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I don't think I'll use the Mormons, though. Not prominent enough. And Protestants are too diverse (although that would make it easy to create a denomination that veers off course over two thousand years). Since Joseph is (currently) crown prince of his home world and is descended from Queen Elizabeth, I think I prefer the Church of England. I just need to be careful not to piss off the British by modifying their religion before Joseph turns it upside down.

Well, you're doing well if you never say which religion it grew out of. As long as you know and the reader doesn't, it'll show in your writing and there'll be no one who feels singled out.

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Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.

You could always let the Mormons become the Tabernacle of Wales.

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Church of Britannia might be better than Church of England, especially if I introduce a Third Testament (written a few hundred years into the future) addressing why Jesus didn't return after the Great Collapse of Civilization, which had to be the Great Tribulation of Revelation. Surprisingly, the Antichrist was a woman, namely Dr. Ess. Also, I need some way to justify why Jesus didn't return before humans left earth and colonized the stars. The new prophecies will mysteriously foreshadow the events of the book.

I still need to consider how much of Charles's suggestions I can use. It breaks things I had planned for future books, but we'll see.

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Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.

It just occurred to me that Queen Aussie could serve as the 'artifact' in Seabrass's post above. Since Acme, Inc. manufactures everything in the book, and Professor Hinkley is thought to be alive in the future, sending back messages in time to his company, Aussie could include programming from the future. That might be worth dropping my original ending to the series in favor of an AI god.

I would probably drop the whole drag queen bits, though, since they're not working in the story, in my opinion. I especially dislike her in the prologue, in the middle of a desperate battle.

I'll still need to hijack a religion for Aussie's plan to work. That will entail doing something about the irreverent chapters. I would add something to the Church of Britannia, such as a Third Testament to their Bible, addressing why Jesus didn't return yet, and hint that the Church has found some evidence that Jesus was married and may have had children.

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My thanks to everyone for their input. I'm definitely going to go with an AI god. That means I can now tell you that my original plan for the end of the series was two male aliens, the last of their species, playing "chess" with the human race by using advanced technology embedded inside the boys' brains for instantaneous two-way communication to pretend to be all the characters in their heads. They've been playing this game for millennia, steering the course of mankind for their own amusement. Alexander the Great, Emperor Augustus, Hitler, Stalin - they were all under the control of the aliens. I might try to fit that into the Aussie subplot, although I think that's more complexity than I could readily incorporate into the story.

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This keeps getting better and better. If Jesus had kids, as the Church of Britannia believes, then Joseph and Apollo could be His descendants. I could hint at it by suggesting that the Church has been looking for His descendants for almost two millennia, believing that they are the last hope for mankind.

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Another twist. What if the Professor jumped through time and was responsible for the Third Testament of the Church of Britannia? I could use 'Father Hinkley' as the historical prophet who wrote the Third Testament. This makes him the one who has been messing with events throughout time. After writing the Third Testament, he entered a monastery and was never heard from again.

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1,009 (edited by Norm d'Plume 2018-03-10 21:01:08)

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A monk known as Brother Hinkley appeared from out of nowhere in the third millennium and wrote the Third Testament of the Church of Britannia, explaining why Jesus didn't return and speculating (based on controversial historical evidence) that He may have been married and had kids. Hinkley then entered a monastery and was never heard from again. The Church believes that Jesus's descendants may be hidden somewhere in the Julian and St. James royal lines, and will one day reveal themselves. The Third Testament includes prophecies about these descendants that seem to describe Joseph and Apollo, and that describe events that will occur later in the story.

Since the Church of Britannia is British, I need to rename Aussie. It adds too much complexity to keep unrelated details like that straight in the reader's head.

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You should also uncouple this passage from the name Jesus if you can, if you want the widest market potential. Also I lived on the street near Britannia which was not far from the school of Adelaide Hoodless and Queen Mary's school. Just saying that "Britannia" only gets you a half step away from the region you might be trying to escape

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I'm considering Britannia because Joseph's home world is a monarchy that serves as the head of the church on his world, based on and descended from Queen Elizabeth. If I introduce Brother Hinkley and the Third Testament early enough in the story, I think the reader will give me some latitude when Jesus appears to Joseph, apparently fulfilling one of the crackpot prophecies of the Third Testament. Ponder I must.

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'Third Testament' will be too controversial for Anglican readers, which is a surprisingly large Christian denomination. Perhaps a treatise called 'The Prophecies'? It would prophesy the spiritual coming of Saint Michael the Archangel to prepare the way for the Second Coming. Takes God totally out of the book, except perhaps for the appearance to Joseph by Jesus in act III. TBD.

Joseph is currently four when he first hears God. He'll have to know who Saint Michael is instead, which comes primarily from Revelation. He leads God's armies against Satan in a war in heaven, so it's not too unusual that Joseph's parents would have read him that part of Revelation. Star Wars for the religious.

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Maybe Hinkey accidentally transported someone else?

Or someone deliberately slipped in, either for innocent reasons or ro make mischief ... for Hinkey or for history?

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Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.

No, I want The Prophecies to foretell actual events, even though they don't get into specifics, like naming Joseph and Apollo. Also, if I add another character, it will further complicate the story. I already have Hinkley bouncing around time and Queen Aussie running Acme, receiving instructions from the future and communicating with Joseph and Apollo, pretending to be Saint Michael, among others.

In the current draft, a mysterious character named Aussie pops up every few chapters to cause carnage, leaving 'Queen' Aussie (CEO of Acme) to deny any involvement, yet Acme's share price goes up every time there's an attack because governments buy more weapons. Neither Aussie nor Queen Aussie appear physically in the story (until the end), but rather through events told in news broadcasts. The two Aussie's are one and the same, of course. The authorities eventually come to that conclusion and Aussie takes off, assuming the role of robopilot for Caligula, who goes on the run across the galaxy because he was indirectly responsible for the destruction of New Bethlehem.

In theory, all of this should remain in the book, otherwise there's no reason for Aussie to appear, not even in news broadcasts, until the reveal at the end of book three. However, I don't care for how Aussie currently appears in the story. She doesn't really tie into the story. I need a way to use Aussie to give the reader clues that she is the one haunting Joseph and Apollo.

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Does anyone have any ideas as to how to improve the integration of Aussie into the story? My original plan was this: Aussie is Brain in the prologue, renames itself to something else (Michael?), becomes CEO of Acme, secretly receives messages from the future, telling it what tech to build, initiates carnage throughout the galaxy to drive up Acme's share price, and pretends to be Michael the Archangel, among other spirits. That's a lot for one character, especially one that's only ever referred to in news broadcasts.

I think I should drop Aussie/Michael as the CEO of Acme and leave plotting of the book's carnage to the Imperium or to a different unseen character. That would allow Aussie/Michael to focus on being Michael the Archangel et al. I could use conversations with Saint Michael to drop hints that Michael is really a robot. This has the added advantage that the robot doesn't need to flee at the end of book one, since the spirits are around until the end of the trilogy. But the robot should also appear physically in the book, otherwise it only appears as Brain in the prologue and during the final reveal of book three, which isn't enough.

One idea would be to make the robot a news reporter in many of the news epigraphs I sprinkle throughout the story. Currently, I have many different news broadcasters on different planets. That would raise its role in the story.

Thoughts?

Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.

Potentially, Professor Hinkley could secretly continue to run his company, jumping around time to bring futuristic inventions to market. Him running Acme eliminates the need of another character to do so. It simplifies that aspect of the story. He founded Acme, invented time travel, and is believed to be using the latter to keep his monopoly on tech.

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I think your villain needs to have a presence in the book, otherwise, there is no one to fight

(Ex: Darth Vader romping around and being shown in cameos as Luke goes about his business.)

In regards tot the third testament, consider reading the Book of Mormon, which is essentially the same thing. It was written by someone who left unfinished long shafts in buildings that he designed. Somehow, they were just the right dimensions for elevator shafts. There are a lot of parallels in what you want to write.

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I agree this character is a little busy.No easy fix comes to mind tho

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I don't have a single Darth Vader. I have Nero, whose purpose is to drive Apollo and Joseph to finally begin their journeys by way of the first attack on New Bethlehem. At that point in the story, Admiral Lupus takes over until the very end, bombing 20M people on Magellan and then destroying New Bethlehem. Aussie was intended to play a contributing role by arming terrorists/rebels to ratchet up the chaos throughout the story. She wasn't intended to appear until the very end, at which point she's on the run and becomes Caligula's robopilot when he flees for his life. Her 'character' arc isn't working, IMO.

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Here is a thought. The AI character is too powerful. There are no warts visible.Every character needs a weakness, otherwise the story reads like a game-boy fantasy.

A classic example is Batman and Superman. Two people tried to explain their character as 'Batman' (in my story). I threw the book at one and eliminated the other character. (Kha and Conleth) Good characters need flaws. It makes them human. It makes them weak. An AI who stays in the outskirts and just supplies weapons and destruction isn't weak, and revealing them as the villain is unsatisfying because it is a deus ex machina. The AI needs a visible arc into success or failure, rather than appearing in the end and being the answer.

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Removing Aussie as the homicidal CEO of Acme would also tone down the violence in the book, which would be a good thing given my intended audience.

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amy s wrote:

Here is a thought. The AI character is too powerful. There are no warts visible.Every character needs a weakness, otherwise the story reads like a game-boy fantasy.

A classic example is Batman and Superman. Two people tried to explain their character as 'Batman' (in my story). I threw the book at one and eliminated the other character. (Kha and Conleth) Good characters need flaws. It makes them human. It makes them weak. An AI who stays in the outskirts and just supplies weapons and destruction isn't weak, and revealing them as the villain is unsatisfying because it is a deus ex machina. The AI needs a visible arc into success or failure, rather than appearing in the end and being the answer.

Short of making her a roving reporter, I'm currently at a loss for a role for her. If I put her near Joseph (e.g., his assistant) it then begs the question why him and not Apollo.

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Keep in mind that in the next draft the AI will no longer be evil. She is pretending to be Saint Michael the Archangel (my replacement for God) and all of the other ghosts inside Joseph and Apollo. I could just toss her out of the story entirely and go back to a pair of aliens (two males, the last of their kind) who mess with humanity for their own pleasure.

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I've got it. I'm going to make Aussie/Michael a galactic news anchor. After all, she and whoever controls her are trying to change events in her time, so where better to put her than reporting the events of her time. She'll be the one impersonating Saint Michael the Archangel et al and I'll drop hints in her broadcasts that it's her doing so. Rather than involve Hinkley in this unrelated subplot, I have a much better candidate: Dr. Jorge Francis, the religious scholar and historian who lives in the year AD 7329 and regularly researches and writes about Joseph and Apollo and their effect on history. His reports already appear as epigraphs in recent drafts, although I'll probably do more of them in the next pass. Talk about a perfect fit. The last book in the series was always intended to be set in AD 7329, long after Joseph and Apollo are dead.

I can die happily now.

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set in AD 7329, long after Joseph and Apollo are dead.

Reminds me of 2001 Space Odyssey. I think book 3 jumps forward to like 10001AD