Re: WIP Rhiannon the Nude, Vol 2: New Fairy by Rhiannon
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All I can say is that if I was cold and had the ability to turn into a horse, I would do it and find a way to sit on a dragon as a horse. It sounds much more comfortable than being a naked girl in the snow!
If she can't do this, you might want to explain why. eg. dragons and horses aren't friends!
All I can say is that if I was cold and had the ability to turn into a horse, I would do it and find a way to sit on a dragon as a horse. It sounds much more comfortable than being a naked girl in the snow!
If she can't do this, you might want to explain why. eg. dragons and horses aren't friends!
I imply that the Western Tribes don't really cotton to sorcery, so I'll explain it. Dragons may be jealous of horses (they both provide elfins with rides), but no hostility as far as I know (I'll ask Rhiannon the next time she narrates to me.) But maybe Yttrbr mother had a bad experience with one. lol
Hi Rhiannon,
My comment about Lido's identity coming too late, was that you stuck in "Next were not exactly, dignitaries, but notables, were Master William Smythe and his wife." Inbetween.
What you posted as a quickee was much better, but you let the reveal come too soon: Rosalyn grabbed my arm. “What the hell is that?” She pointed to Lido. “Some giant mutant parrot?”
Suggest instead:
Rosalyn grabbed my arm. “What the hell is that? Some giant mutant parrot?”
She pointed to a dignitary that loomed across the whole ceiling, which was barely enough to contain him. I wondered if for now on the privy breakfast would have to be moved to the Great Hall. He was swinging from an adamantine perch. I looked at the emerald bolts that strained against his weight, which I knew to be two tons. They had a strange, greenish glow about them and I noticed Heather was looking at them approvingly.
“Right on. Goblin Ice,” she whispered. {though I don't know what she is referring to- the bolts?}
Lido was nude, for which I was grateful; I still had the shudders from his bathing trunks. His bulk took up the entire ceiling of the dining hall. I wondered what would happen if he were to unfurl his wings—his wingspan was 52 feet, and could easily crack the walls of the room.
“Oh, that is King Lido of the Wyrms, my childhood friend and ally.”
“Childhood friend? Oh, no, he is not joining us in our bedroom like your other childhood friend?” She looked pointedly at Heather. “I draw the line at that. Besides, what if he fell on you? You’d be crushed.”
>>this is a great description of Lido, FYI.
CJ: Took me a moment, but right. Drop the reference to Lido when Rosalyn encounters him. And you did realize that the Goblin Ice was referring to the bolts. What is is, of course, is not exactly clear, and I don't go into it at all until actually a chapter or two later, but I thought it was sufficient to give it a greenish glow, suggest it has goblin origins, and the suspiciously endowed Heather go, "Goblin Ice. Cool." That clues the reader into it being a supernaturally strong element. The 'they' is why you know it was the bolts. Besides, in context, it's to hold Lido's massive weight. His description is based on some of the largest pre-historic animals on Earth. The wingspan is from the biggest flying dinosaur, the tonnage is likewise from terrestrial animals. All this to be consisent with the offworlder's "scientific" explanations for what the heck goes on in New Fairy. That is more dealt with in the first book, but we get enough of it here to see their cultural point of view--the idea that fairy brains have some kind of subspatial property that allows them to interface with "subspace interference patterns" (shamelessly borrowed from Star Trek, although the notion of subspace as an alternative to hyperspace predates Star Trek. Cordwainer Smith and James Schmitz used it to name but two.) The real explanation, as the reader gets clued into, is that yes, this is sorcery, yes, it is supernatural, yes, the laws of nature are trumped here (although in ways constrained by Welsh mythology and my own rules).
And thanks for kudos on Lido's description. I suppose I should backtrack and put it in earlier.
I wonder how many people catch the really oblique and subtle reference to how Catherine the Great died. ::wink::
Until you just said it, (Catherine the Great reference) I didn't, I thought she had a stroke, so I looked up the "myth," and now I can't get the image out of my head.
The question about the "Goblin Ice" was more about having not heard of it before than what it is. Reading through the comment would be stored into my brain until it comes up again. But reviewing so many books at once, I was wondering if I missed something.
I like to dig deep when reading. It's probably why I'm so slow....
Anyway, I liked the description. I think, even if you put it earlier, here it has the benefit of pulling the reader into the room and forcing them to think about size. The size of the dragon, the size of the room, the table with everyone eating. Gives the scene scale.
Yeah, I can't get the Catherine the Great image out of my mind either, but itis probably apocryphal. She did have lovers, which was scandalous in a high born lady, so she attracts the same critics who think Beyonce is slutty (not that there is any comparison other than that). She is one of my inspirations for Rhiannon, although Rhiannon handles some situations better than Catherine did, and isn't as disillusioned when peasants and workers act like, well, peasants and workers. Digging deep is a good way to make your reading both more entertaining and educational for you. (Educational isn't the right word, but as you look for levels, you get more insights.) Makes you a better reviewer too and your comments worth waiting for. One example of that is your point about making the reader think about scale. Important, especially in fantasy, where people want it large scale, and esp. when describing dragons. Dragons are supposed to be big, even if they shoot the curl with atrocious taste in shorts.
Gacela:
We did indeed already meet Red Mane You asked about that. If it wasn't you, then, C.J, we did indeed already meet Red Mane. (Further iterations at you're own descretion.) He was one of the wolfen who were being attacked by the Terran squad when Rhiannon first entered the Bright Forest. He asked her, "Your first kill?"
That was me that asked. I'm sure I would have remembered if I was reading it straight through. Chalk it up to the perils of reviewing multiple novels at a time.
Rachel:
Sometimes I'm afraid I'm being harsh with my observations. If so, please accept my apologies. I never intend to be so. I just raise my hand trying to cooperate.
Kiss,
Gacela
Rachel:
Sometimes I'm afraid I'm being harsh with my observations. If so, please accept my apologies. I never intend to be so. I just raise my hand trying to cooperate.
Kiss,
Gacela
I've never noticed that. You're a fine reviewer. I just don't always agree with what you say, but I noticed even when I don't, I end up making what I consider positive changes, so you make me think.
I thought I'd share my responses to Gacela's latest review of my work:
Gacela: Thanks for your review. I found parts of it very useful. The bit about missing body language was much appreciated. This is both part of the genre and a send-up of it. Think Young Frankenstein, although for the fantasy, not the horror genre. You have both the classic horror movie and a satire on it. Like Gene Hackman's blind hermit scene. Other possible comparisons could be with Fritz Laumer's Retief series, which was a parody of the French diplomatic corps, which he served in.
You may be right about Zusanna. I think Norm also questioned that. I hadn't realized how the peeing scene, at least to those who don't know wolves, would lesson her creepiness.
The sub-theme of Rosalyn and Heather's almost comical competition for Rhiannon is going to stay. There are similar comic relief moments in literature--but I might make the levels a little more traditional in character (such as the fool in Lear).
Indeed, Heather's presence was a bit, shall we say, extraordinary. I think I make a reference to that--Ioseff wants new wife included, and in such a way as to make it seem extraordinary. Rosalyn and Rhiannon go way back. I'll include some more of Rhiannon's reasoning here, but she stays. I forget which reviewer wasn't sure if there was anyone Rhiannon could trust, ,except Lido, and Rhiannon is aware of that problem--she is picking those who she thinks she can trust, more than competence at particular areas. Although written way before recent events in the US, this is how Trump seems to be picking his cabinet (And that was a coup of sorts.)
Anyway, thanks for your candid remarks, it has helped me rethink some things, and you can be sure, now that I'm aware of the "two Rhiannon's," I'll use that contrast in the future--always stressing the "take charge" side.
Rachel:
I'm glad my comments were useful. Sword and sorcery is not my first choice of reading and I haven't read so much of it (I recently read Fritz Leiber's Swords and Deviltry and Swords Against Death because of you, but that doesn't make me an expert on the genre), so, sometimes, I'm afraid I might be advising against the genre standards and cannon.
By the way, Ioseff has a strong point when he asks his wife to be accepted within the privy council: he claims she's the leader of the Witches' Guild, or some confederacy of the sort. So, rather than suggesting her wife's name only because she's somebody who can be trusted, he suggests her because she can be a powerful ally, AND somebody trusted. My point is, I fancy trust cannot be the sole decision-making criteria. I read between your comments' lines that it's important Rosalyn is appointed. My guess is she will contrast Heather who, in the end, will show is not trustworthy as it is evident she has her own agenda.
I also fancy that the peeing thing is because Zusana is marking her territory as wolves, dogs, cats, and other mammalians do. However, the images results too gross. Either you explain she's marking her territory (if that's actually the case) or else the image loses all its punch. Again, those into the genre may be familiar with the fact, in which case there'd be no need to clarify anything assuming 95% of the readers will get the idea--no clarifications are requiered for the 5% left. That said, and even if the fact is well known to the readers familiar to the genre, I'd recommend Zusana to perform some other "gesture". Moreover in conjunction with her afterwards comments about visiting the loo to defecate. The combination of both is either totally goofy--belittling Zusana's character--or absolutely gross belittling Rhiannon's character and even the council itself.
Okay, the thoughts of somebody who has read little within the genre, so I might be absolutely wrong. Like tequila, drink my comments with a grain of salt.
Kiss,
Gacela
Gacela: In the revised chapter, I do explain that Zusanna is marking her territory. This would probably be clear, but as there is an overlap (only) between horror and fantasy, it's hard to tell. Anyway, it allowed me to voice your concern that Rhiannon was acting like a puppet to her lovers through Zusanna's voice, as Rhiannon suggests a quite literal pissing contest. It' not mentioned what bodily function Zusanna does outside the castle walls.
Ioseff now does say he has a strong point, and Heather's inclusion in the Council hints at her dark agenda. There's an Eisenhowerian moment where Lido suggests a vote, Heather counts it. Zusanna and Ioseff against Rosalyn's inclusion; Lido for it. Heather, oddly, doesn't vote. So the vote is 2 nays; 1 aye--Rhiannon wryly announces the 'ayes' have it--as she is one of the ayes. Exactly what Eisenhower did when his entire cabinet was against a proposed course of action, but he favored it.
All in all, there's more tension and subtlety because of your comments, even if I didn't go entirely with what you suggested.
Adde a section in the chapter "Queen Branwen," inspired by Suin's review. It shows how R & B first met, a little about their relationship, and shows R's relationship with her father. We see more of his pre-madness state. No points, as it is officially a re-edit, but if you have already read the chapter, would appreciate a re-read; if you haven't yet, I'd appreciate comments on that flashback section (set off by "***"). Thanks in advance.
I loved that extra section - I had the feeling that the interactions between Rhiannon and her father really brought both of their characters to life, and the same with Queen Branwen. There was something so warm and and genuine in the dialogue, but I can't put my finger on it. Definitely keep this section in!
John just did a very helpful review of my chapter, in "The Princess and the Offworlder" entitled "I Am Going Home." He wanted more bird attack action. This leads me to a request--I have battle scenes in "Cursed to Nakedness," as well. Appreciate any help on them. What needs to be done, strategically, or in terms of gore. Thanks in advance.
I loved that extra section - I had the feeling that the interactions between Rhiannon and her father really brought both of their characters to life, and the same with Queen Branwen. There was something so warm and and genuine in the dialogue, but I can't put my finger on it. Definitely keep this section in!
Suin: Glad you liked the scene with Rhiannon and her father, where she meets Branwen. It's actually inspired me to include more of Heveydd in the story.
Gosh. I just realized I'm writing a trilogy. I've always wanted to write a trilogy, but never thought it would happen. You're witnessing the birth of a trilogy. It started with the re-booting of the original Rhiannon series, which like classic re-boots (Superman, Smallville, etc. Superman was the first of this kind), rearranged and re-vamped familiar iconography from the original series And it was funny how that happened. I was writing the story from Jeb's perspective (poor guy needs a novel of his own, but haven't been successful yet. Any ideas?), needed some backstory--200 pages later, I realized the backstory was the story.) So "The Fairy Princess: Cursed to Nakedness was born. It is now over 500 pages long, and in two parts. The parts could be separate novels, but they are unified by the quest-plot. In this regard, I cite Suin's comments as helping me with an end. My endings tend to suck--I guess I dont want the story to end. But in asking me to go into Rhi's relationship with Branwen, I ended up going into her relationship with her father, with her reminescence about Branwen as an gangplank to that. Heveydd is now a major minor character, and not just an object of comic relief (original series) or pity (Re-boot). A scene with her father made for a logical conclusion to CtN. So thank you, Suin! *Everyone* (too lazy to make italics) thought the story started in the middle--as is fine, as you are supposed to start stories in the middle. I read one example in a "How to Write Good" book where a man wakes up to find his wife is a robot. The instructor said, "fine, now write the backstory--that's the real story." So you guys inspired me to write "The Fairy Princess and the Offworlder." (The term offworlder is original with me; they now use it on Supergirl to describe the alien population as the Earth is the galaxy's refugee camp, but I can prove I was using it years before the series ) Again, a not so great ending, although the last scene dovetails with a scene in CtN--in fact, is the same scene from Rhiannon's POV. And some of you have been wondering about the witch that cursed Rhiannon to nakedness Some have even suggested it's Heather. That has inspired a sequel, the first draft of which was put together yesterday. Even though not posted, Suin's inspiration on Rhiannon & Branwen made me have to revise the whole ending, and in doing so, I realized I did a fine job of writing a mystery--for I had forgotten 'Whodunnit' and was surprised my self. Although all the clues were there, the misdirection led me, the first reader of my own stuff, down a different avenue. Although ready for review and posting, I won't do so until at least one of you has reached the end of CtN, as it would be a big spoiler to one of the subplots to read it. Again, thanks for all your help. A trilogy? Wow. And I owe it to you guys. You're the best!
Norm just gave me a nice suggestion, having to do with a battle fought by the Prussian King. Boiled down to a one on one scene. This is the kind of help I need in the section of my novel on battles. I have an MA in history, but never paid much attention to the "kings and battles" aspect, and anyway, don't want to have a military history ala Keegan and others. I want to be more like John Reed in Reds, bringing the battles and struggle to an individual level. Thanks, Norm, and thanks in advance to all of you helping me with the battles scene.
In terms of explaining how a battle works, and the different activities each person takes care of, as well as how each character perceives the battle itself, I'd suggest you to check Ivanhoe's narration of the siege of the Castle of Torquilstone.
Kiss,
Gacela
Thanks, Gacela. About what page is that in Ivanhoe?
The page depends on the edition, but check around chapter XXVIII. Those chapters narrate the battle.
Thanks, Gacela. Three chapters? That shows me already that it would be helpful. "Fasten your seatbelts; we're in for a bumpy ride." lol
It it three chapters narrating the battle? I can't recall how many. I checked in my book (Walter Scot Complete Works) and found chapter XXVIII talked about the battle, but I didn't check how many chapters the battle spans.
Kiss,
Gacela
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