Re: The Galaxy Tales - Dirk B.
Cool. Thank you. Much better.
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I'm wondering how detailed to get with armed forces on New Bethlehem. In v2, I had just the Armed Forces and robots providing all forms of guarding and policing. In v3, I've added a separate Royal Guard for the Royal Family comparable to the US Secret Service, and the Regent deployed the Armed Forces to secure the Senate when the Imperium invaded early in the book.
It seems easy to add a separate police force, but then come questions like who guards the Senate, who guards the traitors, who guards the parade, who guards the funeral route, and who deploys into the havens during the second invasion? Robots will be everywhere, but they're always overseen by humans. Most of these could probably be handled by police, although it seems odd (to me) to use a police force to handle the public hanging of the traitors.
Thoughts?
Interesting problem.
"Police" implies justice system. Hanging traitors (instead of allowing them a trial which they will probably get out on technicalities that Andrew never killed anyone) implies autocracy (or widespread corruption in the justice system).
I think your life will be much simpler if you just ignore police and make everything guards and robots.
-K
I do have a court system, but high-profile treason cases are subject to inquisition and potential Senate trials.
K, I'm using caps for titles like Prophet, King, Regent, etc. using your "rule of one".
What would you do with the following: "You will become a Prophet, not a King"? Since it's 'a' Prophet and 'a' King, it's one of many, but the line clearly refers to Joseph's future, not anyone else's. Caps?
What about: "No King, much less a Regent, had ever pardoned a traitor"? Should King be capitalized in this case? In this case, Regent refers specifically to Joseph's mother, even though Joseph's POV is worded as "a" Regent, so I assume caps on the latter.
What about: "New Bethlehem is ruled by kings"? I assume lowercase.
Man do I hate this stuff.
Thanks
Dirk
Ahhh this is cleaner that it first seems. Let us consider The Prophet IRL (Mohammed). Consider a follower of Islam saying:
I studied the life of the Prophet. Now I want to become a prophet
This wouldn't work for "king" for us because the listener would say "wait... which king?". In Rebecca's story it would work for "the Ard Rhi" since there's only ever one of them at a time.
Therefore, rule of one cannot apply to prophet or king. Similarly in your second example "No king (among many) and no regent (among many) has pardonned a traitor." You could get away with "the Regent" when referring to the Joseph's mother (provided in your world, it's as unique as Amy's Voice), but you'd generally get bogged down while generalizing them (As we do IRL when saying "No Pope/pope has ever drank wine" which I would argue is general and should be lowercase, but when "The Pope hasn't drank wine" I think of one specific (living) guy).
Scared yet?
I think caps would work for King where there's clear context (the reader knows we're talking about Joseph), just as the reader would know Regent is Joseph's mother. Otherwise, you get things like: I'm king and my mother was the Regent. That makes it seem like Regent is more important than king.
Based on that, "No king (among many) and much less a regent (among many) has ever pardoned a traitor" should use lowercase for both, since that's the only thing that reads right.
If I understand you correctly, you're definitely saying that "no king (among many)" should be lowercase.
That suggests "You will become a Prophet, not a King" should be "You will become a prophet, not a king." However, that still leaves cases like "You will become a prophet, not the (one) King." So be it.
Let me know if you disagree.
Thanks.
Dirk
Chapters 6 - 8 are up. Ch. 6 is a slightly modified version of the Galactipedia - New Bethlehem article, including a few extra paragraphs at the end to flesh out the society a bit more before we get to ch. 7. Ch. 7 is a redo of v2's "I Will Shake the Universe", which contains the trial of the traitors who attacked Joseph and his parents at the palace. It also includes the unveiling of Joseph's destiny. The biggest change is Joseph's homophobia and its consequences for Andrew. Also, Aussie makes her first reappearance (in the epigraph) since ejecting from Windsor's ship in Ch. 1. Ch. 8 is the Galactipedia - Rise of the Julii article that I had up out of sequence. I think only Seabrass reviewed the original before I took it down. It's essentially unchanged, except for the Further Reading section.
Quick, go read!
Thanks
Dirk
K et al, what do you think about setting up rival viewpoints in the Senate, both for and against execution? It's a pretty bloodthirsty crowd for a Christian world, although conspiring with the Imperium is the worst crime on NB, by far. Should it just be the crowd that's conflicted, or should the Senate vote be split as well? I wrote it so that the division really centered around Andrew. There's less impact without the thunderous applause and cheering, but I don't want this to come off as a planet full of butchers. However, neither are they a world of popes.
Thoughts?
Rival viewpoints in any political setting are a natural part of life, No real life governments are immune to this. Even factions have factions. Conflict and power are very human traits, so using this as a plot device would give GT more authenticity and provided an added layer of drama for the royal family.
GT?
One of the changes I could see making is having the crowd remain largely silent at the hanging (until they realize Andrew is choking). Everybody crossing themselves as the bodies drop, with only a few (or no) cheers? I'm trying to compare this to 9/11, where there was a near universal consensus in the US to go after Bin Laden. The treason/murders on NB is a similar offense, except to the whole world.
Also, you took Cain's speech as a potentially valid point of view for some on the planet, which it wasn't meant to be. I wanted it to come across as BS he's making up to save his own skin, hence the chamber exploding with outrage after he speaks.
Cain sounded sincere, his point of view was naive yet valid. add this to his plea to save his son makes his motives genuine. I enjoy this aspect. politics is such a grey area. villains are greatest when their worldview is tainted with truth.
Having the public react like this is a nice touch, plays on their emotions.
GT Galaxy Tales or is TGT better?
Hmm. At least two reviewers who thought he was being sincere. Definitely needs work.
I've been thinking how the story can convince me he's being insincere, and the early comclusions are not promising...
What if they had him hooked up to a lie detector? I'd think the government was "adjusting" the results to ensure his son was murdered.
family/friend testimony? I'd assume extortion / torture.
I think I need Cain to have asserted the fact before it was life & death for anything to convince me otherwise
I use brain scans as lie detectors, so I can use them if needed.
In v2, he didn't actually speak. I just said he have a rambling speech about the unjust conditions in the havens. I think I need to go back to that while still allowing him to actually talk (show don't tell). The current speech had the advantage of being Christian-oriented, but I'm sure I can do the same with a different speech. The setup for the old speech is already there. Joseph and Moses discussed the conditions in the havens in an earlier chapter, and the Galactipedia article notes that NB has the lowest standard of living in the Realm because of its huge defense expenditures. Also, it's supposed to be an escalating battle between the government and the inhabitants of the havens as the chapters progress, so that's where the focus belongs.
I'm not really involved, but can you have him spout things tgat the reader knows are wrong, or are contradictory? Maybe not give his whole speech, but just the parts that you need the reader to understand?
It's a short speech and I'm tweaking it now. I decided I like it (the offer to go into exile to serve God), but I'm adding some of Joseph's thoughts and shouts from the crowd to show that Cain is full of s***.
How about this:
When it was time for the prisoners to speak, Cain rose on their behalf. “I know that many are angry about the events of last week, and with good reason. But before passing judgment, I ask the Senate to consider our motives. We did what we did not for personal glory but to usher in a new era of power and prestige for our world as the crown jewel of the Imperium.”
“With a felon as governor!” someone snorted.
The chamber erupted with laughter.
Joseph watched Cain closely. Sweat beaded on his upper lip. He’s desperate.
Cain pressed on. “As a member of the Imperium, we could use our influence to turn it away from its pagan gods toward the only true faith — Christianity. Jesus said, ‘Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.’ Fifty billion souls wait to be saved across the galaxy!” With a crafty look in his eye,Cain drew himself up to his full height. “We here offer to leave our beloved world forever so that we may serve our Lord!”
The chamber exploded with outrage.
“Blasphemer!” many yelled.
“Murderer!” others called out.
“Hang them!” several cried.
Joseph shook his head. No contrition. Still, points for creativity.
Is the bold part required? I think that makes it clear he's lying, but I'm not sure if I need to hit the reader over the head with it. After all, I remind the reader he's a felon, a mass murderer, desperate, and "creative".
The 'crafty look' ain't necessary. If Cain were revealed/proven to have received a large payment of monies or promises of prestige from the Imperium, then he's definitely a sell-out/collaborator no matter what comes out his mouth, even if he were 'sincere'. His ploy, genuine or not is tainted with greed, costing the life of his son. If he were honest and accepted his guilt/fate, he might have saved Andrew.
Maybe 'crafty look' is too long and tells the reader too much?
I presume this is in addition to him no longer trying to save an innocent boy... I think this is the kicker.
Example. [J e n n a] lies cheats and steals from her lover in order to get the guns she needs to abduct Inga. Then lies to the child that she's her mother back from the dead in order to comfort her. Reviewers were still willing to give J a passing mark.
It would appear that there's nothing a villain can do wrong when he's rescuing children. I think I'm committing the same reader error when assessing Cain vs. Andrew
I'm not sure I understand your point. Cain still makes an appeal on his son's behalf, but only after failing to save his own skin. If you recall, Cain was not exactly the pinnacle of fatherhood. He freely admitted (in the paragraph that follows the speech above) that he forced Andrew into the attack. He also sent Andrew flying into the study wall because Andrew refused to shoot Joseph. Also called him a useless creamer, which is this world's equivalent to fag or faggot. You still rooting for him? I suppose I could shorten Cain's appeal to save his son. I could let Joseph think about the fact that Andrew refused to shoot him; it would add to Joseph's big fail when he refuses to speak on the kid's behalf. The latter is worth doing regardless, so thanks for the inspiration.
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