good as I give. I love detailed, insightful, into the heart of the matter reviews.
When I joined this site last April (or was it February), I'd done very little reviewing so I've had to hone my reviewing skills at the same time as my writing skills. I know I'm guilty of re-writing people's work (the brazen audacity!); although I recognized this and have consciously developed other ways of getting my feedback across. However, my writer's voice/inner editor will out and sometimes I just can't shut them up.
Still, when I've received rewritten passages from others, I've learned from the experience. Some of the rewrites I've liked better than my own writing and kept them wink, some not as well as my own and let them slide. It's so interesting, the process of painting what's in your mind in such a way that another person can receive a reasonable facsimile. I find that, when someone repeats my words back to me in their voice, it's kinda like Active Listening. I learn a lot from hearing how my words come across. I often make adjustments and my work improves as a result.
I agree with Vern that it's up to the author to decide what feedback works for them and which doesn't. Building conviction is part of developing voice.
I'm on this site because I'm serious about my writing. I welcome "into it" reviews. 
And "into it" forum threads like this one. Thank you, Marilyn, for raising an important topic. Cheers! Karen

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Congratulations to the contest winners! Great work, everyone. Great fun.

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What a great way to me to read your story! (Just kidding!) I actually took a quick look and got the impression I'm gonna like it. I'm going back and do an in-line review.
I'm sure no one cares about my writing. Why should they? But I care. I find writing a liberating practice. It also gives me a chance to celebrate my life and the people in it. (As Anne Lamott said, If they didn't want me to write that about them like that, they should have behaved better.) In fact, when things get stressful around me, writing keeps me sane.
If you want to read authors who use lots of commas, try Jane Austen or Henry James. Evidently there's a novel called The Rotter's Club by Jonathan Coe which ends with a 13,955 word sentence. You bet there's a lot of commas there.
If you're uncertain about your grammar, get a copy of William Strunk's The Elements of Style and memorize it (No big deal, it's basically a pamphlet).
Off I go to in-line! Happy writing! Karen
PS If you find your writing amateurish, that means you see room for improvement. Go for it!

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Hearts of Darkness
Lost Redemption
Revenge of the Lost Heart
Heart's Revenge
Love's Revenge
Flaming Hearts
Dying Flames of Revenge
Lost Opportunities
Revengeful Hearts
Hurtful Hearts

If your main character eventually takes the opportunity for redemption, which is what would make me want to read the book, it seems Redemption should be in the title, or even
Second Chances
Redemption vs Revenge
Lost in the Open

Does any of this appeal?

In my own experience, I gave a point to someone who reviewed one of my pieces on Scribophile. They took the time to give me insight into my own writing. The piece really opened up for me. I found new depth. It had nothing to do with "stroking my ego." It had to do with quality communication.

No one else was involved. Just myself and the other writer. I also gave them a review in return as well, but the insight was a stunning gift which I felt deserved more, and I was pleased I was able to give them a point to express my appreciation.

While I learn a lot from reviewing, I feel "underpaid" in terms of points for the amount of time I devote to each piece. And I'm always short of points.
I like the idea of being able to personally reward someone (and be rewarded) for putting out the effort to give a thoughtful and thorough review. That person may be encouraged to give your work another go. Giving extra points would be a personalized way of showing appreciation.

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Ahhh. Thank you. Do you know who the judges are? Do they read 'blind'?