Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

amy s wrote:

So what does everybody think about the EU and Britain?

Janet? I'm curious about an Aussie perspective.

Me: Britain's promise to its homebound citizens was to spend the money that was draining out of their country on its own citizens. We'll see if that comes to pass. Greece is sweating bullets right now. Mainland Europe is deciding if they want to bail. What a mess.

The horror of it all is all the google hits wondering what the 'EU' was.  Americans. Sheesh.

I can give you one Aussie perspective, but I haven't really been around to get other personal ones, just what I saw in Aus news outlets. It was practically non-existent in the US news media because Clinton or Trump wasn't involved! And no one at work had any opinions - misses my old colleagues and friends a bit - so at this point it's just what mr C and I are thinking (okay, so make that 2 Aussies!). smile

You guys have re-established my faith in the American people though! *fist bump* Thanks for asking! smile

I would've voted "leave". All the EU did was to introduce another level of governance with positions filled by leeches that someone had to pay from money they don't have. The only real difference the EU made was to open the borders between the EU members despite the varying levels of (in)competence of some of the members to actually control borders and therefore they adjusted the border control of the whole block to the lowest common dominator. And as we all know, open borders is a great idea! [I'm being sarcastic here - I actually support legal immigration which should include humanitarian visas, but not a free for all.]

After the EU did that (open the borders) and got all the trade agreements in place (which isn't even worth the paper it was written on - it replaced in kind agreements for most but I can stand corrected on this one - this is all my opinion), they had nothing to do really. So instead of downsizing, they did what any bureaucrat worth his mettle would do: kept themselves busy by interfering with things where they shouldn't and weren't ask/supposed to (and redistributed even more money that no one had from countries on the brink of collapse to already collapsed countries), and just managed to piss people off in general. So for the last how many years they excelled at that thing bureaucrats do best: nothing worthy or what they were supposed to be doing while being paid to do so and losing touch with the people.

So for a few countries this was just bloody awesome. For the rest, meh, not so much except unwanted interference. I'm not surprised the Brits are first to go - there are a lot of theories flying about in the US media at the moment, which is all good, but to me personally the only one that I think matters is national identity. The Brits have one hell of an identity - mmm, and they kept the pound around instead of using Euros ... That is of course ignoring the outpour of money and the influx of immigrants.

Yep, no one saw this coming. \some more sarc - only if you had your head in the sand or worked for the EU you didn't see this coming.

I think this is the start of the end of the EU. The EU never really had a function to be honest. And despite the market reaction, this is nothing really. These countries existed before the EU, they'll do after the EU too. Worst case, people have to apply for visas to work/live in GB again. *gasps* That's basically the biggest issue. Oh, and they have to find a new PM. If they need advice, Australia can help them real quick with how you get rid of PMs overnight. Also not anything too concerning. (You'll note that I couldn't give two shits where the EU administrators and council members find a new job - then again, their buddies will make sure they're taken good care of).

IMO, Germany will also leave the EU, soon after the UK, although probably not the first.

So in short, I think the British royal family/the queen has more purpose than the EU.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Janet (AJ) Reid wrote:

  (You'll note that I couldn't give two shits where the EU administrators and council members find a new job - then again, their buddies will make sure they're taken good care of). ...
So in short, I think the British royal family/the queen has more purpose than the EU.

I do care what happens to the Eurocrats ... and to whom they happen.  People whose consciences are happy with them in such jobs are capable of great harm.  I do believe they should have a chance at personal redemption, perhaps as day laborers, or as small businessmen under their own laws, or as waitstaff in a place where they must survive on tips--and thus on earned goodwill.

The modern Royals have had power taken from them, to the point where they lack any Practical Wisdom in its use (the current Monarch being the best of them by far).  The Eurocrats were given more and more power over others, and never called to task for the costs they inflicted on others.

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

njc wrote:

I do believe they should have a chance at personal redemption, perhaps as day laborers, or as small businessmen under their own laws, or as waitstaff in a place where they must survive on tips--and thus on earned goodwill.

The modern Royals have had power taken from them, to the point where they lack any Practical Wisdom in its use (the current Monarch being the best of them by far).  The Eurocrats were given more and more power over others, and never called to task for the costs they inflicted on others.

Yes, so much this. Although I think you know exactly what the likelihood is that any of them will ever know/experience what they had brought about.

I'm reading now the referendum isn't necessarily a given and that nothing may yet result. What I'm also seeing is (again) a media that is doing again what it's not supposed to do - bias reporting. My, they found one person who had no clue what the vote was about and now wants to change from 'leave' to 'stay' and all the other millions that voted 'leave' also now want to 'stay' ... And all these people signing petitions to have another referendum so that they can change their vote ALL of course voted 'leave'. I'm wondering if the masses believe this shit. Honestly, I think the media also needs to be hold accountable for what they're doing.

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I fear that the media may have to wait for Hell in the next life.

In Kate Paulk's Vampire Con (as in Convention) series, we learn that the publishers and editors are demons, whose purpose is to use dismal literature to spread despair.  If you don't find the stories blasphemous (a 'slightly tarnished' angel named Ralph has a succubus for a girlfriend) I think you'd appreciate them.  Oh, and Paulk is an Aussie.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

I think the whole situation is a lesson to the US on what happens when people make decisions based on anger. It will be interesting to see what happens (during our election) because of this.


Thanks for the perspective and honesty, Janet. It is good to see a perspective on Brexit that doesn't follow the hue and cry.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

OK, I've got my next chapter up (after three weeks 'vacation' at work).  I'll tell you, going to Orlando and paying the mouse tax…followed by paying the piper for consecutive days off in a row…and working 8/11…the combination is bad for creative thought.

Beer. I need beer. Beer is good for creative thought. Just one. It lubes the gears. And number 2 is for no reason whatsoever, but makes Amy happy. When Amy is happy, then so is everybody else. Even my characters, who I love to mess with.

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Review coming in a couple of hours.

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Dear England: Do better

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I'm baaaaack...

OK, not really, but I have good intentions. Who needs a review?  Oh, look, it's midnight. Eh, I'm going to noodle around and see what I can come up with...

A

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

OK, help here?

I worked for an hour on Norm's chapter, "Caligula'. I saved a draft of the work because my pager went off. I'm trying to continue where I left off, but I can't hit the 'draft' icon and see my comments. I did this before to check and see if the work had saved, but this time the material isn't there.

Ideas? I went to the site instructions and there isn't a place (that I can see) that explains the ins and outs of using the drafting tool. I really don't want to have to repeat the work.

Anybody got the answer?

A

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Go here:

https://www.thenextbigwriter.com/posted … e-comments

You should see your draft there in red lettering

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

amy s wrote:

I worked for an hour on Norm's chapter, "Caligula'.

And an hour of Amy time is a day of mortal time. God help me! ;-)

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Thanks for the help, NJC. Norm's review is in the pipe, 5x5.

A

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I need about 2+1/2 hours more sleep, then I'll reply to your review.  Of course, I disagree sharply with about 1/3 of it!

I've been distracted with old electronic projects and gaps in my circuit theory.  I'll blather if you like.  Summary: the logarithm is your friend.

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Amy, no need for the medical details about decompression. Wiki has good articles about it. I wasted a day on research/writing before deciding it dragged the chapter down.

1,441 (edited by Norm d'Plume 2016-07-17 02:08:28)

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Correction. I do have a medical question. If someone's air supply is completely cut off (albeit slowly), how long is it before the heart stops? And how long can they be in that state (no air, no heartbeat) and still have a chance of being revived?

Thanks
Dirk

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Amy will have the exact numbers, but the survival time is figured IIRC at three to six minutes.  After three, the chance of permanent damage increases.

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IIRC?

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Big clarifier...is the environment pressurized? Running out of air can mean out of oxygen. Then NJC is right, the heart will stop in about five to ten minutes and fibrillate (twitch without effective beats). A heart can be revived after this if it gets oxygen.

The bad thing isn't the heart. It is the brain. Brain tissue can't sustain life for more than 5 to maybe 8 minutes of anoxia. Then there is permeate brain damage. (Think of drownings or strangulation/sleeper holds).

In a depressurization scenario. The material I read implies that the body becomes anoxic quicker because the blood barriers transfer O2 out instead of in.
No one can hold their breath in low pressure because it would rupture the alveoli.

What I would do? Suggest a red shirt sacrifices themself and plugs the hole. Then the body drifts away when the pressure equalizes. That way, the last vent of pressure exits as the rescuers enter. They slap the kids into big baggies and repressurize the cocoon with air. This way, the kids were only completely anoxic for a few seconds.

Make sure the kids have the physical signs of decompression. Ruptured blood vessels, etc.

1,447 (edited by Norm d'Plume 2016-07-17 16:47:08)

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

There is definite pressure loss, since the air (not just oxygen) is leaking out of the ship. I read on Wiki that humans can only survive complete depressurization for about 90 seconds, after which death may be unavoidable.

I have three variables as the air leaks out: time until they become unconscious, time until they die, and time until they can no longer be resuscitated. I'm hoping to keep the three to about ten minutes total. I have complete freedom for the first, which is based on the size of the leak.

I used a seatback to slow the air loss enough to set the three numbers above to 6, 9, and 11 minutes, although I pulled those three figures out of my hat. Since there is potentially significant loss of air until they slow the leak, the first number (time to unconsciousness) can be as short as I want (e.g., 2 minutes), leaving plenty of time for the other two variables.

I don`t want someone using their body to block the opening, since their pain/swelling then becomes the focus of the scene, which makes it unusable.

Finally, I'd like Apollo to be able to walk out unaided, since there are hundreds of his military arrayed on the deck of the flagship, and he doesn't want to be carried out in front of them. He can still show signs of decompression sickness, which can be treated in a hyperbaric chamber after the scene ends.

Given all that, are there any candidate figures for my three variables better than 6, 9, and 11? Perhaps 4, 9, and 11, to allow time for the heart to stop after 5 minutes of unconsciousness (9 - 4)?

Thanks.

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Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Norm d'Plume wrote:

I used a seatback to slow the air loss enough to set the three numbers above to 6, 9, and 11 minutes, although I pulled those three figures out of my hat. Since there is potentially significant loss of air until they slow the leak, the first number (time to unconsciousness) can be as short as I want (e.g., 2 minutes), leaving plenty of time for the other two variables.

It's a good thing your people don't have duct tape.  Eight to ten layers of duct tape could reduce the leak rate ten-thousand fold.  Even a paper sticker might help.

Have you considered that the environmental systems may have an emergency mode?  By carrying far more oxygen than nitrogen, and allowing the partial pressure of nitrogen to drop until it's about equal to the partial pressure of oxygen, you can slow the loss of nitrogen by about two thirds.  (Fire becomes a greater danger.)

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

amy s wrote:

Suggest a red shirt sacrifices themself and plugs the hole.

K's work here is done! smile

Re: Acts/ Dictates/ Mandates/ Mantle - Amy's Thread

Norm d'Plume wrote:

Given all that, are there any candidate figures for my three variables better than 6, 9, and 11? Perhaps 4, 9, and 11, to allow time for the heart to stop after 5 minutes of unconsciousness (9 - 4)?Thanks.

You have a hat, I have an ass. But in all seriousness, the last two numbers, depending if you want to keep this 100% believable or on the edge of believable, will be determined by the human body is my understanding. What I'm not sure about is: have you considered variability? And is there even variability between humans - for example, would a healthy, fit 20yo be able to walk out while a 50yo smoker should've worn a red shirt that day?

Not sure I'm helping, but basically if you want A to walk out of there, the latter two numbers are not that flexible based on what Amy is saying.