Topic: The Archangel Syndrome

Kill me now. Once upon a time, I used to always capitalize the adjective imperial, such as (the imperial admiral became the Imperial admiral). At the end of the 2nd draft of Galaxy Tales and after a bunch research from many sources, including CMOS and Star Wars novels, I decided capitalizing it was wrong. My book was pretty much the only place I could find it capitalized (outside of proper nouns, of course). So, in the third draft, I switched them all to lowercase, and I thought the matter was settled.

However, Jack, who is currently reading Archangel, felt fairly strongly Imperial should be capitalized. And another online writer once wrote that if a term like imperial galleys refers to galley ships of a specific empire, then Imperial should be capitalized, whereas a reference to the galleys of many empires would be lowercase (imperial galleys), although I don't know if that rule is correct.

Then along came the Enduring Republic of Stars. If I wanted to write a "Republic fleet", Republic should clearly be capitalized since Republic is a proper noun in this case. But, in order to minimize the similarities to Star Wars Republic(s), I decided to use Enduring as the adjective (e.g., Enduring fleet, Enduring worlds, Enduring troops, etc.). Since Enduring is also a proper noun, it should be capitalized as well. That leads to things like this: the Enduring fleet battled the (lowercase) imperial fleet. The latter case comes up a lot.

Thoughts?
Dirk

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Something to factor in, English caps more than the romance languages, which you may be getting advice from.

For example Canadian is lowercase adjective in French (Les hommes canadiens) but definitely adjective caps in English.

3 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-10-19 04:17:49)

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Then there's things like:

Imperial Fleet - the whole Imperial Fleet
imperial fleet - a subset of the Imperial Fleet
Imperial fleet - too similar to each of the other two?

This example drives me nuts, though: the Enduring fleet battled the imperial fleet. And by the way, Enduring Fleet refers to the Republic's whole fleet, whereas Enduring fleet is a subset of the Enduring Fleet, and enduring fleet doesn't make sense here since Enduring is derived from Enduring Republic, a proper noun.

4 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-10-19 04:18:22)

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I was trying to remember if Star Wars used rebel fleet or Rebel fleet. Turns out it's the latter, which makes sense since references to Rebel in Star Wars are short for Rebel Alliance. Based in that I took another look at whether they capitalize Imperial and ... they do, all over Wookieepedia and starwars.com, including the starwars.com database. So now I'm wondering how the hell I got that wrong because I remember researching that quite a bit, and only then did I switch to lowercase imperial. The CMOS style guide still says to use lowercase. Dictionary examples do too.

But, screw it, I might as well follow the Star Wars style since it's closer to what I'm doing. At least that eliminates the inconsistancy between Enduring and imperial.

I'm sure Jack will approve. smile

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I agree with your conclusion since Star Wars is such a dominant story. People would simply be used to that style. It would be easier to segue from SW to Arch Syn.

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It still looks wrong to me on paper. smile

7 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-11-02 07:02:15)

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Since I needed a scarce resource in my story that eventually leads to war over New Bethlehem, I added the mineral atreidite, which functions like a hyperbattery, a type of battery that can release an enormous amount of energy in milliseconds, which is required to power jumps using a stardrive. The quantity of energy and the speed with which it needs to be released rules out simply using a vessel's powertron directly to power a stardrive. The atreidite gets energized from the powertron over a period of many minutes to hours. This has the advantage that military fleets can't simply jump as far as they want in zero time using just a powertron. They usually need multiple jumps, which eventually drains the atreidite's charge, requiring time to recharge. And atreidite can only be recharged so often, which requires the Republic and Imperium to constantly search for more.

Thing is, I had intended to use two kinds of power generators in my ships and flying vehicles. I figured huge ships should have a different power generator than starfighters and Leonardo's taxi, which use fusion. For one thing, the big ships are supposed to implode-explode when a powertron is ruptured in battle. I had therefore envisioned powertrons to be big enough to power warships and big enough to make them an important target in warship-on-warship fighting. The power source in small vehicles can't be that dangerous since the cab gets damaged a lot in Leonardo's chapter, both from enemy fire and his crazy driving. Remember suicidio mode? smile  There are other examples besides the taxi.

A further wrinkle is that interstellar drones have stardrives, meaning they need something powerful enough to charge their atreidite. If I were to say that a fusion generator could charge atreidite, then all spaceships could presumably be fitted with a stardrive since all ships have either a fusion generator or a powertron. I don't want that, though, since I definitely need ships that don't have a stardrive and, therefore, can't jump.

This is making my head spin. One possibility is that anything interstellar has to have a powertron, anything else can use fusion. But if powertrons are small enough to be used by drones, then what prevents warships from using a similary small powertron to power their own stardrives? And the smaller it is, the easier it is to bury deep inside a warship, as far away as possible from the surface of a ship, where it might rupture from enemy fire. Obviously, I don't want to bury it deep within ships since most of my warship battles rely on the powertron to be breachable (or to at least serve as a target).

Another option is to use fusion OR a powertron to charge a stardrive, but if you want to do interstellar jumps with large ships, then you need bigger stardrives than are needed by interstellar drones. The bigger the stardrive, the more atreidite it needs, and the more power it takes to charge the atreidite. So fusion to charge small stardrives and powertron to charge big ones. Obviously big ships also need much more power just to operate.

And, in order to explain why all spaceships don't have stardrives is that atreidite is scarce. So there are small, intrasystem ships with no stardrives (starfighters, shuttles, etc.) and interstellar ships (ranging from drones up to dreadnoughts) with stardrives powered either by fusion (for the small stuff) or by a powertron (for the big ships).

In case you haven't noticed, that's a lot of complexity, which I hate.

Another approach is to continue use atreidite to store power but incorporate the atreidite directly into the vessel's power generation system, rather than just using it inside the stardrive. So, at all times, ships that need a lot of power very quickly, regardless of the purpose (stardrives, heavy cannons, shields, etc.), store some of their power in their atreidite batteries, using them as a reserve power source for when there is an excess demand for power. Non-interstellar ships still won't have atreidite because it's scarce, so they have no reserve power source to handle spikes in power needs such as required to power a stardrive. They simply have to make do with whatever their power generator can put out, and they may have to divert power from one system to another at times (e.g., from weapons to shields, etc.).

I'm going to try using the latter approach. Fortunately, most of the details are within one Galactipedia article. I just have to look at the battles again to be sure nothing breaks.

Wee. What fun. Not.

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Dirk B. wrote:

Since I needed a scarce resource in my story that eventually leads to war over New Bethlehem, I added the mineral atreidite, which functions like a hyperbattery, a type of battery that can release an enormous amount of energy in milliseconds, which is required to power jumps using a stardrive. The quantity of energy and the speed with which it needs to be released rules out simply using a vessel's powertron directly to power a stardrive. The atreidite gets energized from the powertron over a period of many minutes to hours. This has the advantage that military fleets can't simply jump as far as they want in zero time using just a powertron. They usually need multiple jumps, which eventually drains the atreidite's charge, requiring time to recharge. And atreidite can only be recharged so often, which requires the Republic and Imperium to constantly search for more.

I like this description. I would suggest mentioning that minerals have crystalline structure. I remember once Star Trek using the crystal structure of dilithium crystals as part of the plot. Go Scotty! From Wiki: In geology and mineralogy, a mineral or mineral species is, broadly speaking, a solid substance with a fairly well-defined chemical composition and a specific crystal structure that occurs naturally in pure form.

Powertron is a trade name for a battery.

You device more like a capacitor than a battery since you need a rapid discharge.

I'm going to break your post down into bite sized chunks.

9 (edited by George FLC 2023-11-02 14:30:03)

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Dirk B. wrote:

Thing is, I had intended to use two kinds of power generators in my ships and flying vehicles. I figured huge ships should have a different power generator than starfighters and Leonardo's taxi, which use fusion. For one thing, the big ships are supposed to implode-explode when a powertron is ruptured in battle. I had therefore envisioned powertrons to be big enough to power warships and big enough to make them an important target in warship-on-warship fighting. The power source in small vehicles can't be that dangerous since the cab gets damaged a lot in Leonardo's chapter, both from enemy fire and his crazy driving. Remember suicidio mode? smile  There are other examples besides the taxi.

Fusion for spaceships is great.

You mention fusion for cars. Let me get really techno picky on this one. Fusion implies huge temperatures like the sun. You might want to refer to it as Cold Fusion (CF). Or call it Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). Both these concepts are being struggled over internationally. It's not made up. I like LENR, however, you will need to somehow really establish the name. You'll probably have to define it a couple few times. Or call it the LENR Drive or LENRD (pronounced Leonard). I was trying to figure out LENRDO (Leonardo!!) but failed.

If this is too much then fine.

10 (edited by George FLC 2023-11-02 14:43:34)

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Dirk B. wrote:

A further wrinkle is that interstellar drones have stardrives, meaning they need something powerful enough to charge their atreidite. If I were to say that a fusion generator could charge atreidite, then all spaceships could presumably be fitted with a stardrive since all ships have either a fusion generator or a powertron. I don't want that, though, since I definitely need ships that don't have a stardrive and, therefore, can't jump.

My head is beginning to spin a little. I will try explaining what I think might work. This will work if the fusion system drives the entire ship including the powertron which is step up mechanism. There are step down power transformers. Why not have a step-up power system power the powertron which powers the stardrive? (I used 'power' 4x in that sentence!) It takes up so much volume that smaller ships can't have a complete system.

I don't know if this makes sense but in the spirit of brainstorming, I'll post it.

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For K.dot: Awesome music and video. Called "Women Warriors." Safe for work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhE31dF … resatesssa

12 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-11-02 16:20:05)

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Crystalline structure sounds good, but it also sounds too much like dilithium crystals. I don't actually plan to explain anything about atreidite's properties other than to say it can store and release energy as needed. Since I plan (hope?) to move the atreidite out of the stardrive and use it to store and release extra energy for whatever purpose a ship requires, I may no longer need rapid release of energy (tbd). It simply serves to augment the energy provided by the powertron during peak periods of demand such as when a ship goes into battle and needs full shields and fully powered novas and supernovas. The only quirk is that I still need a stardrive to require a delay between jumps for it to work as needed for story purposes. Perhaps it does need to be charged, although at this point, I prefer to use the atreidite as a way to store/release energy to augment available energy for whatever purpose the ship needs extra power. So, either the stardrive needs to be recharged or it needs to cool down between jumps, probably the former.

Based on the descriptions of real powertrons (the name is used for several different products, including backup generator), I'll rename mine to avoid confusion.

Hypercapacitor?

I meant cold fusion or something similar. Regular fusion requires too high a temperature. However, the most important property for my (quasi?)fusion generators is that they produce enough heat that, when coolant runs out (e.g., leaks from a damaged vessel such as a starfighter), the temperature rises sufficiently to cook the human in a starfighter.

I'm going to have to brush up on cold fusion and LENR. LENR drive doesn't make sense, though, since it needs to be a power generator, not a drive. The power generator in small ships/vehicles has to power every system in the ship/vehicle.

Having a power source that powers a powertron adds unnecessary complexity. My powertron is the power generator that probably does not involve fusion, otherwise I could simply call it a fusion reactor. Not sure of the principle behind powertrons, but I don't really care (for now). Whatever it is, it's gotta be big enough to be a useful target on warships for story purposes, and when it blows, it implodes, then explodes, taking the rest of the ship with it. Keep in mind that in two thousand years we'll probably have invented something that goes beyond fusion reactors. Or, maybe it's an advanced fusion reactor. TBD.

Thanks for the feedback.

13 (edited by George FLC 2023-11-02 21:54:32)

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LENR is a power generator, but it's based primarily on Weak Nuclear Force. Fusion is based on Strong Nuclear Force.

Hypercapacitor. A hypercap. But that's been taken. So, get fancy. Hypercapbat or Hyperbatcap can be used but I only did a very limited search.

Because of the abundance of hydrogen you have to use some fusion devices. But, what's beyond that? A possible futuristic system might be a black hole generator. That could explain the implosion and explosion. Fusion reactors generate a very tiny black hole.

A hyper-hole-generator?

Perhaps create 2 black holes that circle each other at incredible speeds. The immense gravity waves are converted into usable energy.

A paired-hyper-hole-generator?

14 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-11-02 23:09:57)

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Why do I have to have fusion devices? The Enterprise uses fusion, I believe, but we're talking about a story that includes teleportation of ships across many light years. Mostly, I did that for fun, so I could refer to teleportation as a hackneyed trope of lazy science fiction writers. Granted, I don't do that too often because the book would then seem too unrealistic, so most of my tech isn't too far "out there", except when I flirt with nonsense. There are plenty of things in Star Trek and Star Wars that are totally unrealistic, but you have to admit, they look cool onscreen. Transporters. Hyperspace. Lightsabers.

Yup, hypercapacitor is used in Warcraft. I'm going back to hyperbattery, although even that is used elsewhere, including in Star Wars, but then what isn't? Everyone knows what a battery is and the fact that they store and release energy. I probably don't even need to explain a hyperbattery, although I'll probably give it a sentence (how it's used, not how it works).

Black holes are virtually impossible to create (even our sun can't do it), so I'd rather not use them in the operation of the tech itself. I don't mind using them as the result of a ruptured powertron, though. If I needed it in the story, I'd gladly use the explosion to create a rift in time or an opening to other universes, etc. After all, who knows what a ruptured powertron might do? Whatever it does, it crushes surrounding matter into singularities, and then explodes outward as a little bang.

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The Enterprise uses fusion? I thought antimatter

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I suppose I should have actuallly read the article. I totally forgot about the warp reactor. Duh.
https://www.quora.com/The-Starship-Ente … y-possible

17 (edited by njc 2023-11-03 04:22:59)

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Look up heterojunctions, strained silicon, strained GAs (gallium arsenide), and quantum dots.  Also angled (rotated) graphene layers.

Oh, heck, look up resublimated thiotimoline.  Maybe you can use it smile .

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Graphene is some scary-level tech compared to the primitive tech of today. Imagine if some clever researcher found a way to bind it to living cells and bridge man to machine! Neuralink perfected right there. Laurie disapproves

19 (edited by njc 2023-11-03 06:20:10)

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"mimetic polycarbon"  ---Wm. Gibson, =Neuromancer=.

https://www.sciencealert.com/revolution … and-nerves

20 (edited by Dirk B. 2023-11-03 07:05:47)

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I only just had a quick look at them all (past my bedtime here). I knew I was in trouble when I had never even heard of some of those terms. smile

Asimov's paper was hilarious. He freaked when the paper was published under his real name, rather than under a pseudonym as he and the publisher had agreed. It started circulating in the chemistry department where he was about to do a thesis defense for his doctorate.

I'll dig some more into your recommended topics this weekend.

How do you see those applying to the story, njc?

Thanks
Dirk

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You want tech with materials.

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That's where filbert flanges and grapple grommets come in. smile

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I told you, that's not a filbert flange, it's a groelder shoulder.  A self-sealing stem bolt will take care of that nicely.

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njc wrote:

Look up heterojunctions, strained silicon, strained GAs (gallium arsenide), and quantum dots.  Also angled (rotated) graphene layers.

Oh, heck, look up resublimated thiotimoline.  Maybe you can use it smile .

I used to work in the GaAs field. Be careful how you spell it. :-)

And then you have aluminum gallium arsenide (AlGaAs) pronounced al-gas

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njc wrote:

I told you, that's not a filbert flange, it's a groelder shoulder.  A self-sealing stem bolt will take care of that nicely.

Potaito. Potahto.